[COVIDelta-19] Remember To Mask Up Between Bites

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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Chuka Umana posted:

From someone who knows people who killed themselves and relapsed on drugs and alcohol during the lockdown. gently caress you for minimizing people's lived experiences. You don't have to be anti-lockdown and covid denier to admit that the lockdown was incredibly difficult for people. You need to read some Glenn Greenwald and open your mind.

shut up migf, no one likes you

# ? Aug 15, 2021 12:57

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# ? May 26, 2024 05:24

super sweet best pal: Nov 18, 2009

SpaceCadetBob posted:

huh, gotta say these charts are actually pretty comforting. sure out country is hosed, but makes me feel pretty good about me personally not being likely to end up in the hospital.

lol at basically no vaccine advantage for the olds though.

If old people start thinking they're no longer protected there's going to be a panic. It'll be hard to ignore the numbers.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:04

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

You can't have COVID if you're dead

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:05

platzapS: Aug 4, 2007

corona familiar posted:

thought i'd join the booster party

new account but long time lurker

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:19

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

Major upsurge in covid patient transports here. Covid is back baby! It's good again! Awooo

Also my strike team didn't get chosen for the deployment last week but I'm sure there will be plenty more opportunities to make big FEMA bucks this year. Ugh.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:23

Pohl: Jan 28, 2005; In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

I just checked Walgreens and I don't even have to make an appointment for a booster, just walk in!

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:23

Paramemetic: Sep 29, 2003; Area 51. You heard of it, right?; Fallen Rib

Iron Crowned posted:

You can't have COVID if you're dead

If you're dead, covid has you.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:24

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

SpaceCadetBob posted:

huh, gotta say these charts are actually pretty comforting. sure out country is hosed, but makes me feel pretty good about me personally not being likely to end up in the hospital. especially since i got that premium moderna juice.

lol at basically no vaccine advantage for the olds though. lol wonder if congress has all gotten secret 3rd shots yet.

That data is also pretty scary since it shows in all the various bible belt / sun belt states a majority of unvaccinated cases are in the 20 to 50 age range.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/CIAGoFundMe/status/1426874553066823682?s=19

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:39

Testvan: Nov 10, 2003

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyvemy/tokyo-olymipcs-beijing-covid

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:42

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Alright which one of you was this

edit:

Steve Yun has issued a correction as of 13:49 on Aug 15, 2021

# ? Aug 15, 2021 13:45

zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

gently caress yeah there's a walk-in no questions asked vaccine site nearby. I had plans to go places today but gently caress that time to get a top off

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:05

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

Blaziken386 posted:

so how long do you think it'll take for the government to admit that everyone should probably get a booster, not just those with hosed immune systems

asking for my friend, max titers, who is seriously considering standing around in the lobby of walgreens tomorrow

The longer you wait the greater chance that the government will OK boosters for everyone and that could drive a shortage. By getting a booster now you guarantee yourself a booster and prevent yourself from contributing to a vaccine shortage later.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:07

Gripweed: Nov 8, 2018

Genuinely, getting a cheeky booster now by lying to a pharmacist is the more personally and sociably responsible move.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:08

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https://twitter.com/jkelly3rd/status/1426500172285194241?s=19

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:10

Nocturtle: Mar 17, 2007

Gripweed posted:

Genuinely, getting a cheeky booster now by lying to a pharmacist is the more personally and sociably responsible move.

Haha probably true, can imagine all the people sitting in places with low/no vaccine supply getting a bit annoyed though. edit: probably no more annoyed than at reports of American low vaccination rate areas flushing expired doses though.

IMO pretending to be immunocompromised but using your real info to get a booster is the worst possible choice. The health insurance companies will find a way to use that against you in future, the frayed remnants of Obamacare notwithstanding.

Nocturtle has issued a correction as of 14:34 on Aug 15, 2021

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:20

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

don't ask how i know; Dinosaur Gum

neutral milf hotel posted:

https://twitter.com/mariana057/status/1426317811740291075

corn teen yourself

this thread has been corn teened

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:21

turd in my singlet: Jul 5, 2008; DO ALL DA WORK

WIT YA NECK

*heavy metal music playing*; Nap Ghost

has anyone ordered from pksafety in a while? that's where i got my 3M 6000 half-face last winter on some goon's recommendation and it looks like they still have 7093s in stock

also what's the difference between these vapor cartridges, they have like a half dozen options. figure i may as well pick up a pair

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:23

Barry Soteriology: Mar 1, 2020

super sweet best pal posted:

https://twitter.com/scienceshitpost/status/1312508992426397696

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:24

Barry Soteriology: Mar 1, 2020

Houston man shot 6 times last week still waiting for surgery at hospital overwhelmed by COVID-19

quote:

"Having broken bones and bullets in me for over a week now, it�s a little frustrating," said Valdez. "I got shot in the neck right here, but I got hit three times in my left shoulder. That�s what is broken and what I�m awaiting surgery for."

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:26

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Topo Chico Debarge posted:

I posted that outside my cubicle and highlighted the second point, I don't think anyone has noticed yet

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:27

Wrex Ruckus: Aug 24, 2015

Testvan posted:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyvemy/tokyo-olymipcs-beijing-covid

this is good news

for SUGA!!!

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:35

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

don't ask how i know; Dinosaur Gum

Topo Chico Debarge posted:

Houston man shot 6 times last week still waiting for surgery at hospital overwhelmed by COVID-19

if he can talk to newspapers obviously the triage system is working as intended, i say libbishly

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:39

Ruggan: Feb 20, 2007; WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!

hello, my name is �Morva Ksine� and I�m here for my um, first shot of Moderna

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:42

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/WholesomeMeme/status/1426896203405475840?s=19

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:43

Ruggan: Feb 20, 2007; WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!

super sweet best pal posted:

quote:
It's also transparent, designed to let the wearer still show facial expressions. The function of the internal lighting is actually to let the wearer show their face even when it's dark.

Gross

now make one for my genitals

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:55

College Rockout: Jan 10, 2010

Testvan posted:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyvemy/tokyo-olymipcs-beijing-covid

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/15/olympics-tokyo-costs-japan/ posted:

It is yet unclear if there will be any significant political fallout for Japanese prime minister Yoshihide Suga, who is facing reelection this fall and is lagging in polls. Despite fears that the Olympics could become a global superspreader event and strong public opposition leading up to it, public sentiment appeared to shift once the Games began, and Olympics-related coronavirus cases were largely contained to the bubble.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:57

VomitOnLino: Jun 13, 2005; Sometimes I get lost.

Wrex Ruckus posted:

this is good news

for SUGA!!!

There apparently was a demo of rabid anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers in Tokyo today.
There were "quite a lot of people", at least that's what I got told by my press-tog gallery-colleague...

The hospitals are so overwhelmed here people are now dying in their homes waiting for care, not just Covid care.
Hey-yoooo clearly a hoax!

We're never gonna be done with this...

lmao

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:58

Spoondick: Jun 9, 2000

Chuka Umana posted:

Mr. Greenwald has pointed out how the public health discourse includes nothing about tackling obesity, which is by far one of the biggest risk factors for covid complications. I support vaccines and lockdowns, but we need to be pushing people to work to eliminate obesity.

lol, not falling for one of these again... i don't follow the dnd thread so which poster is this copied from?

# ? Aug 15, 2021 14:59

Ruggan: Feb 20, 2007; WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!

Morbus posted:

OK, so generally, a single virus particle (of whatever virus) will not successfully complete it's entire cycle of attachment -> cell entry -> gene expression & replication -> assembly -> release. Each of these steps needs to be successfully completed in at least one cell in order for additional virus particles to emerge from that cell. And each of these steps has some (often significant) statistical failure rate. Viruses, at the end of the day, are often dumb, glitchy machines that gently caress up a lot, and the cells they infect are rarely 100% permissive.

So, for a given type of virus infecting a given type of cell, there is some statistical threshold of virus particles that needs to be present, on average, to create a self-sustaining infection. It's important to remember that there are a huge amount of variables, but it is nonetheless useful to get some ballpark idea of what this number is. One way is via cell culture: you create a culture of cells of the type you're interested in, expose it to various titers of virus, and just quantify how much the cells get hosed up--for example by counting plaques from cell lysis. Then you take a vial from the part of your dilution series that generated e.g. 100 plaques, and you try to quantify how many virus particles were in that vial. Nowadays this last part is usually done by using quantitative PCR to count how much virus genome there is, but in the bad old days you could just have a grad student do a bunch of transmission electron microscopy and count virus particles till they killed themselves. Critically, when looking at how the virus destroys cells, if you have enough virus the whole culture will just be hosed. For too little, there will be no effect at all. And for intermediate titers of virus, you will be able to see separated, distinct plaques from individual cells that got infected, burst open with more virus, infected adjacent cells, etc. So by focusing on those intermediate cases and counting plaques, you can count how many successful initial infections there were.

If you go through that whole exercise, you can have an estimate of (on average) how many viral particles it takes to create a plaque forming unit in your cel culture (or how many it takes to do some measurable thing to e.g. 50% of cells--there are a lot of variations). For some bacteriophages, this particle/PFU ratio is as low as 1--meaning a single virus particle is all it takes. For most human viruses, its anywhere in the range of 10^2's to 10^5's. Wild-type SARS-CoV-2 was I think 10^4 to 10^5. Delta is probably lower, since it is much more efficient at cell entry.

The actual number should be taken with a huge grain of salt. For one, it's ultimately going to depend a lot on the nature of the method used--you can use a given procedure to relatively compare one virus to another, but you shouldn't take the absolute plaque/PFU number as some directly, clinically applicable property of the virus. Secondly, a lot of the time, published values are some combination of old or unreliable, and it's not uncommon for different investigators to get results that vary by an order of magnitude even if using similar methods.

But conceptually, yes. The initial inoculum a person is exposed to needs to pass some threshold in order for there to be an infection. This is true even once several (or several thousand) virus particles reach susceptible target cells. And this number is not entirely random--for (most) viruses, if at least X number of virus particles don't hit their target, there is just no way a successful infection will result. It's not possible to directly translate the particle/PFU numbers from cell culture assays to "real world" infections--but they give an idea of the ballpark figure. 1 or 10 or 100 or probably even 1000 particles aren't going to cause a covid infection. (However, the amount of virus that can exist in a person or their breath is staggering, and 100,000 or a million is not a big number at all).

And yeah, this is (one of) the reasons why limiting exposure, even imperfectly, can confer protection (up to a point). There are other factors too, like how even in a successful infection, a small initial colonization will be an easier job for your immune system (and give it more time) than a large one, while taking longer to do serious damage to your body. But I think an important message is that, with delta, the empirical reality is that very short exposures to air from an infected person can cause serious illness. Particle/PFU figures, while interesting, aren't terribly useful to assess e.g. what kind of mask you should use, and you certainly shouldn't try to do like some kind of ab initio calculation of what level of exposure is "safe" based on cell culture assays lol.

this is a good post, thank you

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:01

Rhesus Pieces: Jun 27, 2005

https://twitter.com/sirjoancornella/status/1426896091702730760?s=21

Topo Chico Debarge posted:

Houston man shot 6 times last week still waiting for surgery at hospital overwhelmed by COVID-19

Until the curve flattens this guy�s gonna jingle when he walks

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:03

Koirhor: Jan 14, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

it�s as if humanity has forgotten an essential way to defend itself and instead has decided to cast itself upon the rocks rather than delay gratification of modern luxuries.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:04

Impkins Patootie: Apr 20, 2017

Forseti posted:

show them a mask and give them a piece of candy. Show them a brunch and punch them in the face.

Repeat as necessary.

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:07

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

don't ask how i know; Dinosaur Gum

Spoondick posted:

lol, not falling for one of these again... i don't follow the dnd thread so which poster is this copied from?

based on the username I'm guessing "guardian writer" more than d&d poster

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:09

Barry Soteriology: Mar 1, 2020

Stolen from pyf tweets

TinTower posted:

https://twitter.com/sineadactually/status/1426715663742214146?s=21

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:09

Spoondick: Jun 9, 2000

Koirhor posted:

it�s as if humanity has forgotten an essential way to defend itself and instead has decided to cast itself upon the rocks rather than delay gratification of modern luxuries.

consumerism is americas true religion

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:10

McNugget Buddy: Aug 14, 2021; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Koirhor posted:

it�s as if humanity has forgotten an essential way to defend itself and instead has decided to cast itself upon the rocks rather than delay gratification of modern luxuries.

I try and mention "survival" to family when talking about COVID, but they have no concept of it

An entire country brainwashed into thinking they can bootstrap their way off a ventilator

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:11

DickParasite: Dec 2, 2004; Slippery Tilde

Koirhor posted:

it�s as if humanity has forgotten an essential way to defend itself and instead has decided to cast itself upon the rocks rather than delay gratification of modern luxuries.

what is the point of life without all you can eat boneless wings

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:16

Bruce Hussein Daddy: Dec 26, 2005; I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

"We are watching the situation in Pickens County, as well as other Upstate school districts, very closely," said Tim Waller, district spokesperson. "Our process going into the school year will be any decisions made to shift to eLearning will be on a school-by-school basis determined by analysis of each school�s data. We are looking forward to a great year and will do everything in our power to keep students and staff safe."

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Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

DickParasite posted:

what is the point of life without all you can eat boneless wings

In my misguided youth, I used to exclusively eat boneless wings. One day I was shown the light of eating bone in wings, and life would never be the same again

# ? Aug 15, 2021 15:18

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