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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Real communism hasn't been tried' energy here. It’s not any more ridiculous of a statement than a blanket claim of “reform doesn’t work” in response to an article that states most police departments don’t even have body cameras….
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Epic High Five posted:This discussion was moved to the MeToo thread where it is more appropriate and seems to have been resolved, fyi. It wasn't resolved. Men just decided once again that it's okay to not believe women when it's someone they like in trouble.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:26
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Kalit posted:It’s not any more ridiculous of a statement than a blanket claim of “reform doesn’t work” in response to an article that states most police departments don’t even have body cameras…. Part of reform would be putting in the actual legwork to start reform. The fact that police departments refuse to even put in that token bit of effort points towards the notion that reform doesn't work, because they don't want to reform anything in the first place.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:32
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Kalit posted:It’s not any more ridiculous of a statement than a blanket claim of “reform doesn’t work” in response to an article that states most police departments don’t even have body cameras…. The past several decades have proven that "reform" and "do absolutely nothing" are synonymous. Reform doesn't work.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:38
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the_steve posted:Part of reform would be putting in the actual legwork to start reform. The fact that police departments refuse to even put in that token bit of effort points towards the notion that reform doesn't work, because they don't want to reform anything in the first place. This is a ridiculous statement. Do you honestly think that reform requires approval from the thing being reformed??
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Aug 7, 2021 18:38
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So more than 25% of people shot by cops didn't have a gun or knife. I doubt they all had halberds and war maces. Just straight up murdered.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:39
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Kalit posted:This is a ridiculous statement. Do you honestly think that reform requires approval from the thing being reformed?? In this context? Yes. The cops and cop defenders keep wanting to say "Not all cops" and "Just a few bad apples" all the goddamn time, so there absolutely should be internal support for cutting out those bad parts instead of doubling down.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:47
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the_steve posted:The House and Senate could be 100% blue, with not a single Republican or Independent in sight, and they'd still find an excuse to not pass anything good. Gotta love that "nothing matters", A+  setting an example here.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:51
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Aug 7, 2021 18:56
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Mantis42 posted:Too bad no one tried primarying him. Good times! Strange times. But the Scarane Campaign was definitely something.
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Aug 7, 2021 18:59
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Tuxedo Gin posted:So more than 25% of people shot by cops didn't have a gun or knife. I doubt they all had halberds and war maces. Just straight up murdered.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:01
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Grooglon posted:It wasn't resolved. Men just decided once again that it's okay to not believe women when it's someone they like in trouble. There's a designated thread in D&D for discussing how our current president pinched the nipple of an eight-year-old girl at a Senate swearing-in ceremony, or how he pressed a woman up against a wall and forcibly inserted his fingers into her vagina. If you want to believe women, you should probably go do it in the containment zone.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:01
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'nothing matters' should be a bannable phrase at this point. It's a vile thought-ending cliche used against anyone who dares question their betters.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:02
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I know a lot of people dismiss the idea that more Democratic Senators would help, but that rejects the possibility that some Senators are, in fact, better than others, and that it's conceivably possible (if unlikely, because it's such an insanely undemocratic institution) that you could have a majority of "actually good" Senators. The Senate sucks, and we just have to hope that the GOP Akin themselves out of a half dozen seats in '22 and '24 somehow. Like, the problem in the Senate isn't very well phrased as "Democrats won't do good things," it's "a majority of Senators won't do good things." Saying "well, some of those Senators are Democrats, so gently caress Democrats" isn't a bold rejection of party labels, it's a type of blindness caused by party labels. I'm very confident that Bernie Sanders and Ed Markey and Chris Murphy and Ron Wyden and dozens of other Democratic Senators would abolish the filibuster. We're just stuck with an extremely entrenched two party system where those guys end up being in the same party as Manchin and Coons and Tester and Warner, et al, and it's annoying that leadership is letting many shitheads obstruct without going on the record, because they know it would be a liability in a primary race but, well... it's a small club, innit. Activists have to make the case to their state's electorate that these Senators are obstructionists, because Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin aren't going to do it for them. And we need to fight for progressive Senators in places like NC and Florida, which is an uphill battle but by no means impossible.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:12
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'nothing matters' should be a bannable phrase at this point. It's a vile thought-ending cliche used against anyone who dares question their betters. the_steve posted:The House and Senate could be 100% blue, with not a single Republican or Independent in sight, and they'd still find an excuse to not pass anything good. I guess people should expound on it, to be more precise. You have to include the suffix. "Nothing matters [except for the glorious revolution, where the anti-electoralists of D&D ride into battle with Ted Rall and install a socialist Republic, just as soon as we finish this sandwich.]" You know, it's like adding the "-ic" to "Democratic Party," it's just respectful.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:19
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Eletriarnation posted:Gotta love that "nothing matters", A+ I'm not sure if you actually understand that politics is a worthless cesspool that will never accomplish anything good and Democrats and Republicans are similar enough in their apathy and disdain that it's actually very hard to distinguish red from blue. They're effectively identical colors really, and furthermore... Ghost Leviathan posted:'nothing matters' should be a bannable phrase at this point. It's a vile thought-ending cliche used against anyone who dares question their betters. Oh wait, I'm wrong, it's actually this. Nevermind. And I can't even ignore the "nothing matters" person in question, which is unfortunate. (Sure, give me a sixer if you like, I don't give a poo poo.)
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Aug 7, 2021 19:19
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Mellow Seas posted:I know a lot of people dismiss the idea that more Democratic Senators would help, but that rejects the possibility that some Senators are, in fact, better than others, and that it's conceivably possible (if unlikely, because it's such an insanely undemocratic institution) that you could have a majority of "actually good" Senators. The Senate sucks, and we just have to hope that the GOP Akin themselves out of a half dozen seats in '22 and '24 somehow. Is there even a single democratic senator willing to call out biden for pinching young children's nipples? I don't care how "good" you say some senators are, literally none of them are good enough.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'nothing matters' should be a bannable phrase at this point. It's a vile thought-ending cliche used against anyone who dares question their betters. I'm sorry, "we'd accomplish nothing even if we won every single seat in the election  " is not a thought-ending cliche? Effort is met with effort.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:21
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Mischievous Mink posted:Is there even a single democratic senator willing to call out biden for pinching young children's nipples? I don't care how "good" you say some senators are, literally none of them are good enough. I guess we can use our big imaginations and consider the word "good" to mean "capable of passing public policy that helps people" rather than "perfect moral paragons who do not ever make immoral decisions out of political convenience."
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Aug 7, 2021 19:22
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1423716534116134913?s=21 Feels like we’re teaching a generation of voters what does and doesn’t actually matter, and somehow all the fuss over this guy doesn’t matter anymore?
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Aug 7, 2021 19:23
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess we can use our big imaginations and consider the word "good" to mean "capable of passing public policy that helps people" rather than "perfect moral paragons who do not ever make immoral decisions out of political convenience." I don't think you need to be a "perfect moral paragon" to call out groping a child.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:24
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B B posted:I don't think you need to be a "perfect moral paragon" to call out groping a child. Yeah, and I don't think it takes any imagination to think of a better word to describe such people than "good". I'd call them, uh... bad. Really loving bad.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:26
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B B posted:I don't think you need to be a "perfect moral paragon" to call out groping a child. I don't get to decide what people do and don't give a poo poo about. Almost everybody who doesn't already hate Biden for ideological reasons is letting it slide. I can't change that.
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess we can use our big imaginations and consider the word "good" to mean "capable of passing public policy that helps people" rather than "perfect moral paragons who do not ever make immoral decisions out of political convenience." "Not molesting children" is not what I would call a perfect paragon of humanity who has never done anything wrong, I think it would align more as "the baseline for being considered human at all"
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Aug 7, 2021 19:27
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Mischievous Mink posted:Is there even a single democratic senator willing to call out biden for pinching young children's nipples? I don't care how "good" you say some senators are, literally none of them are good enough. How about a single Democrat in Congress? I don't mean to bang this drum, I know there's a thread to talk about this in more detail here, but the amount of time and effort dedicated to sexually inappropriate behavior (whether that be excusing it or perpetuating it) is horrifying. It's upsetting to know that it's one of those things that's happening that even the bravest among them feel as if the risks of calling it out outweigh the rewards.
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the_steve posted:In this context? Yes. So...because there are some people who say "we need reform" and also say "not all cops"/"just a few bad apples", you think that reform, in this case, does require approval from the police departments  I'm not following your logic at all.Also, so we have a baseline, what's your definition of reform?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'nothing matters' should be a bannable phrase at this point. It's a vile thought-ending cliche used against anyone who dares question their betters. It's very hard to not fall into the nothing matters pit when, in fact, after four years of Trump, two impeachments, an attempted coup, and handing the House, Senate, and Presidency to the democrats, that we still aren't allowed to have nice things because the people that told us to vote for them so we could have nice things are having big press appearances standing side by side with the Republicans and denying us from having nice things. How many times do we need to vote for people who promise us nice things are just around the corner before realizing the Dems and Republicans work for the same donor interests and do not actually give a poo poo about us HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Aug 7, 2021 19:36
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The problem is we really don't have time to get through the number of rotating villains they have and that will get elected in the futureSlow News Day posted:poo poo is much more hosed than we thought.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:40
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Harold Fjord posted:The problem is we really don't have time to get through the number of rotating villains they have and that will get elected in the future So, what then? Am I allowed to ask "what then"? Say what you want about hoping it all works out through electoral politics, at least it's a plan, if a terrible one that's not all that likely to succeed.
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the_steve posted:The House and Senate could be 100% blue, with not a single Republican or Independent in sight, and they'd still find an excuse to not pass anything good. you're an ik, please act vaguely like one
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Dammerung posted:How about a single Democrat in Congress? I don't mean to bang this drum, I know there's a thread to talk about this in more detail here, but the amount of time and effort dedicated to sexually inappropriate behavior (whether that be excusing it or perpetuating it) is horrifying. It's upsetting to know that it's one of those things that's happening that even the bravest among them feel as if the risks of calling it out outweigh the rewards. They're probably not calling it out because they don't believe it happened. Like with Tara Reade. Its not that most people believe her and are afraid to call it out, its just that they don't believe her to begin with.
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Aug 7, 2021 19:52
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Mellow Seas posted:So, what then? Do you mean "what then" if we continue down this particular path? In that case I believe climate change gets a lot worse and eventually leads to some really bad things. If you mean "what then" in terms of "what should we do" then I don't really know I'm afraid. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 7, 2021 |
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Aug 7, 2021 19:58
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Josef bugman posted:If you mean "what then" in terms of "what should we do" then I don't really know I'm afraid. We're all afraid. People can look at supporting Democrats (which is actually more "opposing Republicans, to the benefit of Democrats") as a Pascal's Wager type deal if it makes them feel better. e: I'm heading to my nephew's eighth birthday party. It's terrifying to imagine what the world will be like in 2050, when he's my age.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:08
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Kalit posted:This is a ridiculous statement. Do you honestly think that reform requires approval from the thing being reformed?? on body cams, and why we can't pay for them out of existing police budgets, and why police budgets can only go up never down: Kalit posted:As I stated above, at least in Minneapolis, it's not as easy as "shifting money around" to fund a new program within the police department: Kalit posted:I was talking about shifting money around within a department when approvals are needed, if there's enough buy in from the department itself. Kalit posted:Mandating money be moved from one area to another area of a department would likely cause internal resistance, especially from the police if it means more oversight.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:11
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Mischievous Mink posted:Is there even a single democratic senator willing to call out biden for pinching young children's nipples? I don't care how "good" you say some senators are, literally none of them are good enough. I don’t think we can act like that’s what happened when the main source thus far is Gateway pundit. Until it’s backed up, save your outrage for things that are probably not right-wing lying.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:19
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Sarcastr0 posted:I don’t think we can act like that’s what happened when the main source thus far is Gateway pundit. Oh is this story seriously coming from Gateway Pundit? Good grief.
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Aug 7, 2021 20:22
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VitalSigns posted:Hm yes who would ever argue something ridiculous like that Please show me where I stated that these things are impossible without approval from within a police department and how that means that overall reform is not possible Stop making up things that I didn't say.Also  at you digging up my posts in another thread for this reason
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Aug 7, 2021 20:28
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The “main source” was her tiktok and also there’s video of him loving doing it that’s been circulating for years I am given to understand that this discussion should be kept to the metoo thread, why don’t you guys take a look at Willa Rogers posts in there addressing this exact variant on “fake news” that you’re spitting.
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