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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Economic incentives seem pretty flaccid so far Weak economic incentives didn't yield much but strong negative DISincentives (loss of employment, inability or difficulty to get employment, having to pay for a biweekly swab etc.) are only just now BEGINNING to happen. I'm pretty sure they will have a lot bigger effect than a lottery ticket or free beer or ice cream. I'll bet that if a lot of places make stuff like dining in and bars, travel, difficult or impossible for the unvaxed it will have a strong effect. These won't get everyone but I'd be willing to bet they will get the lion's share of what's left.
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AHH F/UGH posted:There is literally no place in America that an eligible person cannot just drop in to Walmart or Costco or Walgreens and get vaccinated in like 5 minutes except in the extreme boonies of like North Dakota reservation towns or something but those are massive edge cases Don't you post in the dumb poo poo your work thread constantly complaining you may have to return to the office and that might take away all the free time you have in the morning and afternoon while technically on the clock because you only actually work for a couple hours a day? Those Walgreens and Walmarts are staffed by people who do not have those same privileges.
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Maybe this photo circulating around FL and TX would help VERY NMS!!!!! 
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Aug 8, 2021 21:29
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Jesus, maybe only show the link and expand on the NMS so a lazy mouseover doesn't reveal that.
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Aug 8, 2021 21:32
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Isn't there like a low 4 figure number of ECMOs in US anyways? Ain't nobody getting that, you'll just die in a hallway lmao
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Aug 8, 2021 21:39
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Stats don't work on the chuds, shocking images have a better chance.
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Aug 8, 2021 21:41
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Electric shock worked really well on taser ball guy.
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Aug 8, 2021 21:46
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Galewolf posted:Jesus, maybe only show the link and expand on the NMS so a lazy mouseover doesn't reveal that. No Share it everywhere I wish there were pictures everywhere of people that are vented
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compshateme85 posted:Maybe this photo circulating around FL and TX would help that guy ate too good in the neighborhood  Colonel Cancer posted:Isn't there like a low 4 figure number of ECMOs in US anyways? Ain't nobody getting that, you'll just die in a hallway lmao they might start parking ambulances again so it might be an ambulance. I'm honestly completely terrified right now of like, breaking my ankle doing farm stuff and having to go to the hospital.
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if you can't find the time to get a vaccine you probably can't find the time to eat out or go to a movie or bar.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:02
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Wendigee posted:if you can't find the time to get a vaccine you probably can't find the time to eat out or go to a movie or bar. going out to eat or catching a movie takes a couple hours. if you have bad side effects you will be laid out for a week
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Aug 8, 2021 22:04
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Fur20 posted:going out to eat or catching a movie takes a couple hours. if you have bad side effects you will be laid out for a week If you don't get vaccinated and die you will be laid out forever.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:06
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if you can't find the time to get a vaccine you probably are working at the place people go to eat out or go to a movie or bar.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:07
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It's pretty obvious that when most people ITT complain about anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers that they're complaining about the 25% of the country who believe Covid is a conspiracy. Yes capitalism puts up barriers to some people getting the vaccine. Yes a few people have legitimate reasons not to wear a mask. That's not who we're complaining about.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:13
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Fur20 posted:going out to eat or catching a movie takes a couple hours. if you have bad side effects you will be laid out for a week i mean okay.... lets see how that reaction goes with the actual infection instead of a controlled introduction I guess. Probably not going to be good.
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Spinz posted:No This is not some facebook chudlord space that require shock value, people post here to celebrate getting their vaccines and pretty much aware of the consequences of rona. Normally (I mean, not an official thing but common practice), NWS posts are only img linked and have something like  with some explanation on them. I know what you're getting at but it could be done in a more controlled way.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:18
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AHH F/UGH posted:There is literally no place in America that an eligible person cannot just drop in to Walmart or Costco or Walgreens and get vaccinated in like 5 minutes except in the extreme boonies of like North Dakota reservation towns or something but those are massive edge cases It’ll just be an ever more elaborate set of excuses and moving goalposts talking about Americans who don’t have a car, can’t ride the bus, can’t take a bike, can’t catch a ride, can’t walk, work 24/7, will be fired the instant they take a break, etc. etc. etc.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:19
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Fallom posted:It’ll just be an ever more elaborate set of excuses and moving goalposts talking about Americans who don’t have a car, can’t ride the bus, can’t take a bike, can’t catch a ride, can’t walk, work 24/7, will be fired the instant they take a break, etc. etc. etc. they MIGHT get sick FROM the vaccine, then they would be out of work for A WEEK. Good news is that if you're workplace would fire you for severe vaccine symptoms you are working at walmart and can move to target with a pay raise due to the fact that every place is underemployed right now I guess.
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Aug 8, 2021 22:21
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Galewolf posted:This is not some facebook chudlord space that require shock value, people post here to celebrate getting their vaccines and pretty much aware of the consequences of rona. Normally (I mean, not an official thing but common practice), NWS posts are only img linked and have something like
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Aug 8, 2021 22:22
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Fur20 posted:going out to eat or catching a movie takes a couple hours. if you have bad side effects you will be laid out for a week we've had this discussion hundreds of times. the actual data doesn't support this. the vast vast majority of people who are unvaccinated are so because they choose to be for whatever reason
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Aug 8, 2021 22:22
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Vaccine commissars on every street corner and hospital-gulags for resistors
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DickParasite posted:It's pretty obvious that when people ITT complain about anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers that they're complaining about the 25% of the country who believe Covid is a conspiracy. Yes capitalism puts up barriers to some people getting the vaccine. Yes a few people have legitimate reasons not to wear a mask. That's not who we're complaining about. For real. From https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-july-2021/  Any time I'm talking about the unvaccinated, I'm talking about the 27% (as of July 2021) that said "definitely not" or "only if required" or "I'm not sure" - not the 3% who said they plan to get it as soon as it's feasible for them to do so. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine because of economic barriers then they deserve their place squarely in the 27% with everyone else who doesn't want the vaccine, they're just using the economic barriers as justification for their refusal. I don't feel like those 27% have a place at the dinner table with the real adults, barring the infinitesimally small number of them who said "definitely not" due to legitimate medical reasons. This pre-covid study estimates that approximately 2.7% of US adults are immunocompromised or immunosuppressed: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2572798 So we're looking at around 24% at least (giving some wiggle room for non-immunosuppression reasons to avoid the vaccine such as allergies [study showing a ~0.001% allergic reaction rate to individuals given the pfizer shot]) of US adults who have no valid excuse for not wanting the vaccine. More than 8 out of 10 US adults who are unvaccinated right now are loving idiots. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 8, 2021 |
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My idiot (former nurse) cousin didn't get it yet but apparently told my dad she might because it would probably be required to fly. She has young kids but the potential inconvenience is apparently the deciding factor for her. I had obviously severely misjudged her character before all this--it sucks but I guess it's better to know.
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AHH F/UGH posted:There is literally no place in America that an eligible person cannot just drop in to Walmart or Costco or Walgreens and get vaccinated in like 5 minutes except in the extreme boonies of like North Dakota reservation towns or something but those are massive edge cases yeah all them blacks and poors should stop being stupid and lazy and get vaccinated
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Fallom posted:It’ll just be an ever more elaborate set of excuses and moving goalposts talking about Americans who don’t have a car, can’t ride the bus, can’t take a bike, can’t catch a ride, can’t walk, work 24/7, will be fired the instant they take a break, etc. etc. etc. And low wage jobs are desperate for people right now. Just get another one if they actually fire you.
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Fallom posted:It’ll just be an ever more elaborate set of excuses and moving goalposts talking about Americans who don’t have a car, can’t ride the bus, can’t take a bike, can’t catch a ride, can’t walk, work 24/7, will be fired the instant they take a break, etc. etc. etc. imagine applying this statement to something like voting
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Mulaney Power Move posted:yeah all them blacks and poors should stop being stupid and lazy and get vaccinated Should they get vaccinated?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Should they get vaccinated? they should embrace the mark of the beast 
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compshateme85 posted:Maybe this photo circulating around FL and TX would help Gaaahhh I thought ECMO was something COOL! Or a drug or something Jeez If you're sick enough to need that, can you even agree to it? Or do they just choose it for you? because if I'm ever in need of that I might just ask them to let me go Also what percentage of people on ECMO actually make it?
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Gaaahhh Get someone you trust to hold your medical power of attorney, and have a long talk with them about your wishes.
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Iron Crowned posted:Get someone you trust to hold your medical power of attorney, and have a long talk with them about your wishes. I was just thinking to myself of how to formalize a living will like "give it a shot but don't try too hard hey? And no Darth Vader poo poo" I guess this is it lol
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Aug 9, 2021 00:16
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Gaaahhh It's a last resort and it's low.
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Chomposaur posted:I was just thinking to myself of how to formalize a living will like "give it a shot but don't try too hard hey? And no Darth Vader poo poo" I guess this is it lol Getting a power of attorney was pretty easy, you just fill out some forms, get it notarized, and keep it in a safe place.
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DickParasite posted:It's pretty obvious that when most people ITT complain about anti-maskers or anti-vaxxers that they're complaining about the 25% of the country who believe Covid is a conspiracy. Yes capitalism puts up barriers to some people getting the vaccine. Yes a few people have legitimate reasons not to wear a mask. That's not who we're complaining about. This. Conflating "want the vaccine but can't" with "anti-vax MAGAt" is more than a little disingenuous.
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compshateme85 posted:It's a last resort and it's low. Plus I've heard there's some fairly significant ongoing side effects if you do survive it too.
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compshateme85 posted:It's a last resort and it's low. It's actually basically a coin flip. Survival rate estimates range from the low 60s to somewhere in the 40s for COVID-19 patients depending on the study. But either way something that is definitely worth trying, especially for younger patients. It's a last resort for sure but it's not something like a 95% mortality rate, patients have a pretty decent chance of surviving. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Aug 9, 2021 |
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It's actually basically a coin flip. Survival rate estimates range from the low 60s to somewhere in the 40s for COVID-19 patients depending on the study. You know the machines are mostly going to be used on some rich old gently caress while the young people die in a heap in the hallway though
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Gaaahhh I'm sure that is something you would have the opportunity to say no to. It's far too expensive and invasive. I'm sure I'd say no to it.
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Spinz posted:I'm sure that is something you would have the opportunity to say no to. It's far too expensive and invasive. I'm sure I'd say no to it. Honest question, would you rather die at that point? I'm guessing if it's offered you're pretty short on options. What are the alternatives for someone who needs this level of care? Ventilator?
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