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Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone 
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Still better than a coal rolling pickup.
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Aug 15, 2021 01:22
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Tayter Swift posted:Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone yeah but if you had a Tesla you’d be an rear end in a top hat, so don’t feel too bad
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Aug 15, 2021 01:40
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Tayter Swift posted:Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone It’s more like the state of California’s fault for inexplicably offering double the rebate for a worse fuel type. Fixing that would do more for the environment than making you feel crummy about your car purchase.
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Aug 15, 2021 01:44
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QuarkJets posted:Jesus christ and it's not even just a little worse than natural gas, that's like a full 20% greater greenhouse gas footprint. So with blue hydrogen a little bit of the CO2 is captured in exchange for emitting way more methane than natural gas. Sweet Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but it also breaks down more quickly. If I could snap my fingers and swap methane and CO2 emissions, I would totally do it, because things would get a lot worse a lot faster, and it'd get humanity off our collective asses to maybe not make an apocalyptic hellscape for my grandkids. I wouldn't worry about it, Tayter Swift. We're trying a bunch of different technologies right now, as a species, and, welp, this one is looking a lot less promising now. That doesn't make you a jerk. It might make somebody else a jerk, if they knew about this and tried to keep it from getting out before you bought your car. Also bear in mind that as a piece of novel technology goes, a hydrogen car is just cool. In 20 years you can sell it to the next Jay Leno.
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Aug 15, 2021 03:21
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Tayter Swift posted:Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone You're beta-testing the technology, so that it may be a viable option when better sources of hydrogen are available. It's a net good, IMO. It's like the chicken/egg problem with electric cars and charging infrastructure. Nobody's going to invest in clean hydrogen generation until there's a feasible way to use it. You can't jump straight to the mature system.
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Aug 15, 2021 03:43
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Fair enough, thanks  I'm not quite at one month yet but I'll say I really like the dang car.
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Aug 15, 2021 04:26
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Big companies like BP have been investing in green hydrogen infrastructure! ... so that they can more effectively sell blue hydrogen, e.g. It is a greenwashing tactic
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Aug 15, 2021 04:50
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Tayter Swift posted:Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone I don't think you have anything to apologize for and I've enjoyed your posts about your FCEV adventures. I think fossil fuel companies and political lethargy are the problem, not individuals.
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Aug 15, 2021 07:07
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Tayter Swift posted:Kinda feel like an rear end in a top hat for getting my FCEV now. Sorry everyone Every manufacturer has already commoditization the environmental benefit of any EV or FCEV you purchase. Because of the credit markets each non-ICE vehicle sold helps keep ICE vehicles on the road. None of us actually get to take credit for any climate benefit because that credit was retained by the manufacturer at time of first sale. cruft posted:Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, but it also breaks down more quickly. If we had 400ppm methane I think the climate science indicates things would be so much worse that your grandkids would almost certainly be worse off. Even the 100 year global warming potential is 28x worse than co2, the 20 year global warming potential is like 80x co2. And swapping them would be ~1000x more methane than now.
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Aug 15, 2021 17:59
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Did my first fast charge using a 150kW Tritium Circle K charger today. I was pretty happy with the results. From 11% to 84% in 37minutes. 44,192kWh charged. I almost "caught up" with the Model 3 that for some reason waited for the 150kW charger only to start charging at 67% with made it charge well below 50kW (there were free 50Kw stalls). When I stopped at 84% he was at 90%. Can't wait to get my own ID.3 instead of the rental (although it's nice to drive for free). Coolest was the e-Tron that got 72kW @ 96% (he only stayed that long because he had to charge to 100% to get home without another charge). Time flies when you talk to people about EVs while waiting / charging.
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Aug 15, 2021 20:57
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Trabisnikof posted:If we had 400ppm methane I think the climate science indicates things would be so much worse that your grandkids would almost certainly be worse off. Even the 100 year global warming potential is 28x worse than co2, the 20 year global warming potential is like 80x co2. And swapping them would be ~1000x more methane than now. Agreed, and to add some substance to these numbers. From Atmospheric methane (Wikipedia): quote:Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is a strong greenhouse gas with a global warming potential (GWP) 84 times greater than CO2 in a 20-year time frame; methane is not as persistent a gas as CO2 (assuming no change in carbon sequestration rates) and tails off to about GWP of 28 for a 100-year time frame. This means that a methane emission is projected to have 28 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years assuming no change in the rates of carbon sequestration. Methane has a large effect but for a relatively brief period, having an estimated mean half-life of 9.1 years in the atmosphere, whereas carbon dioxide is currently given an estimated mean lifetime of over 100 years. Section 4.2 of the "How green is blue hydrogen?" study linked a few comments back did a sensitivity analysis with several different values of methane emission GWPs (GWP20 = 86, GWP20 = 105, and GWP100 = 34). Here is the relevant excerpt and table from section 4.2: quote:Our baseline analysis is based on a 20-year GWP value of 86.13 There is uncertainty in this estimate, so here we also explore the higher 20-year GWP value of 105 presented in Shindell et al.42 Most traditional greenhouse gas inventories use a 100-year GWP, so we explore that as well, using the latest value from the IPCC13 synthesis report of 34. However, the IPCC13 noted that the use of a 100-year time period is arbitrary. We prefer the use of 20-year GWP, since it better captures the role of methane as a driver of climate change over the time period of the next several decades, and the 100-year time frame discounts the importance of methane over these shorter time frames.15, 24  The GWP20 and GWP100 values in the table above are based on IPCC13. Out of curiosity I checked the GWP values from the IPCC Sixth Assessment report that came out earlier this week (warning: full version is 1200 page PDF). The table below is from the chapter 7 supplemental material. Methane emission GWP20 and GWP100 values are highlighted in red:  A so the GWP20 and GWP100 values from the latest IPCC report are 95% and 82% of the values used in the sensitivity analysis results table from the "How green is blue hydrogen?" study, respectively (81.2/86.0 = 0.944 and 27.9/34 = 0.820). Even accounting for the updated IPCC GWP20 and GWP100 values, I don't think it substantially alters the conclusion from the "How green is blue hydrogen?" study, which was that blue hydrogen is not particularly green. Edit: Fix typos, clean up grammar. MrPablo fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Aug 15, 2021 |
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Aug 15, 2021 21:01
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Trabisnikof posted:If we had 400ppm methane I think the climate science indicates things would be so much worse that your grandkids would almost certainly be worse off. I think it would spur everyone into action quicker if things got worse in a hurry. Anyway. I'm charging in Albuquerque again, and predictably, i had to wait. Also there's this:  While I appreciate the sentiment, this is not a good look.
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Aug 15, 2021 21:09
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cruft posted:I think it would spur everyone into action quicker if things got worse in a hurry. Maybe, I'm not so sure. A good chunk of the west coast was on fire last summer and that still didn't convince everyone. cruft posted:
I've seen the exact same nonsense at the Springfield, VA Supercharger. There aren't trash cans so people just leave empty bottles and trash on the grass.
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Aug 15, 2021 21:21
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MrOnBicycle posted:Did my first fast charge using a 150kW Tritium Circle K charger today. I was pretty happy with the results. From 11% to 84% in 37minutes. 44,192kWh charged. I almost "caught up" with the Model 3 that for some reason waited for the 150kW charger only to start charging at 67% with made it charge well below 50kW (there were free 50Kw stalls). When I stopped at 84% he was at 90%. Can't wait to get my own ID.3 instead of the rental (although it's nice to drive for free). Yeah the "rule" that you shouldn't charge above 80% doesn't really count when you get that speed at that charge level.
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Aug 15, 2021 21:49
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MrPablo posted:I've seen the exact same nonsense at the Springfield, VA Supercharger. There aren't trash cans so people just leave empty bottles and trash on the grass. I don't get it. The frunk is such a perfect place for packing out garbage, it won't stink up the cabin or anything. I always have a garbage bag in the frunk for just such eventualities.
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Aug 15, 2021 21:50
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I complain about it in the local thread but techbros can't seem to be bothered to walk a few feet to an empty garbage can when they have a picnic outside. 
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Aug 15, 2021 21:52
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cruft posted:I think it would spur everyone into action quicker if things got worse in a hurry. This is a very "maybe the building manager will hurry up on installing fire sprinklers if I burn down the whole building" sort of post
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Aug 15, 2021 23:40
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QuarkJets posted:This is a very "maybe the building manager will hurry up on installing fire sprinklers if I burn down the whole building" sort of post I feel like it's more a "I've been telling you jerks for decades that the building in going to burn down, and you didn't do anything. Now it's actively burning and you're just getting around to wondering if you should do something about it." kind of post. People don't have an easy time planning decades in advance.
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Aug 16, 2021 00:14
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https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/?offset=0 Oh my loving god okay that's out of the question. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/nissan/leaf/ Ummm..... loving hell WHAT https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/toyota/prius/ Ouch even a old Prius aint cheap. Basically the ICE here is just sitting about and I'm looking for a hybrid / EV runabout I can just plug in esp given these days the biggest trip I drive is only 15km. But woooow. Used car prices are absurd. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2016-subaru-levorg-2-0-gt-s-v1-auto-awd-my17/SSE-AD-7056888/?Cr=14 AHHHHHHHH WTF that's the equivalent of mine with similar kms what the gently caress I paid almost the same price 4 years ago so not just EV's altho those Tesla prices are ridiculous
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Aug 16, 2021 00:47
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/nissan/leaf/ 22.9k AUD (16.9k USD) for a 2015 Leaf.
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Aug 16, 2021 00:53
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In Australia? With no cooling system? 🤯
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Aug 16, 2021 00:58
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Lol 16,000 AUD for an early Leaf Those would be worth like 6-7k NZD (and be overpriced at that)
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Aug 16, 2021 01:01
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Charles posted:In Australia? With no cooling system? 🤯 Esp where it is becoming usual to have 48-49C days in January / February. To be fair, there's a bunch of ICE cars that explode on days like that. I've gone home after one of those days and the side of the highway is littered with bonnet up cars with overheated engines - more so given I live in what passes for mountains here.
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Aug 16, 2021 02:47
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There's a group that does coordinated purchases and imports from Japan of used Leafs. I'll see if I can find a link. Found it: https://www.goodcar.co/bze-sydney-north-bulk-buy?hsLang=en It's no better
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Aug 16, 2021 03:24
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I need a sign that says: Dog in car, AC running, it's AN ELECTRIC CAR! Because Nextdoor.com people are talking about breaking windows.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:37
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Esp where it is becoming usual to have 48-49C days in January / February. I don't know much about Leafs but my car is *actively* air cooled and the batteries still die in hot climates. Here's it's typically been 0-25C so I'm fine but we're seeing more days 30+
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Aug 16, 2021 05:44
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VideoGameVet posted:I need a sign that says: Did Tesla patent dog mode or something? Why can't everybody else rip it off, please?
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Aug 16, 2021 05:44
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A very well named electric scooter with 3 or 4 kWh, 90 or 115 kph top speed. https://electrek.co/2021/08/16/ola-shocks-with-beautiful-high-tech-70-mph-electric-scooters-the-entire-world-needs-to-see/
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Aug 16, 2021 09:42
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https://twitter.com/ap/status/1427246263683190786?s=21
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Aug 16, 2021 13:54
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Lol
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Aug 16, 2021 14:05
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As a happy Model 3 owner without FSD, I say: good riddance. I've had a variation of this conversation several times: "Tesla vehicles are currently the some of best EVs on the market. No, they don't really drive themselves and they won't for a long time. Current 'self driving' technology is a scam and not safe."
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Aug 16, 2021 15:32
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It seems clear to me that level 3+ technology needs to be regulated. It's crazy that they're allowed to release this stuff to the public without having to prove it won't try to kill people 5% of the time.
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Aug 16, 2021 16:53
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I once heard that way more people died when car(t)s were pulled by horses, and that the automobile wound up being much safer in terms of roadway casualties.
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Aug 16, 2021 17:26
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EngineerJoe posted:It seems clear to me that level 3+ technology needs to be regulated. The driver remains responsible for controlling the car, regardless of any self-driving technology. The law does not recognize a self-driving car, so relying on it is a gamble. If the car crashes, the one behind the wheel is on the hook for it, not the seller of the technology. It would take a separate law suit, I guess, of a driver suing the company for deceiving them.
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Aug 16, 2021 17:29
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Is there any tool or app that you could use to like... Test out if an ev might work for you? Put in miles driven, charging speed, and see if what you're doing in your ICE car would be doable with a BEV and if a L1/L2 charger would keep up with your needs? Probably a super niche thing but I could see it as a useful tool for people to see if their driving habits would work with a BEV
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Aug 16, 2021 17:33
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Is there any tool or app that you could use to like... Test out if an ev might work for you? Put in miles driven, charging speed, and see if what you're doing in your ICE car would be doable with a BEV and if a L1/L2 charger would keep up with your needs? Someone linked a route planner that was tailored for EVs earlier. You could pick a specific EV model then plan a route (with starting charge %) and it’d tell you which way to go, where to charge (for how long), etc. I used it to get a ballpark figure of how much my commute would use charge wise then see how often/frequent I’d need to charge.
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Aug 16, 2021 17:35
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https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ is a good site, and it gets pretty on the nose when you put in cold weather.
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Aug 16, 2021 17:40
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ABRP is ok as a reckoner but underestimates my range in general, and significantly if there's an elevation difference.
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I also think it underestimates range, but then again that's not too bad if you want an approximation erring on the side of caution.
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