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If you're touring on the road on a bike, you should prob get full fenders for it.
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Aug 10, 2021 18:18
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Fenders are optional for most riding. If you hate cleaning your drivetrain or are bothered by a little mud or rain then you can run them. However! If you do multiday gravel touring they are required. When you go to drink out of your water bottle and its clogged with dirt and mud from yesterday, and your legs are coated with dirt that turns to mud when you sweat on it and your socks have turned completely brown, not because its raining, but because of the sweat-mud dripping into your shoes... you will want fenders.
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Aug 10, 2021 18:23
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Good full fenders are so good, I can't imagine why someone living in a place where it rains would not have them. I mean, I don't have them on every bike, but ya gotta have a rain bike for rainy days, and it's gotta have full fenders with big ol mudflaps for extra coverage. Otherwise you will be miserable, not ride as much (and be miserable), or become a zwifteur (and be miserable).
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Aug 10, 2021 18:27
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After riding in the Midwest for a couple of years I quickly settled on full fenders as a requirement. Now that I'm in CA where it never rains, I still have full fenders on my road bikes. If I ever build up the frame in my attic, I might stray from fender-land but it's going to be a rude awakening the first time I ride through a puddle.
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Aug 10, 2021 18:54
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Alright I'll have to ditch the too-big tires and get full fenders. Any full fender recommendations?
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Aug 10, 2021 18:56
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Dren posted:Alright I'll have to ditch the too-big tires and get full fenders. Any full fender recommendations? Honjos are the gold standard and priced accordingly. Velo-orange does a serviceable knockoff for a reasonable price. Some folks like the SKS chromoplastic ones, but personally I really prefer metal if I'm going with a year-round install.
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Aug 10, 2021 19:05
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The PDW fenders are incredible.
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Aug 10, 2021 19:10
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i hadnt installed fenders before but i found that i had to fiddle with my portland design work fenders to get them to fit correctly but it was worth it and kept my drivetrain a lot cleaner than without.
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Aug 10, 2021 19:11
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Seems like you have to fiddle with all fenders to get them to fit correctly.
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Aug 10, 2021 19:15
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I've got a set of kenisis fend off on my winter bike and they're ace, pretty pricey though
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Aug 10, 2021 19:28
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If you're doing any touring, as others have said, full coverage. Honjos are great, Berthoud makes some as well, but both of those are top of the line cost-wise. If you're going anywhere wet with potential cow/horse/animal dung, definitely get fenders. There was a group of people during PBP who got really sick 8 years ago because their water bottles got contaminated with feces (and they didn't have fenders).
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Aug 10, 2021 19:40
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People ride without clingfilm covering the bottle tops in the wet?
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Aug 10, 2021 20:01
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:The PDW fenders are incredible. and probably won't make you change your tires either
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Aug 10, 2021 20:46
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learnincurve posted:People ride without clingfilm covering the bottle tops in the wet? This but camelbak dirt series with the little nipple covers. After I heard about that race where a ton of people got ecoli from goat poo poo I switched exclusively to those bottles.
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Aug 10, 2021 20:56
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Dren posted:It's for touring so I'd like to avoid getting wet as much as possible. I guess waterproof pants would be an option. Skin is waterproof. Unless it’s really cold I’d rather cycle with shorts and dry off later. How hard can you cycle before getting sweaty in waterproofs anyway?
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Aug 10, 2021 21:41
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bicievino posted:Honjos are the gold standard and priced accordingly. -- all IMO -- tiers are: Gilles Berthoud, Honjo Velo-Orange, PDW Handsome (the cheapest U-strut construction, and best value for money) SKS, Planet Bike Special shoutout to Crud Roadracer for being retrofittable onto a road bike with no fender hardware and being a pretty good permanent install.
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Aug 10, 2021 21:59
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wooger posted:Skin is waterproof. Unless it’s really cold I’d rather cycle with shorts and dry off later. For touring. It be utter mad to let yourself get soaking wet then have to get back into those soaking wet clothes the next day and potentially even dangerous unless you live in a very pleasant climate.
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Aug 10, 2021 22:04
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You can self waterproof any item of clothing, not going to be storm proof but does work well on Lycra. I use nikwax wash in proofer and then the spray - they do a special spray for cycling gloves that you never knew you needed.
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Aug 10, 2021 22:20
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Salt Fish posted:Fenders are optional for most riding. If you hate cleaning your drivetrain or are bothered by a little mud or rain then you can run them. 
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Aug 10, 2021 22:22
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highme posted:and probably won't make you change your tires either I measured my bike/tires according to the pdw fit guide and I'm 8mm short of fitting under my front fork. Otherwise they actually might fit? I ordered the PDWs. Thanks everyone.
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Aug 11, 2021 01:40
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kimbo305 posted:-- all IMO -- Having gone from PDW to Handsome to Honjo, I'd put your list upside down. The Handsome were easiest to fit and better made and cheaper than all the rest. Only downside is you have to be ok with the wrinkly finish and just sweat poteto fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 02:29
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The Honjo aren't nicest cause they're easiest to install, friend. They're nicest cause they're the best. They look good and last decades.
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Aug 11, 2021 04:12
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Well I hope so for the price, but the other two are objectively better. Edit - left out another plus for the honjo, you can get differently length brackets for the seat stay bridge and fork crown. Very useful for mixing and matching between road and gravel forks. The other two are fixed IIRC. sweat poteto fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 04:27
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I'm still using whatever Planet Bike or PDW fenders I got from my local bike shop ten years ago, they keep me dry so I'm happy. I even have a spare set I salvaged from a bike that was smoked by an SUV at highway speeds that just needed the stay mounts bent back into shape but was otherwise no worse for wear.
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Aug 11, 2021 04:32
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The Handsomes have always come in two sizes, but looks like they have a range of colors for your tasteful randonneur type bike https://handsomecycles.com/collections/fenders-fender-parts Looks like the normal 45mm ones are scarce, though retailers will have it for cheaper than 70 when it comes back. I have a certain fondness for this completely unscooped fender cuz it was on my first touring bike  It doesn’t lose as much effectiveness as you’d think, and is much more tolerant of misadjustment.
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Aug 11, 2021 04:45
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Did my first 50 mile ride saturday with a group. Brought my standard two bottles of 50% electrolyte and 50% water (one packet of powder in one full bottle then pour half into the other bottle before filling both). I killed one bottle by the time we hit our break maybe 15-20mi into ride. I refilled it and we continued on. I then killed both bottles by the time we hit mile 45 or so meaning I did the last 5 without water. The weather was nice and I wasn't thirsty yet so I was safe this time. I'm thinking I need a third bottle or a camelbak or something? I've seen some contraption on one of the group member's bikes that connects to the seat tube and holds 1 or 2 bottles there. I just don't think I'd be able to keep the bottles cold the whole ride. My bottles are both the tall 24 oz insulated ones. And since I'm in texas, I've been prepping one bottle by freezing it the night before so by the time I kill my first bottle, the frozen one is maybe half way thawed out leaving me with refreshingly cold water. The first bottle just gets filled half way with ice before I leave the house. If I got a camelbak, I could freeze two bottles and then just go to bottles by the time my camelbak is out. Suggestions?
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Aug 11, 2021 18:24
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Aren't 24oz bottles quite small? just get big liter ones if you can fit them
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Aug 11, 2021 18:32
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poemdexter posted:Did my first 50 mile ride saturday with a group. Brought my standard two bottles of 50% electrolyte and 50% water (one packet of powder in one full bottle then pour half into the other bottle before filling both). I killed one bottle by the time we hit our break maybe 15-20mi into ride. I refilled it and we continued on. I then killed both bottles by the time we hit mile 45 or so meaning I did the last 5 without water. The weather was nice and I wasn't thirsty yet so I was safe this time. I'm thinking I need a third bottle or a camelbak or something? I've seen some contraption on one of the group member's bikes that connects to the seat tube and holds 1 or 2 bottles there. I just don't think I'd be able to keep the bottles cold the whole ride. My bottles are both the tall 24 oz insulated ones. And since I'm in texas, I've been prepping one bottle by freezing it the night before so by the time I kill my first bottle, the frozen one is maybe half way thawed out leaving me with refreshingly cold water. The first bottle just gets filled half way with ice before I leave the house. If I got a camelbak, I could freeze two bottles and then just go to bottles by the time my camelbak is out. Suggestions? General rule of thumb I use is one bottle per hour of riding, with more if it's hot. Texas summer riding probably qualifies. Two bottles in 25 miles sounds like a lot to me, but duration matters more than mileage, I suppose. I'd recommend mirroring what your group does - it's probably (but not definitely) reasonably optimized for their style of riding. It's not unreasonable to expect a group to stop every two hours or so to refill bottles.
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Aug 11, 2021 18:37
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poemdexter posted:Did my first 50 mile ride saturday with a group. Brought my standard two bottles of 50% electrolyte and 50% water (one packet of powder in one full bottle then pour half into the other bottle before filling both). I killed one bottle by the time we hit our break maybe 15-20mi into ride. I refilled it and we continued on. I then killed both bottles by the time we hit mile 45 or so meaning I did the last 5 without water. The weather was nice and I wasn't thirsty yet so I was safe this time. I'm thinking I need a third bottle or a camelbak or something? I've seen some contraption on one of the group member's bikes that connects to the seat tube and holds 1 or 2 bottles there. I just don't think I'd be able to keep the bottles cold the whole ride. My bottles are both the tall 24 oz insulated ones. And since I'm in texas, I've been prepping one bottle by freezing it the night before so by the time I kill my first bottle, the frozen one is maybe half way thawed out leaving me with refreshingly cold water. The first bottle just gets filled half way with ice before I leave the house. If I got a camelbak, I could freeze two bottles and then just go to bottles by the time my camelbak is out. Suggestions? What works for one person might not work for someone else. Do what works for you. For fast training rides around 50mi in temperate weather I’ll use two regular sized Purists (22oz.) If it averages 65F I might barely touch the second bottle. If it’s 80F+ I’ll bring two large Purists (26oz.) I’ve gotten used to not using mix on ~50mi rides, but will use a flask filled with gel that contains added salt. And yes, I often freeze both bottles, even for cooler weather rides. A third bottle seems a little extreme. Is there no access to a drinking fountain or other public water tap on your routes? TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 18:42
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I've been able to get along with a third bottle in my jersey pocket. as soon as I finish drinking the first bottle I swap the full one in the jersey for the empty one
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Aug 11, 2021 18:58
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i have the day off tomorrow and want to do a huge ride but its supposed to get super hot so maybe ill try to get some swim stops in soggy chammy tho
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Aug 11, 2021 20:04
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Do what we do in all of Europe: Stop at a cafe halfway, get a coffee and refill your bottles. 2L of water should be more than enough unless you’re cycling through a desert / wilderness area.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:05
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bicievino posted:General rule of thumb I use is one bottle per hour of riding, with more if it's hot. Texas summer riding probably qualifies. Two bottles in 25 miles sounds like a lot to me, but duration matters more than mileage, I suppose. This is pretty much what I do normally except we stopped closer to the 15 mile mark so it felt a little premature to stop so soon. It was a 3h11m ride total. I've also never done the calculation to see how much I sweat and replace 2/3s (I read this somewhere). I've just experienced heat exhaustion many times and avoid it at all costs without going overboard. In all honesty, I should have been able to make 3 bottles total last 50 miles, but I guess I sipped a little too much. We started at 7am and it was pushing into 10:30am when we got to the end and it was starting to heat up a tad. I'm signing up for an even longer ride this upcoming Saturday and hope we aren't gonna be goofy about stops. Thanks goons.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:32
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I generally drink about a bottle every 1:30-2:00 depending on the temperature if I'm not actively trying to drink more. It's probably less than ideal so I've been trying to focus on taking a drink more frequently. But I usually set out on a 100k with three bottles and never plan on stopping.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:36
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I take two 600 ml bottles and they're gone after about 2h30m in the summer, and most of the time I down another bottle once I get home. that's like a 45 mile flat ride or so? I sweat a fuckload and I'm fat. If I go longer/it's really hot I refill along the way, take larger bottles (800ml), and/or carry a spare or two in my jersey backpocket.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:42
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I've done a century on 2 800ml bottles before without stopping, but that was a) in spring and b) a bit too far
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Aug 11, 2021 22:06
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Every morning I wake up and open palm slam a Nuun tablet into the bottle.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:14
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R.I.P. KONA KOLA  and lemon tea numberoneposter fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 22:18
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THe only time I feel compelled to ever bring a 3rd bottle is for especially long rides and/or rides where there is an unknown water situation. Personally, I'm similar to Tobin - I'll probably drink a bit but usually don't go through 2 bottles unless its hot for anything 50-70 miles. Mix-wise for a 50-70 miler, I'll probably throw in some electrolyte mix or just eat a salt tablet if necessary. Calories are dependent on effort, etc.
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bicievino posted:it's gotta have full fenders with big ol mudflaps for extra coverage. 
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