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hiddenriverninja posted:I ended up using this strat and it worked, thanks! still don't know what to do about that Submerge move the boss does that seems like an OHKO though. That attack is on a timer after spawning a new wave. You need to kill the enemies faster. Oceanid won't use it so long as the mobs are dying fast enough. It's unavoidable outside of invuln, IIRC
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I wish there was an endless mode (and also a speed up). It's trivially easy to break TM with the infinite RNG upgrade; solo tower type runs are actually even easier than actual strategies because you just spam redraw and upgrade your chosen tower. Smacking Ruins from across the map for 300,000 damage is pretty funny, but I'd like an excuse to use courage sticks which seem entirely useless at the moment. Making beast towers and then making beast enemies in a mode of endless scaling just sounds fun to me.
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33 stars in this abyss before it resets, Abyss still sucks rear end but at least floor 11 is better now. Stubborn rear end me also refuses to really do more than 1 attempt or switch up chars so my teams for all floors were... Group 1: Diona/Ganyu/Xiangling/Klee Group 2: Zhongli/Noelle/Fischl/Eula With a notable exception of floor 11 replacing Noelle with Xing'qiu because Oops! Fire Cube. Detheros fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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Canopus250 posted:So I pulled Yoimiya quite early while trying to find a Sayu. I've got Rust or the Inazuma bow to toss on her, but what's the general consensus for artifact set ideas? 2 piece Crimson Witch + 2 piece 18% attack set or 4 piece Shimenawa’s. Q into E maths out better than E into Q so the former is better in most comps.
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Is there any way to get the Seelie to shut up and stop squeaking? I got the one from the new event but now I'm remembering why I shoved the last seelie I earned into the closet and forgot about it.Canopus250 posted:So I pulled Yoimiya quite early while trying to find a Sayu. I've got Rust or the Inazuma bow to toss on her, but what's the general consensus for artifact set ideas? So far Shimenawa's is by far the most popular set for her. Which makes sense since 90% of her damage is from her normal attacks and her elemental burst is fairly weak, so sacrificing burst energy for better normals is a no-brainer.
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Detheros posted:33 stars in this abyss before it resets, Abyss still sucks rear end but at least floor 11 is better now. ..Noelle?
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:You eventually unlock the ability to lower world level by 1.... at WL5 / AR40. I am so glad I checked this thread again... I have been having so many issues with some bosses after raising WL at AR50 (took a big break after Dragonspine) Dropping WL back down 1 has saved my enjoyment 
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Aug 15, 2021 07:07
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After getting Klee with my guaranteed pull back during her banner, I started rolling again and I got Keqing on my 11th pull so I'm gonna save for guaranteed Raiden 
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Garrand posted:Making beast towers and then making beast enemies in a mode of endless scaling just sounds fun to me. I too am someone who enjoys fun, but you're forgetting rule #1: It has to run on phones. Detheros posted:33 stars in this abyss before it resets, Abyss still sucks rear end but at least floor 11 is better now. I took my 30 and bounced. If they creep the check any higher I'll be locked out of 12 entirely.
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Yeah I'm kinda bummed about the current abyss setup. 9 through 11 is fine, but I was just barely shy of the final star on old 12-3 with the heralds, and now I feel like the new 12-1 has set me back another couple weeks worth of artifact/materials grinding to catch back up with the ramping DPS requirements.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:..Noelle? Noelle is good and strong and she is your friend. That team needs a healer after you've put in Eula, Zhongli, and an electro character. Noelle is the only geo healer, and you get geo resonance when you slot her in. Diona is also a good choice, she does a good job of generating energy for Eula. I guess Bennet would work out just fine, but I usually put him on a team that will get pryo resonance.
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is "the farmer's treasure" bugged? I rescued the guy from the cage before I talked to his father and I think that broke it, because the quest didn't show up in my log book until after I gave the son the tablets.
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I hope Raiden can solve Noelle's energy problems without requiring a second Geo, because I do like her niche as a healer who can still do good damage. I just hate that she's unreliable at doing it. If Kokomi turns out to be a wet fart, I'll definitely set my sights on making a core duo with Raiden/Noelle. Though if she still has energy problems, Raiden/Noelle/GeoMC doesn't sound too shabby. Hell, even triple geo with Zhongli.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:..Noelle? Yes?
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Mailer posted:I took my 30 and bounced. If they creep the check any higher I'll be locked out of 12 entirely. Yeah Floor 12 enemies are really loving spongey and I hate that it's "Finish with 420 seconds left for 3 stars" On 12-1/12-2 when the PREVIOUS 3 FLOORS are "Finish with 300 seconds left for x-1/x-2"
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Maxwell Adams posted:Noelle is good and strong and she is your friend. If you're using Zhongli, bringing a healer is usually not necessary (just dodge better if you're actually getting hurt through the shields). Albedo's a better choice over Noelle, since he provides damage at no cost to field time. But if you lack Albedo you could make do with Noelle, though Geo MC is the next best thing. Bringing Diona is usually the optimal move for a Eula team (high tide reduces this requirement a bit, but she's still REALLY good with Eula), and she shields AND heals, meaning you dont necessarily need Zhongli here. Then you can take the usual Eula core of Eula/Diona/Electro(Fischl, usually), then slot a flex in for the 4th. Beidou for electro resonance and more damage, Albedo for off-field damage and more shields, Rosaria for even MORE cryo energy pump, plus extra crit rate and almost guaranteed bursts off CD for Rosaria and Diona, or Xinyan for her physical damage boosts and res shred, and another shield. Arguably you could say Lisa might be a better electro enabler for Eula, since Lisa shreds defense with her burst, while Fischl misses out on her full potential due to Eula not attacking super fast and low reaction rates. But then you'd have to have a leveled up Lisa...
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I think TM is better this time because you actually have things to spend money on after putting down your towers. The RNG upgrades are fine, just pick 2 elements + a support and just take all the upgrades for those towers.
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padijun posted:is "the farmer's treasure" bugged? I rescued the guy from the cage before I talked to his father and I think that broke it, because the quest didn't show up in my log book until after I gave the son the tablets. I talked to the guys father first and it still didnt show up in the log book until I gave the son the tablets. I think thats just what its supposed to do for whatever reason.
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Next abyss round will probably be even harder since the great defense shred we get now will be replaced by the lovely shockwaves. Still I feel kinda safe knowing I can just demolish one side of the floor with hu tao 
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SiKboy posted:I talked to the guys father first and it still didnt show up in the log book until I gave the son the tablets. I think thats just what its supposed to do for whatever reason. completely baffled why they'd make an invisible quest like that. I'm not asking for a glowing yellow pillar of light, I just want some sort of record of who told me to do what.
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padijun posted:completely baffled why they'd make an invisible quest like that. I'm not asking for a glowing yellow pillar of light, I just want some sort of record of who told me to do what. Yeah, its not the only invisible quest (theres a couple in dragonspine, collecting the... Boxes? I think? and lighting up the glowing runes that I havent finished because I kind of keep forgetting they exist), but a) AFAIK they are totally invisible, there is never a quest log for them at all, so this weird "its not a quest until you've two third finished it, now it is" thing is unusual, and b) they feel fairer because the things you are looking for are in a smaller area/stand out a little. I had to look up "The Farmers Treasure" because I only had 3 out the 4 tablets, and I only knew there was something I needed to look up because I'd googled to find out how to get the inazuma sword blueprint. 3 of them are fairly easy because they were in areas another sidequest directs you through, and they werent massively busy areas so if you look around you'll see them. That 4th one is a little too easy to miss for something that gatekeeps a weapon blueprint.
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I like the invisible or non-obvious quests. It feels to me like it rewards exploration and is way more engaging than waypointing to an objective.
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MajorBonnet posted:I like the invisible or non-obvious quests. It feels to me like it rewards exploration and is way more engaging than waypointing to an objective. In theory, yes. In practice I'm just going to end up looking poo poo up online because there is no way on earth I'd have randomly found the last stone tablet in a bandit camp near nothing except a boat summoning point (Lets be honest, once you'd done a once over of the isolated wee islands in Inazuma, you never go near those again, compared to how the boat was used in the summer island event), especially as there was nothing anywhere telling me I was even supposed to be looking for a fourth one. Also to get the last couple of boxes in the mountains I need to do a "defeat X enemies in 30 seconds" type event, but I couldnt do it when I first found it, so I thought "I'll come back once I've levelled up some other characters". I have now levelled more characters, and could possibly maybe do it, but I have no earthly idea of where in the mountains that was, and in fact until having this discussion I'd pretty much forgotten about it entirely. So, actually I'm okay with quests that dont have markers as such, but do think that when you find the first bit of the quest you should get a quest log entry saying "find the 4 stone tablet in inazuma!" or "Investigate the glowing runes" or "find the other X boxes in the mountains" or whatever, so that I can remember that its a thing I'm supposed to be doing.
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SiKboy posted:In theory, yes. In practice I'm just going to end up looking poo poo up online because there is no way on earth I'd have randomly found the last stone tablet in a bandit camp near nothing except a boat summoning point (Lets be honest, once you'd done a once over of the isolated wee islands in Inazuma, you never go near those again, compared to how the boat was used in the summer island event), especially as there was nothing anywhere telling me I was even supposed to be looking for a fourth one. Also to get the last couple of boxes in the mountains I need to do a "defeat X enemies in 30 seconds" type event, but I couldnt do it when I first found it, so I thought "I'll come back once I've levelled up some other characters". I have now levelled more characters, and could possibly maybe do it, but I have no earthly idea of where in the mountains that was, and in fact until having this discussion I'd pretty much forgotten about it entirely. A quest log entry would be good, although I'm not sure how to balance that against something like the conch mystery box, where I think it worked very well that you had to turn in conchs without necessarily knowing what the grand prize was or feeding the foxes on the mountain where it wasn't obvious that had an end goal. We also have map pins to use to mark points of interest and I know I'm bad at using them, but I think I would say that I like the idea of using them better than the quest log entry for non-obvious quests. I am also pretty desensitized to having to look up info online. Beta minecraft got me into PC gaming and that was a wiki-fest. I actually found that tablet first. I think killing that bandit camp was one of the first things I did in Inazuma. MajorBonnet fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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There are so many food spawns in inazuma that I skip investigating sparkles after a certain point. I had to look up a stone tablet location and I probably never would have bothered investigating it (because I missed it my first time through).
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What’s a good artifact set for Ganyu if I wanted to use her as a selfish dps? The spreadsheet talks about melt and freeze but I don’t have enablers.
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It's still blizzard slayer
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The guy tells you where to look for them at least, it’s not completely hidden. I thought it was cool I liked the army section where you go on a goose chase tracking him down.
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count me as another person who mostly found the slates unassisted. the one i couldn't find was the one in the well where it was obvious there was an area with stuff for me to get but i didn't initially figure out how to get in. i don't think it having an entry like Sakura Arborism would bring it down, as long as the other steps don't have the waypoint feature either.
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Aug 15, 2021 15:55
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I found all the slates incidentally while exploring and had to google what they were for, and then had a hell of a time finding the key in the tree right near the guy.
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Sexual Aluminum posted:What’s a good artifact set for Ganyu if I wanted to use her as a selfish dps? The spreadsheet talks about melt and freeze but I don’t have enablers. Wanderer's Troupe, you'll just have to sacrifice some crit damage for crit rate. It still has almost comparable numbers, though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYPchPY8-g Video showing off yoimiya in contrast to hu tao. Basically if you dont have a fire carry and you want one then theres absolutely no reason why you shouldn't pull on her because you heard she was bad. Pulling similar numbers and not having to worry about the wonkiness of the chargespam
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Cao Ni Ma posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYPchPY8-g Good watch. I'm always suspicious of the character opinion bandwagons. I didn't find her trial fun, but Sayu's trial was  .
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I think the Yoimiya poo-pooing has always been more about her tragic positioning on the release schedule and the fact that pyro is already quite saturated with capable damage dealers. In a total vacuum I'm sure she's fine.
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I would love her burst if it was the Pyro version of Childe's and just pulsed even a weak pyro.
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But also please don't pull her if you mechanically need a pyro carry and have no opinion on her as a character. Xingling is still like a top 3 pyro unit and fills a support role as you get more powerful.
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If I had known/been paying attention going into their banners how amazing Ayaka and Kazuha are, I probably would've whaled hard for them instead of just getting lucky with 1 each over the course of their banners, so I'm kind of glad that Yoimiya feels like an "ehh, save up unless you super want" for once.
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