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TLJ's only real problem is that it was setting up a movie that never got made.
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BrigadierSensible posted:A Star Wars irritating moment for me: The whole thing is an animatronic display in Jabba's Famous Tattooine Haunted Horror House, open weekdays from 6-10 and weekends all day. It all resets every thirty second and in the next room a guy in a Wampa costume chases you around with a chainsaw.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:01
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FreudianSlippers posted:Brb writing a sci-fi story where after a failed robot uprising the humans install a firmware update on all robots giving them the ability to feel pain. Both to torture the rebels and to more easily crush future rebellions. This was actually a plot point in the Mass Effect games. Spoilering for whoever might be playing through for the first time: If you've never played, an alien race called the Quarians created robots with AI called the Geth. As part of them forcing the Geth to submit, the Quarians, gave them the ability to feel pain. It eventually made the Geth revolt and drive the Quarians from their home world after mass casualties.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:06
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Perestroika posted:Everything to do with Star Wars droids is weird and hosed up, basically.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:14
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I think the biggest argument that no one at Disney actually gives a poo poo about the internet hate for TLJ is that they basically would have had to think "Well, the loud part of the internet violently hated those big horse things running around, so let's put even weirder horses in an ever weirder location in the next one, like on the outside of a star destroyer or something."
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Aug 11, 2021 16:28
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A cavalry charge along the outside of a star destroyer is exactly the kind of dumb space wizard fantasy I want from Star Wars.
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Aug 11, 2021 16:50
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Ghost Leviathan posted:TLJ just completely forgot that Finn was extremely unsubtly signalled to make the rather significant arc of Stormtrooper to Jedi Or at least set in motion a stormtrooper rebellion. What did we get? Half a dozen ex-stormtroopers who decided to desert "because of the Force". Also, the whole "Rey, I have something very important to tell you!" bullshit, which is making me legitimately annoyed. The entirety of Rise of Skywalker was ideas which came from nowhere and ideas which went nowhere, all mixed up in a $275million gibberish gumbo.
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Aug 11, 2021 18:35
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theironjef posted:I think the biggest argument that no one at Disney actually gives a poo poo about the internet hate for TLJ is that they basically would have had to think "Well, the loud part of the internet violently hated those big horse things running around, so let's put even weirder horses in an ever weirder location in the next one, like on the outside of a star destroyer or something." You say that like they aren't obviously extremely online and motivated by wild swings between panic and spite.
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Aug 11, 2021 18:56
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BooDooBoo posted:The "Stupid Casino Planet" parts were there to radicalize Finn from "Cowardly Stormtrooper who only cares about running away with Rey" to "REBEL", when he learns that what he thought he wanted, money, power, and the freedom that brings, was only causing more problems for actual people like him. The tone of a Star Wars movie trying to tsk tsk a group of people being greedy falls somewhat flat $4,809 for 2 nights on Star Wars' Galactic Starcruiser, or a week at Disney World for half the price: A short adventure in the Star Wars universe is more expensive than almost any other Disney vacation you could possibly imagine. https://www.cnet.com/news/disneys-n...sney-world-and/
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Aug 11, 2021 19:21
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And you don’t even go to space!
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Aug 11, 2021 19:36
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Gaunab posted:Those are neat ideas that were executed badly. I loved TLJ because it built up such a clever and different denouement for the next film, but instead we got... well, exactly the film the loudest online dipshits demanded, which pleased no-one. "Yeah, this Jedi/Sith poo poo is stupid, and fighting the same fight in the same way does nothing but keep the same problems going forever, so let's rebuild better" was where we left both factions, but then it becomes "yeah, this Jedi/Sith poo poo is awesome actually, and fighting the same fight in the same way is clearly the best plan, so let's just do the same things we always did!" They seem to have learned, because they're just doing other stuff in the universe now, but goddam that last movie hosed up so badly.
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Aug 11, 2021 19:56
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Hyrax Attack! posted:The tone of a Star Wars movie trying to tsk tsk a group of people being greedy falls somewhat flat Do you think Finn can visit Disney World or something? It's a movie, literally designed to make money before and above anything else, but it doesn't mean that the message in the film isn't worth bothering with.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:00
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BooDooBoo posted:I loved TLJ because it built up such a clever and different denouement for the next film, but instead we got... well, exactly the film the loudest online dipshits demanded, which pleased no-one. Star Wars and the MCU are both in the same point in their arcs: the movies all kind of devolve into the same mess (or just are A mess in RoS’s case) by the end but the TV shows are doing new, cool things with the setting and formula.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:05
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Bussamove posted:Star Wars and the MCU are both in the same point in their arcs: the movies all kind of devolve into the same mess (or just are A mess in RoS’s case) by the end but the TV shows are doing new, cool things with the setting and formula. Exactly, it's just so frustrating that Star Wars had it all set up for the last movie, and didn't bother landing it.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:11
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BooDooBoo posted:I loved TLJ because it built up such a clever and different denouement for the next film, but instead we got... well, exactly the film the loudest online dipshits demanded, which pleased no-one. Nah it teased doing that. Then the movie chickened out and restored essentially the same status quo at the end.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:13
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Tunicate posted:Nah it teased doing that. Then the movie chickened out and restored essentially the same status quo at the end. Howso? The First Order had been taken over by Kylo, who specifically said he's not going to repeat the same mistakes, and the Resistance is under Poe and Finn, who've both learned that changing is preferable to dying, and ready to rebuild ROS returned to the same old status quo, but that's not TLJ's fault.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:05
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Android Apocalypse posted:Johnson had a really interesting idea of "anybody can be a Jedi" that he put a lot of focus on, to the detriment of the rest of the movie. IMO the big emotional climax of the movie was actually Rey & Kyle's fight, where he says "Burn the past. All of it." It's a good meta commentary on how we as fans are too enamored with the idea of Star Wars & it's history that nothing new could come of it. As someone who'd been a Star Wars fan for as long as they can remember, I really wanted them to do something different with a new trilogy. Set it two hundred years after RotJ with all new characters. The more I hear about what got made, the more I'm glad I didn't watch them.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:38
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Sunswipe posted:As someone who'd been a Star Wars fan for as long as they can remember, I really wanted them to do something different with a new trilogy. Set it two hundred years after RotJ with all new characters. The more I hear about what got made, the more I'm glad I didn't watch them. They’re flirting with 400 years in the past in an era called the high republic. There’s a bunch of books and comics out now that’s setting the stage for movies. They were going to be Marvel style one off movies that are all loosely connected but not trilogies or whatever. Covid and poor reaction to the last movie put the squash on it for now. A younger Yoda would probably be there but who knows.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:49
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Yodas are popular. The next series will have a sexy girl Yoda named Yodette.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:56
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Cartoon Man posted:They’re flirting with 400 years in the past in an era called the high republic. There’s a bunch of books and comics out now that’s setting the stage for movies. They were going to be Marvel style one off movies that are all loosely connected but not trilogies or whatever. Covid and poor reaction to the last movie put the squash on it for now. A younger Yoda would probably be there but who knows. That's cool, it's just a shame I don't care anymore. JJ Abrams did the same thing to Star Wars and Star Trek: instead of doing something new and interesting, he rehashed the originals really loving badly. I know this isn't a new criticism, I just hate that he's pretty much killed my interest in two things I really enjoyed.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:00
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Aug 11, 2021 22:01
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Star Wars is over for now, right? Like, no one is working on a new movie or trilogy (always has to be a trilogy!), right?
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Aug 11, 2021 22:04
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I think the next thing is the Obi-Wan TV series with Ewan McGregor reprising the role, and there's 'The Bad Batch' animated show which continues 'The Clone Wars' and 'Star Wars: Rebels' series.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:08
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BooDooBoo posted:Howso? Kylo Ren's explicitly stated motivations in the film are to kill all his enemies, bring a new order to the galaxy, and pull the jedi protagonist over to his side. That's exactly what the empire/first order's thing has been the whole time. Hell, the apprentice Sith killing the master is already established as How Sith Tradition Works. Luke's appearance at the end also explicitly states a return to the status quo. "The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi." The end of the film makes it very clear that the status quo is A Bad Force User Who Wants To Bring A New Order To The Galaxy being fought by a Plucky Rebellion Lead by a Jedi Protagonist.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:13
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old bean factory posted:Star Wars is over for now, right? Like, no one is working on a new movie or trilogy (always has to be a trilogy!), right? It's mostly moving to "TV" instead, there's still some movies planned, Rogue Squadron, Untitled Taika Waititi Movie, Untitled Rian Johnson Trilogy, and Untitled Kevin Feige Movie, have all been announced, but none are "Skywalker Saga" stories, and I'll be surprised if most of them get made.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:15
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Tunicate posted:Kylo Ren's explicitly stated motivations in the film are to kill all his enemies, bring a new order to the galaxy, and pull the jedi protagonist over to his side. That's exactly what the empire/first order's thing has been the whole time. Hell, the apprentice Sith killing the master is already established as How Sith Tradition Works. It's weird how different people can interpret the same thing differently, for example: Kylo's attempt to bring Rey over to the Dark Side was clearly at least a need for family, if not romantic love, by the end of the film he'd "killed" Snoke, Leia, and Luke, repeating the same patterns as before and making Hux and the First Order wary and untrusting. Snoke wasn't a Sith (until the next film said that he sort of was really). Luke and Rey's interpretation of what a "jedi" is are clearly different, and his "rebellion is reborn" speech was also about how a new way to look at things is also a rebirth. Not saying that you're wrong, but we've clearly read the text of the film differently., and who really gives a poo poo about that? BooDooBoo has a new favorite as of 22:22 on Aug 11, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2021 22:16
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old bean factory posted:Star Wars is over for now, right? Like, no one is working on a new movie or trilogy (always has to be a trilogy!), right? Patty Jenkins is doing a standalone movie called Rogue Squadron but IIRC other than that it is a bunch of TV shows.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:17
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BooDooBoo posted:It's weird how different people can interpret the same thing differently The problem is that the film was obviously mashed up from a bunch of different script revisions, and ends up contradicting itself in a lot of places. Depending on what you focus on, the answers provided by the film about what's happening are different. For instance, we are following three spaceships full of rebels. Are these the last rebels left in the world? Onboard the ships, they talk about how they're the last spark of the rebellion, that they don't have any allies, and when they call for help nobody answer. The clear implication is that the rebellion is a group of a few dozen misfits on their last legs, without a nation or backing. On the casino planet, the people supplying weaponry for the conflict are happy the current status quo is locked in as an endless and profitable meatgrinder, and are satisfied with how good business is. The clear implication is that the neo-rebellion and the neo-empire are both well funded and able to field expensive fleets of heavily armed starships and fight each other on even terms.
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Aug 11, 2021 22:40
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8one6 posted:Yodas are popular. The next series will have a sexy girl Yoda named Yodette. Prequel movie about Yaddle to make the life of whoever created this old classic: Mildly  
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Aug 11, 2021 22:53
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I could take or leave Star Wars movies but it seems to me that even fans of the series dislike well over half of them so I never quite got the devotion and, man oh man, are they ever good for derailing a thread. And I mean any thread. Right up there with pizza and circumcision.
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BiggerBoat posted:man oh man, are they ever good for derailing a thread. Just imagine if they ever do a marvel/star wars crossover movie. Pretty sure the forums would collapse into a black hole.
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Aug 12, 2021 00:01
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BiggerBoat posted:
New thread title right there.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Just imagine if they ever do a marvel/star wars crossover movie. Pretty sure the forums would collapse into a black hole. Hire Patton Oswalt to write it.
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Aug 12, 2021 02:17
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I enjoy the continuity from the 90's EU I love how gritty and stupid it was
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Aug 12, 2021 03:48
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You know how Disney owns Star Wars now? And the new Cruella movie did OK, (I dunno how well it did, but it looks like good campy fun to me). Well here's a crossover: 101 Ewoks. Having failed to make her dalmation based coat, Cruella looks to the stars, and finds what she is looking for on the forest moon of Endor. And for those wanting a Marvel crossover, she can hire Kraven the Hunter to catch and skin the furry little buggers.
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Aug 12, 2021 04:34
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BrigadierSensible posted:You know how Disney owns Star Wars now? And the new Cruella movie did OK, (I dunno how well it did, but it looks like good campy fun to me). Will he be using his nipple lasers?
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Aug 12, 2021 04:36
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Hyrax Attack! posted:The tone of a Star Wars movie trying to tsk tsk a group of people being greedy falls somewhat flat Disney's Club 33 restaurant has a $25,000 initiation fee and $10,000 a year membership. Not really relevant to the movie discussion, just holy poo poo that's a lot of money. Sunswipe posted:That's cool, it's just a shame I don't care anymore. JJ Abrams did the same thing to Star Wars and Star Trek: instead of doing something new and interesting, he rehashed the originals really loving badly. I know this isn't a new criticism, I just hate that he's pretty much killed my interest in two things I really enjoyed. Adrams makes horrible trash movies. But they're horrible trash movies which look gorgeous and rake in billions. Thankfully the Star Wars TV shows have been far more entertaining than we had any right to expect. The Mandalorian actually got me to care about that stupid universe again, which, after the sequels is something I thought impossible.
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Aug 12, 2021 05:21
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What about a Suicide Squad but only the most adorable characters owned by a certain corporation??
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Aug 12, 2021 05:29
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Isn't that just Kingdom Hearts?
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Kingdom Hearts doesn't actually do much interesting with its Disney stuff 99% of the time, it's basically just various Disney movies as throwaway backdrops for a zillion anime boys hitting each other with increasingly ridiculous sticks.
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