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ASAPI posted:That launch is going to be interesting to watch. Part of me always wants it to blow up (you know, explosions are cool), but I also want it to work. They hooked up 29 engines in like a day. Two at the outside. I think it's almost guaranteed to blow up!
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Kesper North posted:They hooked up 29 engines in like a day. Two at the outside. I think it's almost guaranteed to blow up! Right??? If this thing works as designed, I will be amazed.
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Aug 6, 2021 22:34
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On the one hand, gently caress Musk. On the other hand, he doesn’t have much to do with SpaceX. On the third hand, explosions are cool.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:00
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FrozenVent posted:On the one hand, gently caress Musk. 
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Aug 7, 2021 00:05
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It’s the best chance we’ve got at ejecting him from this planet
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Aug 7, 2021 00:06
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Kesper North posted:They hooked up 29 engines in like a day. Two at the outside. I think it's almost guaranteed to blow up! Said business end of the super heavy booster. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1423041198764265473?s=21 (Yeah it’s Musk’s Twitter. It was retweeted by the SpaceX account) Size comparisons:  It’ll be the biggest thing ever launched if it works. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Aug 7, 2021 00:27
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Thwomp posted:Said business end of the super heavy booster. Man, what does that remind me of? Oh yeah, N1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gklVhRzkVqA
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Aug 7, 2021 00:35
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So it's bigger and worse than something we made 50 years ago. Yeah, this dude is truly the da Vinci of our time.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:35
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Kesper North posted:They hooked up 29 engines in like a day. Two at the outside. I think it's almost guaranteed to blow up! Yeah, they've either developed an engine design and installation process that's literally orders of magnitude faster than anything done previously, or they skipped every possible check and verification that you would normally do and something's absolutely going to blow up.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:40
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A Bad Poster posted:So it's bigger and worse than something we made 50 years ago. I hate Musk as the next lefty, but it's not really apples to apples- the Saturn 5 wasn't reusable.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:41
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gently caress musk but SpaceX has done some poo poo that was legit science fiction a decade ago. A totally reusable stack and LANDING it has pushed the other booster makers who were coasting on 60s ICBM tech.
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Arven posted:I hate Musk as the next lefty, but it's not really apples to apples- the Saturn 5 wasn't reusable. Oh yeah, I forgot about that part of it. If only it was actually owned by the people paying for it.
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Aug 7, 2021 00:53
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Man, what does that remind me of? Just to note, aside from sharing a design featuring many engines in the first stage, the N1 was a very different (and extremely flawed) vehicle. I believe it would’ve worked fine had the soviets better quality engines and plumbing. Not to say SpaceX does, we’ll see when they try to light it. But Super Heavy does have a “simpler” system. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Aug 7, 2021 01:10
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Welp, looks like the Rogan has some concerns that he'd like to propagate to his dudebro audience https://twitter.com/feraljokes/status/1423759979148873731?s=19
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Aug 7, 2021 01:39
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So uh, am I late to the party reading about the (at the time) acting SecDef's instructions to the NG about 1/6? EDIT: 
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Thwomp posted:Just to note, aside from sharing a design featuring many engines in the first stage, the N1 was a very different (and extremely flawed) vehicle. Super Heavy also has the advantage of being in a full on Kerbal-style prototyping process. They are totally fine with blowing up prototypes until the bugs are worked out. This is mostly possible because the thing is just a giant stainless-steel water tower with some fancy piping. If it was made out of any other more expensive material they'd be stuck in the labs trying to simulate everything for decades like every other rocket company before now. Musk is freaking weird but there's an army of extremely talented people working for him at all his companies. It's an awkward thing of not wanting to give credit to the narcissistic super-billionaire, but all this work would not have happened if he had not dumped billions into what would otherwise be a crack dream.
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Elon Musk is totally uninvolved with space x apart from as a name. Source is goons in adjacent industries in yospos and the space thread. Also Elon Musk is a marketing genius but he is in no way an engineer or software developer of any significant talent. But God drat does he do words good infront of execs and VC/PE firms. Tesla is bad, starlink is loving idiotic and I use mr.musk as an eyeball on someone's ability to know when they're being bullshitted. If you wanna go for a ride go read the Musk threads in dnd and yospos E: his engineers can be the best in the world but the underpinning technology are outdated dead ends. Tesla batteries, their self driving lidar solution (lmao no object permanence) and starling as a concept itself is loving stupid as hell when any critical eye is cast over the use case and potential market.
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:So uh, am I late to the party reading about the (at the time) acting SecDef's instructions to the NG about 1/6?  JFC.
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Why is that surprising? Honestly asking as a civilian.
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That Works posted:Why is that surprising? Honestly asking as a civilian. It's basically giving them orders to look but not touch no matter what happened, and to make sure they followed orders they wouldn't allow them to have anything to protect themselves. Pretty much they knew something was probably going to happen, and whatever it was going to be they didn't want images of soldiers trying to stop it to be in the news.
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That Works posted:Why is that surprising? Honestly asking as a civilian. Because in context of the threat intelligence the FBI, DHS and other agencies had at the time, everyone knew poo poo was likely going to go down and the acting SecDef hamstrung the DCNG’s ability to respond to it.
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You can also put a less sinister spin on it, and realize they that they were (and should have been ) terrified of the optics of the US military aggressively putting down a riot in the nation's capital.
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A Bad Poster posted:It's basically giving them orders to look but not touch no matter what happened, and to make sure they followed orders they wouldn't allow them to have anything to protect themselves. One would think soldiers exist, in part, to put down traitors and rebellions.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Because in context of the threat intelligence the FBI, DHS and other agencies had at the time, everyone knew poo poo was likely going to go down and the acting SecDef hamstrung the DCNG’s ability to respond to it. Do you have specifics of what they knew?
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GD_American posted:You can also put a less sinister spin on it, and realize they that they were (and should have been ) terrified of the optics of the US military aggressively putting down a riot in the nation's capital. Alternatively, the least sinister thing would be no one wanted to get Trump all mad that someone called the cops on “his people”.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Welp, looks like the Rogan has some concerns that he'd like to propagate to his dudebro audience Well... at least he waited five months to say that kinda bullshit, the fighters I know have already gotten vaccinated, but they worship rogan like some sorta messiah.
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GD_American posted:You can also put a less sinister spin on it, and realize they that they were (and should have been ) terrified of the optics of the US military aggressively putting down a riot in the nation's capital. There are plenty of police in DC before you'd need NG as a last resort. I don't blame them at all for putting this out due to posse comitatus and the optics of the response to BLM in the summer.
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A Bad Poster posted:So it's bigger and worse than something we made 50 years ago.
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AFStealth posted:Worse how? Shut up dude. Space X is doing a lot of cool poo poo. I think they were referring to the BBC graphic above that claims the smaller Saturn V carries 18k kg more
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US Berder Patrol posted:I think they were referring to the BBC graphic above that claims the smaller Saturn V carries 18k kg more The thing not noted about that is that the Starship (god I hate that name -- it's not an interstellar vessel, so it's not a fuckin' starship) has a design payload of about 100,000 kg to LEO, GEO, trans-lunar injection, and eventually trans-Mars injection. Saturn V's TLI payload capacity was 40,000 kg by comparison. Whether or not this ends up being the actual case, we'll have to see, but in theory it's specced to be able to move 100 tonnes wherever you need it and still have enough propellant/oxidizer/other necessary wet mass to bring it back to Earth in one piece, not just to LEO and throwing away 90% of the dry mass in the process.
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I am legit not sure which would be more damaging to the American democracy: a dead senator/representative or a threatened Soldier correctly or perceiving opportunity, capability, and intent and then opening fire into a crowd.
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Kazinsal posted:payload Thanks for this explanation!
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Platystemon posted:This is relevant to today’s discourse, believe it or not. Holy pro click Batman. That thread just got better and better. Thanks for sharing.
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I will say that if any of you ever find yourself in our going through Huntsville, Alabama, BY ALL MEANS take at least two hours to stop and see the Marshall Flight Center. Walking under a suspended, dissected Saturn V is breathtaking. And if you have any kind of mechanical bent, the exhibits showing some of the engineering, numbers and just pure goddamned brute motherfucking force on that thing are amazing. It was burning tons of fuel per second; they had to design a whole new kind of pump that could run at 18,000 rpm to get enough fuel out, and be able to handle freezing, corrosive rocket fuel. Even the swash plates in the booster tunnels had a neat story behind them. It's truly a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
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GD_American posted:I will say that if any of you ever find yourself in our going through Huntsville, Alabama, BY ALL MEANS take at least two hours to stop and see the Marshall Flight Center. Walking under a suspended, dissected Saturn V is breathtaking. And if you have any kind of mechanical bent, the exhibits showing some of the engineering, numbers and just pure goddamned brute motherfucking force on that thing are amazing. It was burning tons of fuel per second; they had to design a whole new kind of pump that could run at 18,000 rpm to get enough fuel out, and be able to handle freezing, corrosive rocket fuel. Even the swash plates in the booster tunnels had a neat story behind them. gently caress. Going on my list. If I ever make it there
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GD_American posted:I will say that if any of you ever find yourself in our going through Huntsville, Alabama, BY ALL MEANS take at least two hours to stop and see the Marshall Flight Center. Walking under a suspended, dissected Saturn V is breathtaking. And if you have any kind of mechanical bent, the exhibits showing some of the engineering, numbers and just pure goddamned brute motherfucking force on that thing are amazing. It was burning tons of fuel per second; they had to design a whole new kind of pump that could run at 18,000 rpm to get enough fuel out, and be able to handle freezing, corrosive rocket fuel. Even the swash plates in the booster tunnels had a neat story behind them. It rules. One of my friends got married under the main engines of the first stage several years ago.
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piL posted:I am legit not sure which would be more damaging to the American democracy: a dead senator/representative or a threatened Soldier correctly or perceiving opportunity, capability, and intent and then opening fire into a crowd. Well not a soldier, but a cop did open fire and kill a trespasser. That didn't seem to break GOP brains anymore than usual, which tells me that a dead rep probably would've hit a lot harder. That is of course if we keep this apples to apples, 1 soldier killing 1 rioter. If 1 soldier deemed a line of trespassers all a threat (which they were) and mows a bunch of them down, that would probably be a lot worse yeah.
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Waroduce posted:E: his engineers can be the best in the world but the underpinning technology are outdated dead ends. Tesla batteries, their self driving lidar solution (lmao no object permanence) and starling as a concept itself is loving stupid as hell when any critical eye is cast over the use case and potential market. Tesla doesn’t use LIDAR, their tech is entirely visual based. I know what you’re about to say, but it’s the Bitcoin effect - I must be explaining it wrong! Also having the world’s greatest engineers is useless if you fire them off the production line for disagreeing with you.
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piL posted:I am legit not sure which would be more damaging to the American democracy: a dead senator/representative or a threatened Soldier correctly or perceiving opportunity, capability, and intent and then opening fire into a crowd. Depends on which senator
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I warned you about stairs bro https://www.wptv.com/lifestyle/taste-and-see/vocal-anti-vaccine-broadcaster-dies-from-covid-19-complications
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