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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Put a couple fans as intake in the bottom of the case blowing directly into your GPU. Two more fans in the front, also as intake. The air will escape out the back and top naturally without additional fans. A single exhaust flan blowing up in the rearmost top position may also help, though with tower coolers that tends to not help a ton. The frontmost top position often hurts tower coolers more than it helps due to it sucking out fresh air before it can reach the cooler. The four-fan config should be good enough, though. That kind of upwards air movement does hurt CPU thermals since the cooler will be eating GPU exhaust, but not by much as long as you have enough fresh air coming in from the front. I'm not married specifically to that case, but I do want something that looks like a repurposed fishtank. I'm also open to ditching a tower cooler in favor of an AIO, and it doesn't have to be a "relatively cheap" one. So if you have other suggestions for AIO that you think look better, and more importantly are quiet, I'm interested! Butterfly Valley posted:Because its way incompatible with the case, which has a maximum air cooler height of 150mm with the Fuma 2 being 155mm. Missed that, thank you! Hesh Ballantine fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Hesh Ballantine posted:I'm not married specifically to that case, but I do want something that looks like a repurposed fishtank. Consider the Lian Li PC O11, I think that's the go to fishtank style case. You'll want an AIO in there though definitely.
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The nicest looking AIO is in my opinion the NZXT Kraken series. The X53 is the one you want for the 280X since it only lists compatibility for 240mm radiators. For the fish tank look though, nothing beats the O11 Dynamic. Moving the fans from the front to the side is key, it gives you an unobstructed view from two sides. Phanteks put out a decent copycat under an imprint, the MetallicGear NEO Qube. Going with ALL THE FANS in either of those will certainly keep your build running cool—a 360mm radiator on the side, and three fans each on the top and bottom, like in the promo shots for the qube.
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PCPartPicker Part List CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor (€410.95 @ Amazon France) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A 60.09 CFM CPU Cooler (€109.90 @ Amazon France) Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard (€265.98 @ Alternate) Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€210.38 @ Amazon France) Storage: Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€207.66 @ Amazon France) Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card Case: be quiet! Dark Base Pro 900 Rev. 2 ATX Full Tower Case (€241.88 @ Alternate) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€149.90 @ Cdiscount) Total: €1596.65 What country are you in? France What are you using the system for? Gaming mostly What's your budget? 1500/2000 without card If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? 1440p / 144hz, I'd like "Ultra presets as fast as possible" Carrying over a 3070; current prices in France for a 3080 is between 1200/1800 euros (when you can find one), 2k for a 3080 ti and 3k+ for a 3090; I'm happy to make do with my current card till the 3080s go down in price (which they seem to be doing, slowly). Thoughts?
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Carrying over a 3070? I hope you mean 2070, and even then I'd say you're upgrading too soon. If you want a 3080 at rrp get on the StockDrops discord, I got my 3080 from ldlc.fr at RRP back in November and I've had many chances since then to have bought another 30 series card.
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Otherwise: For 1440p gaming the difference between the 5800x and the €100 cheaper 5600x is negligible, the Scythe fuma 2 is a better performing air cooler for nearly half the price, you most likely don't need an x570 motherboard, b550 boards are enough for the majority of users, try to get 3600 speed RAM instead as that does have tangible benefits and at your budget you can afford it, you probably don't need a PCIe 4 NVMe at this point as there is literally no perceptible difference in speed in gaming/general PC use, and finally what does that fuckoff huge and expensive case offer that you can't get in something €100 cheaper while still being high quality and having all the room you need?
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I agree with most of that, but sometimes you just want a fuckoff huge monolith on your desk I guess, no judgment there. The design is suboptimal when it comes to airflow, but that case seems like it has decent corner vents, and you can usually brute force such airflow problems with more fans. And you can always just leave the front panel open I guess. The Silent Base 802 has a swappable front-panel design, so you can still get that solid panel look if you want. And it's cheaper, so unless you need the extra space the Dark Base offers, it's probably the better buy. edit: or alternatively you go the other route and get the biggest of big chungus cases out there 
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Thanks both! I actually didn't mean to pick a full tower case, must have misclicked on PCpartspicker somewhere. Also joined the Discord, thanks for the heads-up. To address follow-ups: 1400p @144hz seems to slightly struggle on a 3070, especially with raytracing on; since someone will still be using the old system (with an old 1080 they have) I thought I'd upgrade to a 3080 once prices are closer to RRP and give them the 3070. I've changed the CPU, Motherboard, RAM (also meant to be 3600 in the first place) and hard disk based on your suggestions: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (€285.00 @ Amazon France) CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€64.88 @ Alternate) Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard (€204.94 @ TopAchat) Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€204.99 @ Corsair) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (€99.99 @ Cdiscount) Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card Case: Fractal Design Meshify S2 ATX Mid Tower Case (€174.98 @ Amazon France) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€149.90 @ Cdiscount) Total: €1184.68 That means even with a 3080 at current inflated prices I'd be staying below 2.5k, which is tempting...but I'll still probably wait for a price drop. Reckon it's possible they'll go below 1k?
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canepazzo posted:To address follow-ups: 1400p @144hz seems to slightly struggle on a 3070, especially with raytracing on; since someone will still be using the old system (with an old 1080 they have) I thought I'd upgrade to a 3080 once prices are closer to RRP and give them the 3070 OK fair enough, I have a 3080 powering my 144hz 1440p screen so I can't say it's not worth it and you're doing something good with the 3070. canepazzo posted:That means even with a 3080 at current inflated prices I'd be staying below 2.5k, which is tempting...but I'll still probably wait for a price drop. Reckon it's possible they'll go below 1k? Given that you already have the 3070 and no pressing need to immediately upgrade I'd say wait for the next stock drop on LDLC where they're sold at MSRP. In my local Facebook marketplace I can see the scalpers have had to lower their prices and are selling their 3080s for close to €1000 so at least things are trending in the right direction, but don't encourage them by buying one now when you don't absolutely need it. Edit: you want 3600 CL16 RAM.
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This is only tangentially related, but after swapping all of my components onto an ITX MOBO and putting everything in a smaller case, my PC won't stop waking up from hibernation in the middle of the night or at the slightest vibration. I've disabled letting windows wake it from sleep in the power settings, turned that off for the mouse and wifi adapter and everywhere else I could, but it keeps happening even though it's the same HD as my old build and it never happened there. Any idea of what's causing this? I keep seeing my RAM LEDs go on in the middle of the night and have to repeatedly go over and turn it back off.
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My 3080 also struggles to hit 144hz with raytracing at 1440p, and that’s in non-CPU bound games (I have a 7700k). Raytracing is brutal. It’s the kind of tech you generally want to target 60FPS for.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Consider the Lian Li PC O11, I think that's the go to fishtank style case. You'll want an AIO in there though definitely. Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The nicest looking AIO is in my opinion the NZXT Kraken series. The X53 is the one you want for the 280X since it only lists compatibility for 240mm radiators. Do either of you have an opinion on the Lian Li O11D Mini? I know I'm pushing on levers that go in opposite directions - I want a smaller (though not SFF territory) presence on my desk, but also want the fishtank, and the cooling. If you think it's a no go, I'll defer to wisdom and go with the full ATX O11D. edit: also, do you think the WD black SN850 is overkill? I'm told, anecdotally, that it is "substantially faster" than the blue 550, but it's also twice the money. I don't mind spending if it's worth it though. Hesh Ballantine fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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So my friend is looking into building a modest PC. Here are the details: - Country: US - Main use: Coding/Gaming. For gaming they’re mainly aiming to play the latest Sims game (4?) and some other stuff like the Gloomhaven pc game, so overall nothing super intensive. Some typical office stuff too, but nothing crazy. - budget: they would like to stay around 600-800 dollars As far as the monitors go, I’m guess they will be 1080p. Nothing fancy Any help would be appreciated!!
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LuckyCat posted:Welp my worst fears were realized. I got the build together and everything works great… but it’s having the exact same issue as my previous pc. The only component in common is the GPU. Alright I have achieved some success with undervolting. Here is where the curve is currently but I think there's more room to undervolt because I'm still getting crashes on newer games with nicer graphics.  Would an alternate cooling solution help? What would cause things to crash like this that would be improved with undervolting? As far as I can tell it is not temp related unless Afterburner is incorrectly reporting solid temps.
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If temps are 70s or below is likely not temp related. I don’t have much undervolt experience so I can’t help much there. The OC thread maybe?
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change my name posted:This is only tangentially related, but after swapping all of my components onto an ITX MOBO and putting everything in a smaller case, my PC won't stop waking up from hibernation in the middle of the night or at the slightest vibration. I've disabled letting windows wake it from sleep in the power settings, turned that off for the mouse and wifi adapter and everywhere else I could, but it keeps happening even though it's the same HD as my old build and it never happened there. Any idea of what's causing this? I keep seeing my RAM LEDs go on in the middle of the night and have to repeatedly go over and turn it back off. I had this same issue and I found that in my case, this was the solution - has been working so far at least.
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canepazzo posted:I had this same issue and I found that in my case, this was the solution - has been working so far at least. Already did this, it has been disabled
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I am in search of a new ATX case and it turns out hanging the computer under the desk rules out the standard Fractal Design choices because the buttons and ports are at the top. What are the good case options with those at the front. I would also like to keep my DVD-drive for the occasional CD ripping, but I guess there are now cases that put the 5.25 bay at the bottom in the PSU tunnel, so time to give up on that.
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Saukkis posted:I am in search of a new ATX case and it turns out hanging the computer under the desk rules out the standard Fractal Design choices because the buttons and ports are at the top. What are the good case options with those at the front. I think for most modern optical drive use most people just use an external USB unit. I hung on to my bluray burner for years and years but I honestly can't remember the last time I even opened the thing. Someday I'll get around to ripping my entire CD collection to FLAC but any old PC I have laying around can handle that.
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I've been thinking of buying a new case because the current one is an older model and I've never gotten good airflow in there. How dangerous/difficult is it to keep a build identical, but move it to a new case (without breaking anything obv) double nine fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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double nine posted:How dangerous/difficult is it to keep a build identical, but move it to a new case (without breaking anything obv) It's not dangerous or difficult at all. It's just disassembling something you assembled and then putting it all back together again. It's just kind of time consuming and a waste of time unless there is something you really want in a new case (windows... more space... a lot better cooling...)
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Hesh Ballantine posted:Do either of you have an opinion on the Lian Li O11D Mini? I know I'm pushing on levers that go in opposite directions - I want a smaller (though not SFF territory) presence on my desk, but also want the fishtank, and the cooling. If you think it's a no go, I'll defer to wisdom and go with the full ATX O11D. The O11 Mini is good. Here's a video reviewing it and showing off one potential build. Fans blowing directly into the GPU keep it cool, and the CPU doesn't suffer with an AIO water cooler. This is actually the direction I'm leaning in for my next build. Be aware that despite being small, the O11 Mini is not really a small footprint case since it's so wide. It is short though, so what it won't do is loom over you. And yes, the SN850 is overkill. I say this as an SN850 owner haha. Perhaps your friend made other upgrades at the same time as their SN850? I have the SN850 as well as a Firecuda 510, a PCIe Gen 3 drive that's also faster than the SN550 on paper. In terms of tangible speed benefits, you get maybe a second or two faster boot times on the SN850. App load times don't really seem much faster than from my Firecuda 510. Game load times are maybe a second or two faster. It's real marginal. If you really want something faster than the SN550, then my suggestion would be the Inland Premium for $10 to $15 more at 1TB. The SN550 is DRAM-less, while the Inland Premium has DRAM and faster read/write speeds. If there are any tangible performance gains to be had by upgrading from an SN550, then upgrading to a Gen 3 drive with DRAM like the Inland Premium will get you most of the way there. Going even faster is pretty pointless with the way computers work right now. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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double nine posted:I've been thinking of buying a new case because the current one is an older model and I've never gotten good airflow in there. It's neither dangerous nor difficult, though I would advise using proper ESD gear, mostly a wrist strap and a pad to set your components on when they're in neither case. Assuming your case has any room at all I expect it would be easier and cheaper to add 1-2 more case fans to get more air flowing through it.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The O11 Mini is good. Here's a video reviewing it and showing off one potential build. Fans blowing directly into the GPU keep it cool, and the CPU doesn't suffer with an AIO water cooler. This is actually the direction I'm leaning in for my next build. Be aware that despite being small, the O11 is not really a small footprint case since it's so wide. It is short though, so what it won't do is loom over you. 
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I guess Falcon Northwest's obscene pricing at least gets you a nice looking product. That is some interesting cable routing.
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I didn't know about them before, but apparently the cables are all from CableMod Guess I know what I'm using from now on. e: they even make completely custom lengths and colors and types, built-to-order PRADA SLUT fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Takes No Damage posted:I think for most modern optical drive use most people just use an external USB unit. I got USB to compatible interface connection and just use my former internal BluRay as an external drive. Same with some USBs to IDEs and SATAs for both HDDs and SSDs. My happiest find was a USB to FDD for my old floppy drive. I still have like 300 floppies in the closet and around half are full of ancient wisdom, AD&D files and programs, and like 14 original TIE Fighter floppies still in order with none missing. And plenty of early ‘90s porn so my parents wouldn’t find porn on my Win 3.1 directories. Jerkin’ Pixels one row at a time…
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That is exactly the perfect kind of cost is no object and I don’t want to build machine. High quality, good setup and support, no or minimal skimping. You’re paying for all of that, and a generous % premium, but it’s probably worth it over nearly every other option in that price range.
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CoolCab posted:the RGB eagle knows why you turned him on and objects. hello PRADA SLUT, YOu are quiteGOOD at TURNing me On DerekSmartymans posted:And plenty of early ‘90s porn so my parents wouldn’t find porn on my Win 3.1 directories. Jerkin’ Pixels one row at a time… Heh, I recently stumbled across an archive of old CD ROM ISOs and at least half of them are 90s/early 2000s porn. I downloaded a few (for research purposes only) and even on a modern system you can barely see what's happening, actual postage stamp resolutions. Amazing what the human mind can become nostalgic for...
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Takes No Damage posted:hello PRADA SLUT, YOu are quiteGOOD at TURNing me On Any boy who grew up in the 80’s learned how to see naked body parts in a scrambled cable picture. The signal randomly gave a good picture, but even those fleeting few moments would be a green and purple boob or butt. Or a garbage bag full of Oui, Hustler, and rear end Blaster magazines on the railroad tracks or in the woods. The videos (VHS) at the time we’re SD, and downloads took waaay too long. Now my phone can present me with any (legal) scenarios and number of nekkid women on demand. Nostalgia hasn’t got nuthin’ on 2021 internet and streaming video.
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DerekSmartymans posted:Or a garbage bag full of Oui, Hustler, and rear end Blaster magazines on the railroad tracks or in the woods. The videos (VHS) at the time we’re SD, and downloads took waaay too long.
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Takes No Damage posted:hello PRADA SLUT, YOu are quiteGOOD at TURNing me On When LGR did a video on the Monorail a while back the one he had was absolutely rammed with early internet porn.
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njsykora posted:When LGR did a video on the Monorail a while back the one he had was absolutely rammed with early internet porn. Just looked this up and learned that there was actually a practical use to the mouse cursor trails option that I always kept enabled throughout the 90s despite always having massive CRTs for our home PCs 
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PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£249.00 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.99 @ Amazon UK) Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (£80.39 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£175.49 @ Amazon UK) Case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (£98.99 @ Box Limited) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£86.93 @ Amazon UK) Total: £810.79 What country are you in? UK What are you using the system for? Gaming What's your budget? around £900 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? 3440x1440 60Hz I've got a 970 I'm using for now which I'm hoping to replace with a 3080 when prices come down enough. Is there anything obvious I'm missing/any reasonably priced improvements I could make here? Not looking to overclock anything and not overly concerned about noise.
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Decided it's time to begin the upgrade journey. Been running the same old Core i5 2500k build now forever and Hell Let Loose looks like dogshit. I live in the US. Reading the thread, it's amazing to see the difference in component prices between countries. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($288.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Best Buy) Total: $843.95 I'm going to stick with my old GTX 970 for the time being, let the GPU wars die down unless anyone has a reasonable suggestion. I also have an absolutely enormous Corsair Vengeance Case but I would love to hear some suggestions on something smaller, simpler. The vengeance was a nice looking case at the time and I dig the brushed aluminum exterior but it's stupid big. Thanks in advance. Edit: Sorry, I realized that I forgot some of the details: What country are you in? US What are you using the system for? Gaming What's your budget? ~$1000 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? Currently 1980x1080 @ 60Hz but I would like to pick up a 144hz monitor Penitent fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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