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"Please Mister Warlord Sir, don't decapitate and/or ransom our diplomats or we might have to engage in fisticuffs!"  I can already hear the midterm and 2024 "we could've withdrawn with ~~~HONOURE~~~ but instead we slunk out like cowards" ads.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:21
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Did anyone ever just ask the Taliban to do something nicely? Like maybe we could have gone over there and just asked them to send out bin laden in 2001 and then just going home.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:24
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Yeah I’d rather fight the US than each other if they successfully take over. Much easier to run a narco insurgency than a nation.
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Aug 14, 2021 19:27
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The situation would have required literal nation-building and there was no will for something like that. That would have required nuance, understanding, and diplomacy. Instead the ghouls in charge of the money wanted money. They rode off the anger from 9/11 to ignore that and throw the military in to a region of completely unaffiliated (at best, if not outright hostile to each other) local warlords and tribal leaders that had lines drawn around them on a map that they didn't give a gently caress about as a "nation", and told the military "Fix this, I guess, whatever. I'm going to go sign this MIC contract. Laters."
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Aug 14, 2021 19:30
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That Works posted:Did anyone ever just ask the Taliban to do something nicely? Like maybe we could have gone over there and just asked them to send out bin laden in 2001 and then just going home. But then we'd have denied so many corporations the chance to profit off of soldiers' blood and time for two decades! All those defense contractors were *STARVING* after eight years of Billy Boy! He only let them bomb a *little*, and only really when he needed his approval rating to stay around 50%! Also, I'd imagine even though he'd been in Abbotabad for five years prior to getting iced by Book Club 6, he'd probably been in Pakistan proper for far longer, just not in an urban setting. Oh, and..."we don't negotiate with terrorists."  ...except when we're trying to get them to take a breather so our diplomats (but not their in-country support staffs) can leave the country without quite literally losing their heads. >.> BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 19:30
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That Works posted:Did anyone ever just ask the Taliban to do something nicely? Like maybe we could have gone over there and just asked them to send out bin laden in 2001 and then just going home. There were some moves to that early on but were dismissed by the US as stalling, etc. f/e: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 https://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/07/ret.us.taliban/
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Aug 14, 2021 19:39
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Seeing tweets saying that Dostum has fled to Uzbekistan so that's not a great sign for the "federal" government
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Aug 14, 2021 19:40
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:https://twitter.com/miirwais/status/1426521674334232577?s=19 Shades of kurds throwing rocks after we fed them to the turks
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Aug 14, 2021 20:12
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Erghh posted:There were some moves to that early on but were dismissed by the US as stalling, etc. lmao I was joking entirely but jfc I imagine how things might have gone if the Taliban had just handed over Bin Laden less than 2 months after 9/11
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Aug 14, 2021 20:19
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I don't think it would have mattered. The public wanted blood
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Aug 14, 2021 20:22
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Aug 14, 2021 21:06
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Milo and POTUS posted:I don't think it would have mattered. The public wanted blood The best thing to do was probably some variation of nothing and good luck with that. Everyone was thanking their lucky stars we had Bush and not Gore cause "We need a strong wartime leader that has a backbone and will stand up to them" or some poo poo.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:19
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This deserves more than a tweet. This needs to be framed somewhere.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:26
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lightpole posted:The best thing to do was probably some variation of nothing and good luck with that. Everyone was thanking their lucky stars we had Bush and not Gore cause "We need a strong wartime leader that has a backbone and will stand up to them" or some poo poo. Stimulus checks. Bush promised stimulus checks. It was even parodied on Futurama. Bender buys burglary tools.
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Aug 14, 2021 21:29
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Nick Soapdish posted:Seeing tweets saying that Dostum has fled to Uzbekistan so that's not a great sign for the "federal" government tbh Dostum is probably the guy Afghanistan needs now. Sure he'll be a dictator but at least he can lead strongly until he gets coup'd and the next guy comes along. I'm sad about the Hazara to the north who were really screwed under the Taliban in the 90s
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Aug 14, 2021 21:30
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why didn't we just arrange an orderly transition to the taliban in the first place it's not like we had any face left to save by the time we pulled out although i guess that wouldn't look much different from what's happening now Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 22:06
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bird food bathtub posted:The situation would have required literal nation-building There's a certain amount of demands you could comfortably make of post war Germany and Japan without the rest of the world and your own citizenry calling you a colonizer. And while the US certainly didn't escape that moniker, I suspect that we had a lot more heart for carrots than sticks. Bending and warping a people's will to match your own--to 'build' a nation--may require a stick, but the American people and the international community (overall) wouldn't have gone for that.
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Aug 14, 2021 23:34
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Nick Soapdish posted:Seeing tweets saying that Dostum has fled to Uzbekistan so that's not a great sign for the "federal" government If nothing else, that piece of poo poo has ALWAYS been pragmatic. You honestly have to give him credit. First he was fighting on the side of the communist Afghan government during the Afghan Civil War following the Soviet withdrawal. He fought fiercely against Ahmad Shah Massoud, Engineer Aref, and what would become the Northern Alliance. He saw the writing on the wall, him and his men switched sides, and he joined the Northern Alliance, becoming one of Massoud's strongest generals. He fought against the Taliban for years. After Massoud was assasinated, poo poo looked pretty grave. We didn't know if the NA could be held together. But General Fahim, alongside some top LTs like Engineer Aref and others, were able to hold it together. Alongside the Jawbreaker team from CIA (then later the ODAs) they held strong. Dostum stayed loyal to the NA for the whole fight against the Taliban. Then he angled himself a top government post in the new government (not an easy task), and was just as corrupt as Karzai and his brother. Now he sees the writing on the wall once again. Dude's a pragmatic man. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 23:39
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a big mess https://twitter.com/UKDefJournal/status/1426639323609411587
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Aug 15, 2021 00:07
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Really makes the enormous defense budget all worth it.
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Aug 15, 2021 00:24
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They’ll probably wait outside Kabul until the Americans leave just because it’s not worth the aggravation.
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Aug 15, 2021 00:26
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Seeing pictures of all the rooms of M4s and other stuff left behind by ANA are making me think of what sweet bringbracks the next generation of soldiers to invade Afghanistan will try to take home. “Oh boy, an M4A1 with a AN/PEQ-2, just like the one Grandpa used!”
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Aug 15, 2021 00:28
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Don't worry guys, Tim Kennedy is on the case.  https://twitter.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/1426186675294724102?s=20 pantslesswithwolves posted:Seeing pictures of all the rooms of M4s and other stuff left behind by ANA are making me think of what sweet bringbracks the next generation of soldiers to invade Afghanistan will try to take home. 
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Aug 15, 2021 00:36
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Spending money on the arts is a waste they said
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Aug 15, 2021 00:44
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That Works posted:Spending money on the arts is a waste they said who's going to pay for that aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Aug 15, 2021 01:04
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Grip it and rip it posted:Did the US ever actually take any necessary steps to try abd build a functioning government in Afghanistan? Seems like no one domestically gave a poo poo about what happened there.
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Aug 15, 2021 01:45
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Bored As gently caress posted:If nothing else, that piece of poo poo has ALWAYS been pragmatic.  https://twitter.com/bsarwary/status/1426624176073367554?s=19
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Aug 15, 2021 02:14
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lmao that Sergeant Major of the Afghan Army that I met will never see his dream fulfilled of running a McDonald's in Afghanistan.
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Aug 15, 2021 02:16
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holy poo poo that living room lmao
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Aug 15, 2021 02:17
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Did he get decorating tips from Trump?
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Aug 15, 2021 02:21
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The absolute mountains of hardware left behind for the Taliban just boggles the mind. https://twitter.com/Zoya_nafidi/status/1426421162397995010
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Aug 15, 2021 02:40
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Holy poo poo, that rear end in a top hat did pretty well for himself for nearly 20 years. Went from a dusty compound in bumfuck, northeastern Afghanistan, to living like a king for 20 years.
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Aug 15, 2021 02:43
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Seeing pictures of all the rooms of M4s and other stuff left behind by ANA are making me think of what sweet bringbracks the next generation of soldiers to invade Afghanistan will try to take home. It's so depressing
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Aug 15, 2021 02:50
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Fallom posted:holy poo poo that living room lmao Taliban visits Robot Restaurant
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Aug 15, 2021 02:56
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piL posted:Taliban visits Robot Restaurant lmao nailed it
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Aug 15, 2021 03:04
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just lmao at the RGB cove lighting
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Aug 15, 2021 03:06
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We bought the planes so we can break them if we want to! Too bad. I'd take a super tucano instead of my bonus payment this year.
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Aug 15, 2021 03:21
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Fallom posted:just lmao at the RGB cove lighting That dude must be regretting not hiring a few more soldiers to hold onto his sweet pad. Though maybe he ferreted enough money in swiss accounts to live like that wherever he ends up
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That Works posted:Spending money on the arts is a waste they said i mean, those b-52s do sure look pretty
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