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howe_sam posted:What are you talking about? The Hydra spy detonates the bomb when the observation room is empty in both timelines. The difference is when the room is empty, in the original timeline it's after the experiment and in the Captain Carter timeline it's before. Guess I just don't remember the room being empty as an important part of the plan, I'll have to watch First Avenger again.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:39
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tbh i didn't get the impression that Peggy's location was what caused the difference in the when the bomb was set off, just that she was then able to be there to shoot the hydra agent immediately and take the serum
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Aug 12, 2021 18:46
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site posted:tbh i didn't get the impression that Peggy's location was what caused the difference in the when the bomb was set off, just that she was then able to be there to shoot the hydra agent immediately and take the serum But then why wasn't Steve just shot and there was no Captain anything in the original.
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Aug 12, 2021 18:51
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well in first avenger everybody is watching from the room above whereas in what if everybody is on the floor, so i guess hydra guy figured it would be better to take everyone out and make a run for it before they could actually use the serum and make a super soldier
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Aug 12, 2021 19:03
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In the original timeline Steve is already lying there on the machine and the agent is up in the booth before Erskine (not Bradley Whitford's a-hole character) suggests that Carter should leave. The What If changed that whole scene in order to make the split in timelines dependent on a choice she made (well, two choices). You might say to give her more agency.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:10
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I didn't really care for the animation but it fits with What If, no a lister ever drew the book so the show looking like a C list animation studio made it kind of makes sense.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:24
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Lobok posted:In the original timeline Steve is already lying there on the machine and the agent is up in the booth before Erskine (not Bradley Whitford's a-hole character) suggests that Carter should leave. the bomb is also on the floor and not in the booth, which is why it kills everybody, and I'm pretty sure the hydra guy didn't do that because he specifically really hated Peggy Carter
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Aug 12, 2021 19:26
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Yeah, a lot is changed in order for it to come down to her and nobody else with only moments to spare. The bomb needs to cross off able-bodied men from being second choices and the machine needs to be damaged/already powered up/both so they can't regroup later.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:38
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Ok yeah, I just went back and rewatched the scene in What If, and I was wrong, the bomb wasn't in the observation room. I'm dumb.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:49
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Titans season 3 starts off weird, feels like there's a missing episode. Weird start but I'm still gonna watch. Surprise new character added!
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Aug 12, 2021 19:50
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Rhyno posted:Titans season 3 starts off weird, feels like there's a missing episode. Weird start but I'm still gonna watch. I realized I never finished season 2 so I'm doing that before I start 3. Titans is an odd mix of being both better and worse than you expect it to be at the same time.
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Aug 12, 2021 19:53
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Rhyno posted:I didn't really care for the animation but it fits with What If, no a lister ever drew the book so the show looking like a C list animation studio made it kind of makes sense. I was curious who they'd have doing art on What If but Marvel Unlimited barely has any issues added.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:02
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Skwirl posted:I realized I never finished season 2 so I'm doing that before I start 3. Titans is an odd mix of being both better and worse than you expect it to be at the same time. I like that it doesn't seem to care too much about sticking to "the norm" with its material. Again I've only seen the first episode but I like that they're playing around with stuff and not really caring. But boy are they trying their hardest to keep Iain Glen from wearing a batsuit.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:08
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What If? had plenty of serious talent involved, just sporadically. Just for fun I'll list a few. Maybe Gil Kane and Herb Trimpe weren't the draws they once were by the late 70s but still! Jack Kirby even drew vol. 1 #11! Past that you have Sal Busceme, who is an A-lister in my heart, John Buscema, Carmine Infantino, Gene Colan, and that's just cherry-picking folks from the first 20 or so issues. Edit: Shortly after that as the title firmly moves into the 80s Byrne and Frank Miller do some issues too. It really was not, initially, a place to shunt journeyman artists. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 20:09
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I'm just thinking of the early 90s wasteland up til the end of the second volume. Rare gems but usually not good stuff.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:11
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Rhyno posted:I'm just thinking of the early 90s wasteland up til the end of the second volume. Rare gems but usually not good stuff. I'll agree to disagree, and I do see your point. Looking at the pencilers during vol. 2 there's maybe a sense of less experienced or proven artists being assigned What If? issues, but like... the first stretch of that is Ron Wilson, a rock solid but maybe undersung Marvel regular since the early 80s, a very young Greg Capullo, Dave Simons, Mark Bagley, Jim Valentino, Ron Lim... a mix of less glamourous veterans and newcomers that I think paid off.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:18
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You had me until Ron Lim
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Aug 12, 2021 20:20
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I mean I couldn't tell you anything else Luke McDonnell drew off the top of my head but I do know he drew my favorite issue of What If and I loved the way it looked.Rhyno posted:You had me until Ron Lim You are on my list now.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:20
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He's not my favorite but I'd say he was definitely "A-list" in the late 80s, early 90s. There's also a Liefeld issue in there mid 1989, which hm, I don't know if I'd confidently say he was being treated as a "star" by that point but he was definitely a visible creator who fans were taking note of. Edit: By the end of vol. 2 though there are definitely a lot of names where I'm either like "who?" or "ah, I remember when he turned out to be a right wing shill." How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Aug 12, 2021 |
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Aug 12, 2021 20:23
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Shageletic posted:You prob remembered it bc its a stale cliche, nazi's bringing in a generic Cthulu in a foreboding castle. Its in a million comics and I think Hellboy made a series about it Its definitely very Hellboyish but its also taken pretty liberally from Agents of SHIELD that had a whole season about Hydra being in spooky castles opening interdimensional gateways to worship and unleash a tentacle god.
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Aug 12, 2021 20:44
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Rhyno posted:Titans season 3 starts off weird, feels like there's a missing episode. Weird start but I'm still gonna watch. Well, I guess we know who dies!
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Aug 12, 2021 21:19
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Endless Mike posted:Well, I guess we know who dies! I assume one is killed every other episode? If not then why even call it Titans?
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Aug 12, 2021 21:22
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They should have the "In This Episode... A TITAN DIES!!!" stamped on the thumbnail in the app/site.
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Aug 12, 2021 21:49
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Rhyno posted:I didn't really care for the animation but it fits with What If, no a lister ever drew the book so the show looking like a C list animation studio made it kind of makes sense. Apologize to Mike Wieringo.
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Aug 12, 2021 23:28
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Supposedly an image of Moon Knight has leaked
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Aug 13, 2021 18:16
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I also enjoyed What If..., with only one minor complaint: given that Steve fell off the train instead of Bucky, I was hoping this would ripple out to Steve becoming the Winter Soldier. I guess it's not impossible they go that route in a future continuation, but there didn't seem to be any indication that Steve was experimented on to hang that on.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:38
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Davros1 posted:Supposedly an image of Moon Knight has leaked I hope it's fake because it looks like poo poo.
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Aug 13, 2021 18:40
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Davros1 posted:Supposedly an image of Moon Knight has leaked Post a link with spoiler warning? Edit: found it and lmao yuck. Thank God they cgi everything I suppose. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 13, 2021 |
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Aug 13, 2021 19:25
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That looks fake to me
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Aug 13, 2021 19:33
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Eh, those aren't bad if I'm seeing the same thing. I'd assume he has multiple costumes, anyways
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Aug 13, 2021 19:37
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One of the pictures floating around is a fake, it's an edit from Arrow of Ragman. The other appears to be real. The real one I think looks good. I like the wrapping of the costume being incorporated into the logo on the chest to make the crescent moon.
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Aug 13, 2021 19:54
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Skwirl posted:What ifs...? are the only stories where he's present and doesn't break his vow. There was also What If? The Avengers Fought Galactus where they can't get the Ultimate Nullifier, so that world's Uatu decides he'll just have to fight Galactus himself.
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Aug 13, 2021 19:58
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Don't like it, too Finchy.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:12
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Aug 13, 2021 21:33
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WaffleZombie posted:I also enjoyed What If..., with only one minor complaint: given that Steve fell off the train instead of Bucky, I was hoping this would ripple out to Steve becoming the Winter Soldier. I guess it's not impossible they go that route in a future continuation, but there didn't seem to be any indication that Steve was experimented on to hang that on. See, I like that. That would have been the predictable, by the numbers path but Zola's in SHIELD custody so he's not there to conduct the experiments. And without him I guess Skull is less interested in converting the Tesseract into tech and weaponry and instead just jumps right into crazier ideas. It kept me guessing and I wasn't really expecting that.
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endocriminologist posted:Can’t wait to have libs reference this show as proof that I’m actually a man I just want to say, I just watched the first episode of What If? on the lookout to see what you meant, and it just now occurred to me that you probably meant Y: The Last Man and I'm a doofus.
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Aug 14, 2021 00:41
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How Wonderful! posted:I just want to say, I just watched the first episode of What If? on the lookout to see what you meant, and it just now occurred to me that you probably meant Y: The Last Man and I'm a doofus. This did literally make me LOL.
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Aug 14, 2021 16:08
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I liked What If but for some reason the Marvel Studios opening irked me. Well, okay, it's always irked me, I think it's over-bombastic and masturbatory but in this particular instance it's like why are you guys spending this ~40 seconds cranking it over your live-action movies before this animated show? Personally I think it'd be neat if they did the same thing with all the cartoons Marvel's made over the years but I get that some of those are legal issues and none of them are Certified MCU™ official. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 14, 2021 |
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Aug 14, 2021 21:43
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I think technically this is MCU. Like its played as an intro to the multiverse now that Loki's established it in the MCU. So Captain Carter and Hydra Smasher are real MCU characters out there somewhere even if they're just animated. But clearly the solution is they should add animated Hayley Atwell to the Marvel intro. And then prepare for Atwell bulk up for that Captain Carter appearance in Secret Wars.
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I do kind of wish they'd do weird variant things with the What If opening. It would make perfect sense
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