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ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

What's the appeal of the Taliban for its members? Seems like a quite unpleasant group to throw your lot in with.

i once read that if you tried to settle a legal dispute using the government, you would spend years and years in litigation, having to pay bribes all the way, and may never even get a resolution for something as simple as a property disagreement between neighbors. whereas the taliban would give a ruling after a few days

i'm sure there's more to it than that but it's an interesting reason that someone who isn't even interested in other taliban stuff would go to them for normal government functions

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Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Islamic Republic of Saigon, founded 11th September 2021

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


lol

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

ELTON JOHN posted:

i once read that if you tried to settle a legal dispute using the government, you would spend years and years in litigation, having to pay bribes all the way, and may never even get a resolution for something as simple as a property disagreement between neighbors. whereas the taliban would give a ruling after a few days

i'm sure there's more to it than that but it's an interesting reason that someone who isn't even interested in other taliban stuff would go to them for normal government functions

this is also why ISIS swept thru the middle east so hard, i'm reasonably sure

wolfs
Jul 17, 2001

posted by squid gang

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I hope our special forces make it home OK, so when social order starts to break down at home they can form death squads and canoe my neighbors at 2am.

boomerang effect baby awooo!!!!

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1426496493326843911?s=21

https://twitter.com/natsecjeff/status/1426496476398641152?s=21

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

What's the appeal of the Taliban for its members? Seems like a quite unpleasant group to throw your lot in with.

Darth Walrus posted:

As mentioned, human rights cover many different topics. The Taliban are much less likely to rape little boys (bacha bazi was and is a powerful recruitment tool), bomb your entire village into dust, or send the psychotic death squads of the Zero Units through your region (when the news refers to 'Afghan special forces' as the core of the national army, that's who they're talking about). The occupation government ruled more through a monopoly on violence than any serious attempt to establish goodwill and sustainable livelihoods, which is why they're evaporating so fast. The Taliban may be rear end in a top hat fundamentalists, but they could at least make a more credible promise of peace, security, and stable governance.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426490812725088259?s=19

Looks like that didn't go as planned.

Also looks like Ghani's not resigning and pointlessly dragging the war out for a few more days.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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PawParole posted:

Common sense

Lib in a not-racist tone: Look at all these dumbasses rejecting our gift of glorious freedum

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

ELTON JOHN posted:

i once read that if you tried to settle a legal dispute using the government, you would spend years and years in litigation, having to pay bribes all the way, and may never even get a resolution for something as simple as a property disagreement between neighbors. whereas the taliban would give a ruling after a few days

i'm sure there's more to it than that but it's an interesting reason that someone who isn't even interested in other taliban stuff would go to them for normal government functions

I also read another motivation in a contested area was you had to deal with shakedowns "protection money" payments from both the Taliban and corrupt government officials.

Most people ended up preferring the above just to avoid being caught in a military crossfire and also "protection money" shakedowns both opposing factions.

The funny COV19 Story (Taliban took it seriously) also showed how the the central government was clueless how to successfully run day to day administration in areas they marginally controlled.



I'm also lolling how the GOP is making the classic "Weak on Terror" PR Spin even though the whole Afghanistan mess was done by W back in the day to improve his polling.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

etalian posted:

The funny COV19 Story (Taliban took it seriously) also showed how the the central government was clueless how to successfully run day to day administration in areas they marginally controlled.

The Taliban are putting their civil administration into place very quickly.

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426449628472430593?s=19

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426444849662894084?s=19

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426440224436113410?s=19

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426433491500142595?s=19

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426329495544467456?s=19

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

OhFunny posted:

The Taliban are putting their civil administration into place very quickly.

Lmao using the game plan straight from Mao's book on how to win a asymmetric war against a seemingly "stronger" central government.

One of the main root causes for why the supposedly 300k strong central government military fell apart in little under a month is they couldn't even get the basics like
logistics right (regular pay, supplies and new equipment).

I can't imagine a government with this level of competency would be any better on the civil administration side.

etalian has issued a correction as of 12:34 on Aug 14, 2021

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

CSPAM when another US military adventure ends in a complete failure

https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1426131780533358592

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
wait, the taliban aren’t the bad guys?

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
All sides involved in this are the bad guys.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

turns out that free-market self-interest is not a very good ideological base for setting up a functioning state

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

also the taliban are loving terrible, they're hardline religious puritans who sincerely and deeply hate women and idolatry. they're saudi arabia if saudi arabia was a scrappy upstart rather than an insanely wealthy petrostate

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

wait, the taliban aren’t the bad guys?

Well maybe it's more like the joy of when a team back by millions of dollars / Can't Lose (NY Yankees) ends up choking in the post-season

etalian has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Aug 14, 2021

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/1027375958/taliban-afghanistan-takeover-the-world-humanitarian-china-pakistan

Liberal Pravda mad that the US failed another military adventure / nation building attempt.

lol

quote:

1. Afghanistan will become a human rights problem
2. China could gain a foothold in the region

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
my lib friends think we should have given female intellectuals weapons to push back

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Taliban is just a bunch of bros trying to have a good time and going hard for the hood

Honestly, if I could go back in time, I would be illiterate in a heartbeat so the ladies of Afghanistan being banished from schooling is nbd imo

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Wonder how long until the rest of central government do the classic cash grab / swiss bank account and flee to Dubai game plan...

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Relin posted:

my lib friends think we should have given female intellectuals weapons to push back

when the maoists rose up in Oman they turned their women's education centers into bootcamps
welcome your friend into the tankie fold

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Taliban seem to be at the gates of Mazar E Sharif which is Dostums main stronghold

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426526038960508930?s=20

Also LOL poor CIA:-

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426535107406569481?s=20

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 14:28 on Aug 14, 2021

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

etalian posted:

lmao at any country that willingly signed up to invade Iraq/Afghanistan along with the USA.

The only way Canada is staying out of a USA war is if it ends up in a war with USA.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lostconfused posted:

The only way Canada is staying out of a USA war is if it ends up in a war with USA.

I reminder all the cheesy reasoning from countries like the UK, we were just supporting our ally (that made things up!)

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

wait, the taliban aren’t the bad guys?

quote:

The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism
[...]
There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

I was sincerely hoping these freaks would fight to the death. Shame on the Talibs for allowing them to surrender.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

hmm so you don’t have to fire the entire civil service and municipal workers after an invasion? probably should have told someone that after iraq fell

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426490812725088259?s=19

Looks like that didn't go as planned.

Also looks like Ghani's not resigning and pointlessly dragging the war out for a few more days.

if anyone deserves to face the Taliban's justice system, it's the CIA collaborators

Wakko
Jun 9, 2002
Faboo!

V. Illych L. posted:

turns out that free-market self-interest is not a very good ideological base for setting up a functioning state

yea the talibans lil slice of islam is a nightmare but its still a more useful religion for pulling together a functional state than the wests money-worship, self-worship or celebrity idolatry religions.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

I’m just really sad for all the horrible poo poo that’s going to be allowed to happen in Afghanistan again with us gone and nobody to stop it

There’s going to be weddings and funerals, people gathering without any regard to the fact that they shouldn’t be gathering

Hopefully we keep the drones on patrol so that it doesn’t get out of hand

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Atrocious Joe posted:

if anyone deserves to face the Taliban's justice system, it's the CIA collaborators

If I never killed for the CIA how would real victims like me pay for muh college

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
From one month ago, today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebPzXv_AsWQ

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

lmao

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
The only shame about this is more Americans didn't die in Afghanistan

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

wait, the taliban aren’t the bad guys?

everyone's the bad guys, the Taliban are just the more competent bad guys

Sad Billionaire
Mar 31, 2009

What a twist
Fan of Britches
lol that 99% of americans will place the blame on the people who decided 20 years was long enough and not on the people who had 20 years to build up Afghanistan and spent that time leeching their economy and bankrolling death squads

Sad Billionaire
Mar 31, 2009

What a twist
Fan of Britches
i am aware that many of these are the same people dont @ me

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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Sad Billionaire posted:

i am aware that many of these are the same people dont @ me

I genuinely wonder what George W Bush thinks about the Taliban winning in the end but something tells me he genuinely doesnt give a poo poo one way or another.

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