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Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 10, 2009

Slow News Day posted:

My neighbors have a habit of letting their dog out to their backyard unattended. About thirty minutes later, the dog sits in front of their patio door and does a combination of whining and barking to be let back in.

It's 100 degrees out today and the dog has been barking for the past 45 minutes or so. The situation is no longer about neglect — it's now about cruelty.

What can be done about situations like this? I feel terrible for the dog, but I don't have the type of relationship with the owners where I can go tell them to take better care of her. I don't want to report them either. Should I go and knock on the door and just say "hey your dog has been barking outside for a while, just wanted to make sure you guys are okay" or something?

While the dog needs to be let in this is not neglect or cruelty and you are the reason people have high privacy fences. Leave the people alone. If you're that worried about it, leave a note in their mailbox with "hey, do you guys need an outdoor water bowl for your pup? I have one at (address)"

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StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Slow News Day posted:

My neighbors have a habit of letting their dog out to their backyard unattended. About thirty minutes later, the dog sits in front of their patio door and does a combination of whining and barking to be let back in.

It's 100 degrees out today and the dog has been barking for the past 45 minutes or so. The situation is no longer about neglect — it's now about cruelty.

What can be done about situations like this? I feel terrible for the dog, but I don't have the type of relationship with the owners where I can go tell them to take better care of her. I don't want to report them either. Should I go and knock on the door and just say "hey your dog has been barking outside for a while, just wanted to make sure you guys are okay" or something?

I'd start with that, yeah. Knock on the door, ask if everything's okay. Maybe offer a water dish for the dog.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA




The face of a dog who tried to steal dinner and would've gotten away with it too if I hadn't been watching him

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

StrixNebulosa posted:




The face of a dog who tried to steal dinner and would've gotten away with it too if I hadn't been watching him it weren't for those meddling kids

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Good boy Gobi, 9 months

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Good boy Gobi, 9 months



Aw, it looks like he forgave you for getting him his shots!

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Do dogs have a potty training regression at some point? Our golden just turned 7 months, and after 3 months of perfect potty training she's now having a pee and a poo accident per night, three days running. No [other] signs of any health issues, but we wake up in the morning to a HUGE turd, like the size of 4x of her normal daily poops stacked atop each other, and usually one small pee nearby.

Our routine hasn't changed at all - Dinner at 6pm, last drink of water at 8pm, a trip outside to potty at 10:30pm, and then up at 6:00am. She poops and pees regularly throughout the day.

Phenotype
Jul 24, 2007

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.



How do you get a dog to recognize the recall command as urgent? My 6-year-old is pretty well trained and knows a dozen commands, and generally obedient and responds to commands promptly even when she knows I don't have treats. But she seems to think "come here" is kind of a suggestion. She'll come if I keep calling, but if she's looking or sniffing at something interesting, she might keep doing what she's doing until I call her 3 or 4 times. I play training games with her a couple times a week, but she always comes instantly when we're playing because she knows I have treats. She's a great dog, I just don't know how to explain to her that she needs to come immediately when I call, just like when she sits or barks or shakes hands or whatever.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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I can only say what I've done, but my guy is always eager to please so it's never been a struggle. I use "with me" to call my dog, and "with me RIGHT NOW" to indicate urgency. I think I started training that when he was on leash, if he didn't respond immediately I pulled the lead very firmly to force him to respond. And then the usual "good boy" / head pats with each incremental improvement.

If he's on a leash and doesn't respond with urgency to RIGHT NOW, I repeat the command and correct his behavior by keeping him on the shortest length of leash possible for a couple of minutes as we continue our walk.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA




Apollo vs a stick

GoodBee
Apr 8, 2004


regulargonzalez posted:

I use "with me" to call my dog, and "with me RIGHT NOW" to indicate urgency.

I add clapping to mean right now. I started that when we would go to the big dog park. The clapping carries farther than me yelling and I can't do a loud whistle like some people.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
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Keep in mind that the dog has to either want to please you, or believe that there will be consequences for not obeying the command that are worse than the benefit they're getting from disobeying. Lots of dogs will ignore recall commands if there's something interesting going on. Plus of course they can easily turn "disobeying the recall command" into a fun game of chase as you try to catch them so you can administer (way too late to be meaningful) punishment.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
We trained our dog's recall by using an extremely high value reward (real, boiled chicken) that she only ever got for a successful recall, and never any other time. She knows, "Savannah, COME!" means a ~75% chance of amazing delicious chicken, and it's worth giving up this cool dead possum or tasty pinecone

Recall is such a perishable skill that it helps us to think of it like a piggy bank. Every time you recall without the special reward, you're taking out $1, and a recall with the special reward only puts a $0.25 back in.

If you're in a situation where you need to recall the dog more than once every Several Minutes, they should probably be on leash instead.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

StrixNebulosa posted:




Apollo vs a stick

Super cute dog but my money's on the stick

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Do dogs have a potty training regression at some point? Our golden just turned 7 months, and after 3 months of perfect potty training she's now having a pee and a poo accident per night, three days running. No [other] signs of any health issues, but we wake up in the morning to a HUGE turd, like the size of 4x of her normal daily poops stacked atop each other, and usually one small pee nearby.

Our routine hasn't changed at all - Dinner at 6pm, last drink of water at 8pm, a trip outside to potty at 10:30pm, and then up at 6:00am. She poops and pees regularly throughout the day.

I'd have a fecal check done to make sure she hasn't picked up some gut buddies. The only potty regression my girl had was right before she started her first heat.


GoGoGadgetChris posted:

We trained our dog's recall by using an extremely high value reward (real, boiled chicken) that she only ever got for a successful recall, and never any other time. She knows, "Savannah, COME!" means a ~75% chance of amazing delicious chicken, and it's worth giving up this cool dead possum or tasty pinecone

Recall is such a perishable skill that it helps us to think of it like a piggy bank. Every time you recall without the special reward, you're taking out $1, and a recall with the special reward only puts a $0.25 back in.

This is fantastic advice. If he's already got a habit of blowing you off you may want to train a new emergency recall cue like a whistle or a new word and really build up value like crazy for it. Only use the cue when you're training it/prepared to reward it or it's an emergency. If you're using it to call her away from fun all the time it's no wonder she slowly ambles towards you instead of being snappy.

Also if she's sniffing something interesting and you call her away from it, even if she isn't recalling super fast, if you then say "ok, go sniff" and run over to let her sniff the thing she was interested in you've given her a reward without having to carry a bunch of treats on you constantly. Premack is great for recalls and she'll learn the faster she makes it to you the faster she'll get to go see whatever it is she wanted to see to being with.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Instant Jellyfish posted:

The only potty regression my girl had was right before she started her first heat.


Oh boy... this is potentially it. She's 7 months which would be a reasonable time, I think?

We'll definitely do a fecal as well. She came home from the breeder with Giardia and it seems to never quite go away

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Oh boy... this is potentially it. She's 7 months which would be a reasonable time, I think?

We'll definitely do a fecal as well. She came home from the breeder with Giardia and it seems to never quite go away

My pyr came in for the first time at 13 months and my ACD was 3 weeks before her first birthday but it can really be any time after 5-ish months depending on lines. You might want to ask your breeder when her females usually come in for the first time.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
Very proud of Pongo on his walk tonight. I let him off-leash for a good half mile stretch of trail and he was under 100% voice control the entire time. I did hold his collar for a couple of bikes that passed for their comfort, but otherwise he stayed within ten feet of me.



E: listening takes a lot out of you


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The Slack Lagoon
Jun 17, 2008



Do people have pet insurance for their dog? We have a 1.5 year old Blue Heeler/Lab mix and I keep getting ads for pet insurance. Got an offer through Costco for a 15% discount on a plan with Figo, but the cost seems high? Trying to figure out if it's worth getting the pet insurance.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
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WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

My employer started offering it about a year ago, with three different tiers to select from. I did the math and it didn't seem worth it between the premium, deductive, and copay. Even the premium plan was like $500 deductible and 80/20 with something like $30 or $35 / month premium. That basically means if I have under $1000 of vet expenses per year, it's cheaper to go out of pocket.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

We ended up getting it for our pair. I think the most important thing to check is whether the policy will stay valid, and at the same price, as the dog ages. When our dog was at the end of his life we were easily dropping $500 every time we went to the vet, which was like once a month; if he'd had insurance since he was a puppy we would've had a lot less cost and heartache at the end and overall. But that doesn't help if the cost is gonna suddenly double or the policy will go away, as some do.

Fluffy Bunnies
Jan 10, 2009

The Slack Lagoon posted:

Do people have pet insurance for their dog? We have a 1.5 year old Blue Heeler/Lab mix and I keep getting ads for pet insurance. Got an offer through Costco for a 15% discount on a plan with Figo, but the cost seems high? Trying to figure out if it's worth getting the pet insurance.

My embrace payment is less than $300/month and it's 10-15k coverage for every dog, 80-90% reimbursement, and a few hundred up front for the first treatment. My pets have been with them for 6 years. We're USAA members, though, so it might be a good bit cheaper for us.

They've been pretty drat good to us.

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Check out Healthy Paws Insurance.

My pup has a $100 annual deductible, they reimburse 90% after that, up to $10,000. And it’s only $36 a month.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Anyone else’s dogs just kind of bring them stuff?

Gobi has a bunch of chew stuff, bones and hooves and whatnot, he chews on. Sometimes he brings them to me and I’ll hold them while he chews if it’s kind of a tough spot, or he really wants to tear a piece off.

But sometimes he’ll give me stuff and will refuse to chew it. He’ll just sit there and watch me hold it.
If I put it down he’ll do it again.

Is he just being nice? Does he want me to chew it?

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Anyone else’s dogs just kind of bring them stuff?

Gobi has a bunch of chew stuff, bones and hooves and whatnot, he chews on. Sometimes he brings them to me and I’ll hold them while he chews if it’s kind of a tough spot, or he really wants to tear a piece off.

But sometimes he’ll give me stuff and will refuse to chew it. He’ll just sit there and watch me hold it.
If I put it down he’ll do it again.

Is he just being nice? Does he want me to chew it?

You should toss it for him, or try to play keep away. Apollo fuckin' LOVES keep away, and will sometimes bring sticks and demand you try to chase him. This game is fun for him and also a great way to train/reinforce drop, as if he drops the toy successfully and lets me have it, I'll reward him by instantly tossing it so he can chase it.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Anyone else’s dogs just kind of bring them stuff?

Gobi has a bunch of chew stuff, bones and hooves and whatnot, he chews on. Sometimes he brings them to me and I’ll hold them while he chews if it’s kind of a tough spot, or he really wants to tear a piece off.

But sometimes he’ll give me stuff and will refuse to chew it. He’ll just sit there and watch me hold it.
If I put it down he’ll do it again.

Is he just being nice? Does he want me to chew it?

My dog has started doing this in the morning after walks he grabs a toy and takes it into the bedroom until my wife wakes up. I think he does it because she praises him when he brings her a toy.

Nuclear War
Nov 7, 2012

You're a pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty girl
I'm at my absolute wits end with my whippet and i have no idea what to do. I've had whippets my whole life, and always loved the breed for the chill demeanour and when my last boy died a few years back the lady who owns his mom offered to give me a puppy from the next litter from the same dad, and a mom who i knew to be an awesome dog.

Anyway, he's about 19 months now, (not a covid impulse. i was waiting for him to arrive long before covid) and he's impossible to leave alone. Ive tried every trick in the book that I know, and some others besides but he will SCREAM and bark louder than any dog i ever had. Cant even be left in the car if i go get groceries without screaming loud enough to be heard 5 blocks over. no exaggeration. He's never had any trauma, been with me since 7 weeks, and was perfectly OK as a puppy. this started maybe at 6 months. I've done nothing different with him from.any of my other dogs and its driving me nuts not being able to leave him alone. my neighbours complain, people will call me if he's in the car (phone number listed on the windscreen).
He's perfectly fine if its just me and him. but if there's even one other person like my fiancé in the room he cant calm down. and just paces and barks. i seriously haven't been outside or even in a different room almost without him in months, even groceries is always a quick run downstairs to the deli and back.

He's perfectly fine on walks, i run with him twice a week, walk for a couple hours every day in the woods, and we've been going to supervised dog parks to socialise since forever but as long as there's even one other person around he can't relax, and will not listen to me at all.

I've talked to everyone i know, breeders, facebook "experts", randos at the dog park, vets, everything and no one can understand how such a happy confident dog can freak out the moment he's with a stranger or alone even with me in the next room.

I've had dogs forever, and im lucky enough that I've been able to WFH since he came to me, but thats ending soon and i have no idea how to deal with this. I love the little bastard, but he's not compatible with a normal life and its not like i can afford to buy a house anytime soon where he can scream without upsetting a whole city block.

Tl;dr,
Dog can't be alone, no trauma and was fine for the first partof his life, and can't relax around anyone but me even people he sees every day.

Chimp_On_Stilts
Aug 31, 2004
Holy Hell.
I am aware that dogs can burn their paws on surfaces like concrete, especially on hot sunny summer days, and this is why it's important not to walk on potentially hot surfaces.

If I allow my dog to roam my fenced in yard, will my dog be able to sense if his paws are starting to burn? My assumption is that he can, and that he will naturally avoid burning himself as long as he can move about freely.

He would be free to move around as he saw fit, not leashed. There are hot surfaces which may be too hot in the sun (concrete) and also cool surfaces which definitely won't be (dirt). He would be free to choose what surfaces to stand on, and for how long.

He's very social and wants to be out with me while I'm in the yard, but it's been really hot and sunny for a few days so I have been keeping him inside out of an abundance of caution. If it turns out he will avoid burns, I'll let him be with me while I'm out.

Also, I am aware that he may just get too warm period, even if his paws aren't burning. He has ample access to water and could easily get back inside to the air conditioning. He would always be supervised, this is not a situation where I'd be letting the dog out into a scorcher unsupervised.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

I am aware that dogs can burn their paws on surfaces like concrete, especially on hot sunny summer days, and this is why it's important not to walk on potentially hot surfaces.

If I allow my dog to roam my fenced in yard, will my dog be able to sense if his paws are starting to burn? My assumption is that he can, and that he will naturally avoid burning himself as long as he can move about freely.

He would be free to move around as he saw fit, not leashed. There are hot surfaces which may be too hot in the sun (concrete) and also cool surfaces which definitely won't be (dirt). He would be free to choose what surfaces to stand on, and for how long.

He's very social and wants to be out with me while I'm in the yard, but it's been really hot and sunny for a few days so I have been keeping him inside out of an abundance of caution. If it turns out he will avoid burns, I'll let him be with me while I'm out.

Also, I am aware that he may just get too warm period, even if his paws aren't burning. He has ample access to water and could easily get back inside to the air conditioning. He would always be supervised, this is not a situation where I'd be letting the dog out into a scorcher unsupervised.

Yes, your dog will generally have a self-preservation instinct, most of the time when they're outside and it's that hot they will lay in the grass/dirt when outside, in my experience anyway.

Most of the concrete walking stuff is because folks walk their dogs on the sidewalk etc and prolonged exposure due to that will be the issue.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Nuclear War posted:

Tl;dr,
Dog can't be alone, no trauma and was fine for the first partof his life, and can't relax around anyone but me even people he sees every day.

I would find a veterinary behaviorist either locally or that will do televisits. It sounds like he would benefit from some medical help if you have tried the normal separation anxiety protocols already (if you haven't I'll Be Home Soon and Don't Leave Me! are supposed to be good).

cailleask
May 6, 2007





My high separation anxiety covid puppy is about the same age as yours. She's made MASSIVE strides this month when I started sending her to a very well run doggie daycare 2x / week. She started around where you describe - and today she voluntarily wandered off with a neighbor and their dog, and hung out in their yard for 45 minutes while totally out of sight of me. It's HUGE!

She flipped her poo poo the first time left her again daycare and spent a bunch of time pacing the fence looking for an exit, but they used a lot of gentle positive reinforcement and now she's pretty content to be there.

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
How have you guys desensitized your dogs to other dogs? specifically my dog is reactive to bigger/taller dogs. During walks some people come up with their dogs and she growls and barks. Often she jumps and yelps while she sniffs them then goes back to growling. I don't know anyone with a taller dog but I'm taking her to training starting next month.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


We've been lucky that Jarvis is pathologically social.

3lb Yokie? Hi buddy!
150lb Newfie? Hi buddy!

The only dogs he hasn been a fan of are a pair of labs belonging to friends of ours. They're aggressively friendly to the point where it bothers him, so he tucks the tail and hides instead.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

How have you guys desensitized your dogs to other dogs? specifically my dog is reactive to bigger/taller dogs. During walks some people come up with their dogs and she growls and barks. Often she jumps and yelps while she sniffs them then goes back to growling. I don't know anyone with a taller dog but I'm taking her to training starting next month.

Check out Grisha Stewart's Behavior Adjustment Training book. In general, meeting on leash is a tense situation for dogs because they can't move naturally or give themselves distance if they need it so I avoid leash greetings as much as possible. Going to a dog park or pet store parking lot and working on Look At That with the dogs coming in and out while giving yourself enough space that your dog isn't growling can also be a good way to get her more comfortable seeing dogs she might find scary.

Here's how to teach Look At That, if you're a reader you can find it in Leslie McDevitt's Control Unleashed books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oor3OJaRevg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdraNF2hcgA

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



StrixNebulosa posted:

You should toss it for him, or try to play keep away. Apollo fuckin' LOVES keep away, and will sometimes bring sticks and demand you try to chase him. This game is fun for him and also a great way to train/reinforce drop, as if he drops the toy successfully and lets me have it, I'll reward him by instantly tossing it so he can chase it.

The thing is, these are not his fetch/play toys, they are his chew toys. I’ll throw his fetch toys and he’ll play, but with these ones he’ll bring them and I think he wants me to hold them while he chews, but then he just looks at me.

He’s also not a big keep-away guy. He’s got crazy prey instincts so he wants to chase anything moving, but when it stops he’s done.


HootTheOwl posted:

My dog has started doing this in the morning after walks he grabs a toy and takes it into the bedroom until my wife wakes up. I think he does it because she praises him when he brings her a toy.

He may be just associating “good” with “toy”, and bringing it to me. It’s just weird cause I’ll take it, hold it for a minute, then set it down. He’ll kind of dart his eyes back and forth between it and me before wandering off.

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
Yesterday we brought home a new pup from a local shelter, and we’re beginning the long process of crate training, house-training, and all the other goodies. Just excited this thread is here for the hard days when the puppy-blues hit harder than others. It’s our second dog (we lost our first dog about two months ago) and we wanted to give another little stinker a home.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Jcam posted:

Yesterday we brought home a new pup from a local shelter, and we’re beginning the long process of crate training, house-training, and all the other goodies. Just excited this thread is here for the hard days when the puppy-blues hit harder than others. It’s our second dog (we lost our first dog about two months ago) and we wanted to give another little stinker a home.

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just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now
Is anyone here familiar with German Shorthaired Pointers, specifically the breeding culture(?) for them?

My brother-in-law was a breeder of a different breed in Canada and so I asked him what to look for in a quality breeder. He offered a lot of solid advice, but one thing he said was very important was finding a breeder who was involved with the Canadian Kennel Club and competed with them. I'm having trouble with that for Pointers and I'm wondering if it's just the nature of the breed. For the breeders in my area, I can find references to them in hunting forums, and for some of the breeders I see that their dogs have participated in hunting-related competitions outside the CKC, or have hunting-related certifications from Germany (for example). But none seem active in the CKC.

Is that to be expected or should I be looking farther afield for CKC-involved breeders?

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



For a lot of hunting breeds there is a split between KC registered show stock and functional working stock. There's some crossover but for the vast majority of hunters looking to buy a GSP to go hunting with a KC CH means nothing to them. Are you looking for a pet GSP or a hunting GSP? If you want a pet dog a CKC registered show line might be easier to live with and the CKC has a list of breeders. I have a friend with GSPs and hers are both pets from hunting breeders and do just fine though. Just let any breeder you talk to know exactly what you want to do with your dog and let them guide you. I think the big thing you're going to want to look for with either option is that they have done all appropriate health testing and can show you proof. At least in America a fully health tested dog has had their hips, elbows, eyes and heart tested as well as a cone degeneration genetic test. At very least I'd want to see hip and elbow evaluations.

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ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

You'll typically have 3 types of breeders:

Show/family dogs: These will compete in CKC shows and will typically be your best bet for healthy purebreed family dog. They are bred for behaviour and shape.
While they should be healthy, it's worth investigating. GSD show dogs, for instance, are near invalid, with their weird back/hip shapes, which is seemingly 'fashionable' for the show line.

Working dogs: They breed hunting/working dogs. These will most likely be the most healthy dogs, but they are bred to work. This can make them unsuitable as a pure pet/family dog, depending on your willingness to train/work the dog. They will go nuts, if they are not 'worked'. Many breeders will compete in hunting oriented competitions, which sounds like the ones you are currently looking at.

Backyard breeders/puppy mills. They will not compete in anything and while they may be CKC registered, it doesn't really mean anything. Prices will typically be 50% less than 'proper' breeders, but you'll struggle to get linage, health & temperament screenings etc. Avoid at all cost.

This site seems to have a handful of breeders, some pure hunting, some a mix.
http://gspcanada.com/breeders-list/

These seem to provide more family style dogs:
http://hunterspridegsp.com/

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