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Kenney's super secret plan to keep the doctors and nurses and teachers from fleeing the province is to deny them the ability to prove they are safe to leave. e: lovely snipe. How about some local news: Barrie now has the second highest rent in Canada, the fastest rising housing prices, and no loving way to afford either if you work here and not down in the GTA.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:13
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Albino Squirrel posted:Yes, but the provinces hold all the vaccination info - in Alberta it's accessible via Netcare. If Alberta will not 'facilitate' vaccine passports, if they won't work with the feds as the feds are apparently hoping, then it may not be possible to generate a record of vaccination for people living in Alberta. I would be for this only inasmuch as it seems like just the thing to seal the UCP's fate in the next election. I agree that what it means in actuality is that the Alberta Provincial government won't make any laws which incorporate the vaccine passports, and possibly might even go so far as to try and chill the use of the vaccine passports in the Province. I can't see them actually standing in the way of someone who wants to get the passport to travel though.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:13
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It will only take one phone call from the CEO of Westjet for Kenney to send the feds whatever they want.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:29
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Furnaceface posted:e: lovely snipe. How about some local news: Barrie now has the second highest rent in Canada, the fastest rising housing prices, and no loving way to afford either if you work here and not down in the GTA. poo poo is hosed, imagine paying through the nose for housing and the end result is you live in loving Barrie. Christ.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:35
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lmao. As someone who very nearly ended up living in Barrie as a teenager, man, talk about a bullet dodged.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:37
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Albino Squirrel posted:Yes, but the provinces hold all the vaccination info - in Alberta it's accessible via Netcare. If Alberta will not 'facilitate' vaccine passports, if they won't work with the feds as the feds are apparently hoping, then it may not be possible to generate a record of vaccination for people living in Alberta. Here's the thing: they can't forbid or prevent you or I from providing our personal healthcare data to a federal official. It might be more a pain in the rear end than if they just cooperated like normal, sane human beings, but it's still going to be possible.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:40
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/stevelambertwpg/status/1425527407524683777?s=20 Steven Fletcher
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Aug 12, 2021 03:43
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Albino Squirrel posted:Yes, but the provinces hold all the vaccination info - in Alberta it's accessible via Netcare. If Alberta will not 'facilitate' vaccine passports, if they won't work with the feds as the feds are apparently hoping, then it may not be possible to generate a record of vaccination for people living in Alberta. I'm about to go to Europe with my vaccine certificate from Ontario which is simply a piece of plain paper with my vaccine info and an easily manipulated PDF with the same info. The countries I'm going to have said they are accepting Canadian vaccination certificates so hopefully they are aware of what ours looks like. I'm fairly confident the border won't be a problem since they probably have examples, but I'm a little bit worried about some museums, restaurants, etc. not accepting this shoddy proof. All this to say that if Ontario's system is this bad, I can't imagine how much worse Alberta's system is.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:44
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MagicCube posted:I'm about to go to Europe with my vaccine certificate from Ontario which is simply a piece of plain paper with my vaccine info and an easily manipulated PDF with the same info. The countries I'm going to have said they are accepting Canadian vaccination certificates so hopefully they are aware of what ours looks like. It's actually quite good, I have both my original vaccination records and online access to my health records which records not only the COVID vaccine, but every vaccine I've ever received.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:54
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infernal machines posted:Wait, Murphy Brown is running for office? InfiniteZero posted:If Murphy Brown liked to wear a MAGA hat and was a generally lovely person, sure. It's never going to not be weird to me that there is a literal lovely Candice Bergen out there, and that she's Canadian.
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Aug 12, 2021 03:54
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MagicCube posted:I'm about to go to Europe with my vaccine certificate from Ontario which is simply a piece of plain paper with my vaccine info and an easily manipulated PDF with the same info. The countries I'm going to have said they are accepting Canadian vaccination certificates so hopefully they are aware of what ours looks like. Buddy of mine just came back from a business trip to Belgium and apparently his second shot certificate was all he needed for most things. Border wanted to see both which he was worried about because he got the mix but, they apparently didn't give a poo poo about that.
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Aug 12, 2021 14:03
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Yeah, Alberta could make it annoying and inconvenient to get the federal vaccination certificate but they can't stop you from accessing your own health-care information and giving it to whoever you want. Also this whole framing of 'vaccine passport' is such a gently caress-up in marketing it's unbelievable. I know it's not an actual mandatory thing everywhere but schools across the country offer scheduled vaccines and are allowed to ask for and track immunization records of every child and this has been going on for years and years without it being a 'thing'. The branding should have just been something innocuous like "immunization record" that everyone has heard in reference to their kids for decades.
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Aug 12, 2021 14:19
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This is what I still can't fathom about the back to school plans here in Ontario. We've been requiring immunization records forever, why we aren't in this specific case where we know with absolute certainty there is a significant risk to both students and staff if people are not immunized, is inconceivable.
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Aug 12, 2021 14:31
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Presumably because Ford and Lecce want to kill as many teachers as they can.
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Aug 12, 2021 15:05
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Because Facebook and the right wing ghoul mob would get mad. The past means nothing. Only memes. Burn em all.
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Aug 12, 2021 15:07
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Conservatives are babies and everyone is allergic to treating them differently.
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Aug 12, 2021 15:12
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Fidelitious posted:they can't stop you from accessing your own health-care information and giving it to whoever you want. Get a load of this guy who hasn’t had the MyHealth website break 5 different ways over 3 weeks while trying to verify his identity to get access to his vaccine info.
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Aug 12, 2021 15:36
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Ontario says they won't be participating in any vaccine passport system because people might create fake ones and that would make the system pointless.
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Aug 12, 2021 15:37
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Why bother making laws if some people might break them?
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Aug 12, 2021 15:41
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https://twitter.com/reutersLjungg/status/1425828232130142209?s=20 Date is a bit more clear
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Aug 12, 2021 15:58
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apatheticman posted:https://twitter.com/reutersLjungg/status/1425828232130142209?s=20 Isn’t that right around when they said we could see initial vaccine approvals for children under 12?
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Aug 12, 2021 16:16
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Isn’t that right around when they said we could see initial vaccine approvals for children under 12? For Pfizer yes, I don't think any of the other studies are that far ahead. But that's half remembered bullshit from my head so don't hold me to any sort of account.
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Aug 12, 2021 16:33
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Mr. Apollo posted:Ontario says they won't be participating in any vaccine passport system because people might create fake ones and that would make the system pointless. As opposed to their lovely receipt that could be faked in 2 seconds.
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Aug 12, 2021 16:58
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apatheticman posted:For Pfizer yes, I don't think any of the other studies are that far ahead. Pfizer claims they'll have the data for 5-11s by early to mid September which depending on the time it takes to review you could see emergency authorization by the end of September? I could see early October being more likely though. 12-17s took a bit under 3 weeks from submission to approval IIRC. 4 months to five years though will likely take longer though. They haven't given a more solid estimate and given the dosing differences and changes from the phase 1 trial (an adult dose is 30mg, they tested 10, 20, and 30 in phase 1 and then suddenly went with 3mg for phase 2/3 in under 5s) they probably are wanting to be more careful there.
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Aug 12, 2021 17:15
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Aw poo poo, here we go again.
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Aug 12, 2021 17:33
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Isn’t that right around when they said we could see initial vaccine approvals for children under 12? Jesus christ just approve it already. There are 100s of millions of doses in arms already, this is a very safe vaccine and we know what rare side effects ( cardiac inflammatory ) to look for. Delta is about to run wild all over North America, we need to get kids in schools some protection.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:26
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Another Bill posted:Jesus christ just approve it already. There are 100s of millions of doses in arms already, this is a very safe vaccine and we know what rare side effects ( cardiac inflammatory ) to look for. It's not that easy. The dosing is vastly different for 5-11s and even smaller for under 5s. Beyond the standard safety stuff the fact they're going with much lower doses means it still needs to get evaluated to see if those doses produce the expected/required effectiveness. Like they went with the absolute lowest phase 1 tested dose for 5-11s and went even lower for under 5s which could indicate they saw something concerning in under 5s at the standard dose. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 18:36
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Dumb question because I'm not a science guy. If there's different dose amounts, is there some reason the vaccination thresholds are based on age and not weight?
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Aug 12, 2021 18:49
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flashy_mcflash posted:Dumb question because I'm not a science guy. If there's different dose amounts, is there some reason the vaccination thresholds are based on age and not weight? I'd say it's probably based on both. But immune system responses change as you age.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:59
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I think it's sort of similar to the original handwringing about vaccine availability. The authorities aren't really following an unreasonable process, the main problem is that we've collectively decided that we don't need to take any precautions any more, so we're absolutely desperate for everyone to be vaccinated.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:23
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PT6A posted:I think it's sort of similar to the original handwringing about vaccine availability. The authorities aren't really following an unreasonable process, the main problem is that we've collectively decided that we don't need to take any precautions any more, so we're absolutely desperate for everyone to be vaccinated. Yeah the correct answer should be "Keep more protective measures in schools even if that means distance learning for one more semester" not "Slam adult vaccinations or untested lower doses into kids before we've finished the study in a month what's the worst that could happen?"
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Aug 12, 2021 19:28
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Outsider who works for a Canadian company and I want to sound not totally stupid. Where does this election likely end up? Another minority? I could see people going "Well I hate CPC so here's your dumb majority just leave us alone!" Am I completely off?
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Aug 12, 2021 19:34
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MaoistBanker posted:Outsider who works for a Canadian company and I want to sound not totally stupid. Where does this election likely end up? Another minority? I could see people going "Well I hate CPC so here's your dumb majority just leave us alone!" Probably either a Liberal majority or another minority with the NDP picking up more support is my guess. NDP support has been slowly rising but nowhere near "Could form a government" territory and the Cons are in a bad place since O'Toole has managed to be somehow less popular than Andrew "Sack of Milk" Scheer which is really loving impressive.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:39
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Probably either a Liberal majority or another minority with the NDP picking up more support is my guess. NDP support has been slowly rising but nowhere near "Could form a government" territory and the Cons are in a bad place since O'Toole has managed to be somehow less popular than Andrew "Sack of Milk" Scheer which is really loving impressive. Yeah, this. Also every provincial government run by conservatives is doing just terribly, like completely making GBS threads the bed with diarrhea. That's not really the federal party's fault, but it sure as gently caress doesn't help their prospects.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:41
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MaoistBanker posted:Am I completely off? Yes The CPC is an utter shambles internally and Erin O'Tool is about as popular as the clap even with people who would otherwise vote conservative. The only way for the Liberals to end up with a minority here is if they completely and utterly poo poo themselves on the national stage in some presently unforeseeable way. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 19:41
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Liberal majority with NDP official opposition would be ideal. Just because I want tories to fail.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:43
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MaoistBanker posted:Outsider who works for a Canadian company and I want to sound not totally stupid. Where does this election likely end up? Another minority? I could see people going "Well I hate CPC so here's your dumb majority just leave us alone!" Some white guy's gonna go on TV and say "the federal Liberals made health care bad" and then the braindead populace of this country will elect a Conservative majority
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Aug 12, 2021 19:44
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I'm not familiar with the rules on parliamentary procedure. Does Trudeau really have the power to unilaterally dissolve parliament and start an election or would it have to come up to a vote?
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Aug 12, 2021 19:45
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ZeeBoi posted:Liberal majority with NDP official opposition would be ideal. Just because I want tories to fail. I mean, ndp majority would be more ideal but might as well wish for full communism now since we're in fantasy land.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:45
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MaoistBanker posted:Outsider who works for a Canadian company and I want to sound not totally stupid. Where does this election likely end up? Another minority? I could see people going "Well I hate CPC so here's your dumb majority just leave us alone!" The Liberals at least are highly confident they’ll win a majority if they’re calling an election now. They technically don’t need to until 2023.
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