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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
oh, it's not me. i was unclear.

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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

does paranoia agent count. if you havent seen that you should drop what youre doing rn and do that

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

Shin Sekai Yori/From the New World.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

a cyberpunk goose posted:

War in the Pocket is the best and also most leftist Gundam, quickly followed by Hathaway

also whoever said chars counterattack is good needs their head examined, that movie is an absolute mess.

Chars counterattack loving rules bitch, come wrestle me out in the parking lot at Denny's with your shirt off of you wanna say something differrnt

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

does paranoia agent count. if you havent seen that you should drop what youre doing rn and do that

seen it like five times now but a great rec regardless

MonsieurChoc posted:

Shin Sekai Yori/From the New World.

this looks good, thanks

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

Try the other two from the Yoshitoshi ABe trilogy, Haibane Renmei and Texhnolyze. They're very different in tone and content, but very good in their own ways.

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

Patlabor 2

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

MonsieurChoc posted:

Shin Sekai Yori/From the New World.
shin sekai yori is definitely a love it or hate it kinda anime imo

also: the ping pong the aimation is a rumination on competitiveness/growing up etc its really excellent, plus, directed by yuasa. also girl's last tour

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

Full disclosure, as I've gotten older I think I prefer the Buu saga to the Cell one

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

trying to recall the name of that one about a white haired dude catching bugs

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
Mushishi is what that's called

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

Kaiba

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i know you said specifically not lain, but have you considered lain?

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

First season of Boogiepop Phantom.

Flying Trapeze
Pet might also be in that vibe.

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


ok so watched 3.0+1.0 and it was fine, easily the best of the Rebuilds. It doesn't hit like the original and I don't give a gently caress about canon so I could take it or leave it, but there were good elements. I feel like if I hadn't been invested in the series as a young teen, watched the rebuilds throughout college and my young adult life I might be less interested in it.

thematically it is good but...uncomfortable in light of what's going on in the world. the total irony of a film that's about rejecting and letting go of evangelion, reversing commodification, literally, and breaking cycles of pain through shared sacrifice and understanding in light of covid and global meltdown and the mountains of plastic poo poo this film created. Anno is a multi-millionaire with a hot wife, so this definitely feels very left-libbish. EoE from a marxist perspective was about explicitly courting destruction in the face of psychopathic elite plans, about accepting universal brotherhood through organic means rather than psycho-spiritual capitalist blobbing.

shinji's wish at end of eva is: to let everyone choose if they want to come back and try to rebuild hell world, to go on living with the recognition that things might be in inexorable decline, to accept the possibility of pain in a divided mankind, to reject fusion with the capitalist world-being on human terms

in 3.0+1.0 it's actually insanely selfish: now that you've learned how to operate within the world, just wish away late stage, apocalyptic capitalism and return to less hosed (but ultimately doomed) real world of 2020/2021. Things aren't poo poo because of the Evangelions, you fool

KaptainKrunk has issued a correction as of 02:02 on Aug 15, 2021

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
Eva 4 was great

no analysis

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

Baki is a philosopher's anime

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

ATLA

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

You know what loving sucked rear end, that bullshit Pilot Candidate, how the hell did that incomprehensible mess end up on adult swim

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

I wanna meet the guy still holding our hope for a Steamboy 2

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


I hear philosophical and anime and I run in the opposite direction but idk the closest directors are probably yuasa and oshii

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
i think people on this forum especially would like Girls Last Tour, the author is depressed in the same way m ost people here are. its all about eking a nice life out in a dead/dying world

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

ping pong

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
ping pong is good poo poo

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

Casey Finnigan posted:

Mushishi is what that's called

yeah! i should rewatch it, it's a show i can't really recall any plot only that it felt really chill

McKilligan
May 13, 2007

Acey Deezy

Honest Thief posted:

yeah! i should rewatch it, it's a show i can't really recall any plot only that it felt really chill

It might be the ultimate chill anime. It is impossible not to relax to, and the OP is unskippable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2e7yFbDuWM

McKilligan has issued a correction as of 10:16 on Aug 15, 2021

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

berserk

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

If you want to watch "philosophical anime" that isn't basically just YA fiction, the best bet is to look for stuff that's adapted from the Japanese literary canon.

Joey Steel
Jul 24, 2019

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Zerilan posted:

ping pong

Ping Pong great

Honest Thief posted:

yeah! i should rewatch it, it's a show i can't really recall any plot only that it felt really chill

It's an absolute vibes show

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

ping pong rules, and is very philosophically existential, as others have said i loved it

Patlabor 2 is fully sick, is philosophical but maybe more on the tom clancy side

From the New World/Shinsekai Yori is really really good -- to anyone who hasn't seen it, just stick with it. it starts out feeling like some kinda YA hogwarts thing and and your mental alarms will go off that it's some boring magic teens show, but there are time skips and really interesting ruminations on labor theory and authoritarianism/fascism... it turns into... a lot

Planetes is a personal favorite that i think takes a big philosophical/existential turn in the latter half (with only hints of it in the first half) and is super worthwhile

Tatami Galaxy is pretty philosophical in a house of leaves sort of way

I'm having a hard time here because "philosophical" is too broad, what kinda philosophical are you aimin for here. There's shows where it's clear the writers/directors have a distinct philosophy they want to impart and explore, like Planetes, and then there's shows that are ~philosophical~ like Lain

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

I wouldn't really say From the New World is very "philosophical," so much as it's a story about growing up in an imperialist society and realizing that your own people have always been the bad guys.

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I wouldn't really say From the New World is very "philosophical," so much as it's a story about growing up in an imperialist society and realizing that your own people have always been the bad guys.

absolutely this. I think From the New World does one better than tons of scifi about oppressive societies, in that it never becomes a "we have to tear it all down" power fantasy, and if anything it unrolls in a way that shows some of the grim but necessary aspects of their society in light of the fact that everyone is basically a walking WMD, but then you get into all the stuff with the queerrats and subconscious leakage and whooooo boy

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

a cyberpunk goose posted:

absolutely this. I think From the New World does one better than tons of scifi about oppressive societies, in that it never becomes a "we have to tear it all down" power fantasy, and if anything it unrolls in a way that shows some of the grim but necessary aspects of their society in light of the fact that everyone is basically a walking WMD, but then you get into all the stuff with the queerrats and subconscious leakage and whooooo boy

Yeah, it never really falls into some kind of naive revolutionary sentiment. The protagonist grows into being a functional adult engaging in the bureaucracy of empire just like anybody else. The way it's able to walk the tightrope between having a natural sympathy for the protagonist's POV having to survive the revolution, and a clear political sympathy for the queerrats is a real accomplishment. There's never a real doubt that "justice" would be on the side of the losers.

Don't check out the manga adaptation of the novel, by the way. It's softcore porn. It's funny in that context to think that Digibro panned the anime for not being "sexy enough."

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 17:03 on Aug 15, 2021

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
berserk

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Watch Boogiepop Phantom :mad:

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

I would be shocked if you haven't watched Revonlutionary Girl Utena yet.

Pulcinella
Feb 15, 2019

KaptainKrunk posted:

ok so watched 3.0+1.0 and it was fine, easily the best of the Rebuilds. It doesn't hit like the original and I don't give a gently caress about canon so I could take it or leave it, but there were good elements. I feel like if I hadn't been invested in the series as a young teen, watched the rebuilds throughout college and my young adult life I might be less interested in it.

thematically it is good but...uncomfortable in light of what's going on in the world. the total irony of a film that's about rejecting and letting go of evangelion, reversing commodification, literally, and breaking cycles of pain through shared sacrifice and understanding in light of covid and global meltdown and the mountains of plastic poo poo this film created. Anno is a multi-millionaire with a hot wife, so this definitely feels very left-libbish. EoE from a marxist perspective was about explicitly courting destruction in the face of psychopathic elite plans, about accepting universal brotherhood through organic means rather than psycho-spiritual capitalist blobbing.

shinji's wish at end of eva is: to let everyone choose if they want to come back and try to rebuild hell world, to go on living with the recognition that things might be in inexorable decline, to accept the possibility of pain in a divided mankind, to reject fusion with the capitalist world-being on human terms

in 3.0+1.0 it's actually insanely selfish: now that you've learned how to operate within the world, just wish away late stage, apocalyptic capitalism and return to less hosed (but ultimately doomed) real world of 2020/2021. Things aren't poo poo because of the Evangelions, you fool

Yeah Eva isn’t particularly leftist (to be very fair, most popular and even less popular media isn’t leftist either). I think this thread even discussed this very topic before discussing things like how it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism, great man theory in media, etc. It’s why UC Gundam has decades of media where there are still more Zeon remnants the timeline can never really be allowed to move past that and show something that’s just not lovely decaying liberal order or some vaguely hopeful “space magic will save the day.”

In other words Shinji should read theory. Successfully managing your depression and self actualization are necessary but not sufficient to avoid capitalism destroying the world. In the main series and EoE, the Elite are able to destroy the world unopposed. In Rebuild things work out a lot better, but still pretty bad.

Alternatively the Angels should have unionized and worked together to destroy humanity.

Umurangi Generations is a leftist photography game set in an Eva style cyberpunk world. I highly recommend it. There is a Pen-Pen character.Also, literal Evas show up several times, but you are some poor civilian who has to deal with Eva events at ground level.

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Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

tokin opposition posted:

give me recs for philosophical anime

but like not the big ones everyone says like GITS or lain

Tatami Galaxy. I don’t know if the House of Leaves comparison someone made above is exactly apt. The plot is about the protagonist trying to decide on which club to join in college and each episode involves him joining a different club, having his life unravel completely, and then the narrative rewinding to before he picked a club. It slowly builds up to an incredible final arc. It’s a must watch

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