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Somewhere a disgraced EA-6 pilot is getting a phone call ”one last mission”
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vessbot posted:Don't ever let the truth get in the way of good FBO lore, my friend Thats why I'm passing it on
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Aug 15, 2021 18:40
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hobbesmaster posted:Also first responders are supposed to be trained in clearing a landing zone and ensuring it’s safe to land. Story time. I used to work at a zipline. We were at an old mine site along a mountain and ended up with a run across a small clearing next to the beach - the last run had some great views on clear days. One weekend some people went deer hunting on the mountain above us. They decided to stay an extra day and didn’t notify family. Family called SAR. SAR spent the day over our site looking for them; all day long we had helicopters hovering over us because they saw people in the trees and needed to verify. I was bringing a tour of 9 down and got to that last run. As I was there a helicopter landed in our clearing - UNDER THE CABLE. I have no idea how they didn’t hit it. They sat there idling with the rotor turning about 20 feet below. I had a schedule to keep so I went for it. Then we brought the tour across. Pretty sure that pilot about shat himself. They ended up calling in a crew to guide the pilot out and away from our cables because there was basically no spare clearance to the sides. Cables are hard to spot from the air. When in doubt, land on the beach.
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Aug 15, 2021 20:49
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And something from the other end, a landing rush. More LANDINGS per minute than on JFK AIRPORT | World Gliding Championships Day 5
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Aug 15, 2021 21:37
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Fresh blimp content: https://youtu.be/hueKtbqVbZA I didn't know that during high winds, they'll "fly" the aircraft while it's moored, rather than tethering and letting it windsock.
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Aug 15, 2021 23:21
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Wombot posted:Fresh blimp content: https://youtu.be/hueKtbqVbZA What a garbage organization, calling them blimps when they are airships Also, have a question: you know the MiG-25 was famous for the amount of alcohol it used to cool its electronics. My question is: what that unique to the Foxbat, or was that something in the Red Air Force generally?
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Aug 16, 2021 02:18
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Many early Soviet aerial radars used a total-loss alcohol cooling system. The MiG-21 did, and they made zillions of those. I don't know if it was common outside the Soviet Union. I know that many alternative radar coolants, ones that don't boil off in use, are quite toxic.
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Aug 16, 2021 02:28
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Advent Horizon posted:I was bringing a tour of 9 down and got to that last run. As I was there a helicopter landed in our clearing - UNDER THE CABLE. I have no idea how they didn’t hit it. They sat there idling with the rotor turning about 20 feet below. The rotors were still turning when some lucky members of the public got to sail by twenty feet over them?
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Aug 16, 2021 02:38
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I like this video about the TU-22 and it's alcohol use. The booze stuff starts at 15:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKoHMXggEHU
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Aug 16, 2021 02:43
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There are reports that one of the C-17 planes evacuating Kabul has 800 people on-board 
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Aug 16, 2021 03:01
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Baconroll posted:There are reports that one of the C-17 planes evacuating Kabul has 800 people on-board Cat stare indeed. The world record of one thousand and eighty-eight was set by Israel with a 747 evacuating Ethiopian Jews.
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Aug 16, 2021 03:28
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Baconroll posted:There are reports that one of the C-17 planes evacuating Kabul has 800 people on-board Geez. Hopefully they can put down in Tashkent and don't have to go all the way to Qatar or wherever.
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Aug 16, 2021 03:34
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https://twitter.com/whatismoo/status/1426939056970244103
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Aug 16, 2021 03:37
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I'm glad we have Canberras to photograph these things.
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Aug 16, 2021 03:59
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Platystemon posted:The rotors were still turning when some lucky members of the public got to sail by twenty feet over them? I was young, dumb, and had a schedule to keep. Assembly line tourism doesn’t tolerate delays. Honestly it probably saved the pilot and helicopter.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:54
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Midjack posted:Geez. Hopefully they can put down in Tashkent and don't have to go all the way to Qatar or wherever. They ain't going to be landing in Qatar. 
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Aug 16, 2021 06:36
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For comparison, this is six hundred and seventy‐five people in a C‐17 after Typhoon Haiyan struck the Philippines in 2013.
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Aug 16, 2021 08:09
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There are videos on Twitter of people falling from the C-17 taking off. No detail visible, but I won't embed it. You can look for it yourself if you want. Could have been wheel well, but it looked like it was further off to the side.
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Aug 16, 2021 11:41
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Ola posted:There are videos on Twitter of people falling from the C-17 taking off. No detail visible, but I won't embed it. You can look for it yourself if you want. Could have been wheel well, but it looked like it was further off to the side. yeah saw that this morning, i want to stress that watching the video was an extremely bad time
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Aug 16, 2021 13:45
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From Reuters, via the Guardian:quote:Hundreds of Afghan soldiers fled to neighbouring Uzbekistan with 22 military planes and 24 helicopters last weekend, including one aircraft that collided with an escorting Uzbek fighter jet causing both to crash, Uzbekistan has said. Twitter suggests the collision was between a A-29 Super Tucano and an Uzbek MIG-29. Depending on what they left behind / didn't distroy, the Taliban now might have some Cessna 208, A-29 Super Tucano, Pilatus PC-12. One of the helicopters is reported to be a Sikorsky UH-60. I assume they took the decent stuff and left the 70's Russian stuff behind.
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Aug 16, 2021 18:17
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A video surfaced that appeared to show one of those fancy blackhawks with a LO kit landing, but upon reflection, it's prob just a boring ol' blackhawk.
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Pablo Bluth posted:From Reuters, via the Guardian: The 70s Russian stuff is probably easier to repair.
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Aug 16, 2021 18:23
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hobbesmaster posted:The 70s Russian stuff is probably easier to repair. Can't wait for our weapons systems to be useless to the enemy because they don't have Microsoft E5 licensing
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Kesper North posted:Can't wait for our weapons systems to be useless to the enemy because they don't have Microsoft E5 licensing They'll just buy a grey market license from the Chinese for  .  Yes I know it's not the same thing, that's  .
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Aug 17, 2021 01:50
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Well that doesn't look good https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/prototype-military-transport-plane-crashes-outside-moscow-1.5549968
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Aug 17, 2021 14:17
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slidebite posted:Well that doesn't look good How horrible the last few seconds must have been for the crew 🙁
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Aug 17, 2021 15:39
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Baconroll posted:There are reports that one of the C-17 planes evacuating Kabul has 800 people on-board Final tally was 640. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/inside-reach-871-us-c-17-packed-640-people-trying-escape-taliban/184563/ quote:The C-17, using the call sign Reach 871, was not intending to take on such a large load, but panicked Afghans who had been cleared to evacuate pulled themselves onto the C-17’s half-open ramp, one defense official said. According to the story, it landed in Qatar.
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Aug 17, 2021 16:47
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Unfortunately, some people also tried to hang on to the outside of the plane. This is an image with text describing what happened, but I'll just link it in case people don't want to read it. https://i.redd.it/c8albn01bth71.jpg
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Aug 17, 2021 16:55
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I also remember in that video on the ground what appeared to be damage to the airframe around the center of the fuselage - like someone had bashed a hole into the outer hull but obviously hadn't compromised the inner hull.
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Aug 17, 2021 19:52
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Ugh, that poor crew probably had more than a few seconds. Sounds like the engine was on fire for a bit before the video. https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1427557742089224195
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Aug 17, 2021 20:16
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I wonder why they were banking so hard? It seems like almost any action would've been a better choice with one engine than going for the death stall, maybe loss of controls from whatever caused the fire?
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Aug 17, 2021 23:01
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There was a story somewhat recently about engineers either at KnAAPO or Sukhoi having been found to have fake degree credentials; I can't help but wonder if something like that kind of incompetence in design might've been a factor. Frankly I'm surprised it doesn't happen in Russia more often, but then most of what flies there was built when standards still existed.
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shame on an IGA posted:I wonder why they were banking so hard? It seems like almost any action would've been a better choice with one engine than going for the death stall, maybe loss of controls from whatever caused the fire? Armchair expert mode on Maybe the aileron on that wing was damaged and the other wing couldn't keep up with the increasing drag from the dead engine because the prototype was underpowered
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Aug 17, 2021 23:36
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Standard multiengine training is basically "if you're losing directional control, cut all power, at least you'll crash right-side-up." In practice, it's really hard to commit yourself to "I'm about to crash, let's make it as pleasant as possible" instead of "oh.... I think I have it, I think I can get it out of this situation!" Probably doubly so in an aircraft undergoing testing, where the pilots are very experienced but might not know the full characteristics of the airplane in adverse situations.
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At that altitude, a turboprop engine failure is B A D. You are not only fighting the sudden loss of thrust, you have a windmilling prop that you'll never have time to feather.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:There was a story somewhat recently about engineers either at KnAAPO or Sukhoi having been found to have fake degree credentials; I can't help but wonder if something like that kind of incompetence in design might've been a factor. Frankly I'm surprised it doesn't happen in Russia more often, but then most of what flies there was built when standards still existed. This is definitely a thing in modern Russia; that said it is too early to tell. A dog's ago ago that Sukhoi 100 crashed on a sales flight, and it was 100% distracted crew/Pilot Error. One thing that jumped out at me with the posted article: this is the first transport Russia has designed since the Soviet Union fell. e: WTF, this project started in *1995*? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-112 Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:This is definitely a thing in modern Russia; that said it is too early to tell. A dog's ago ago that Sukhoi 100 crashed on a sales flight, and it was 100% distracted crew/Pilot Error. Nearly every project in Russian Aviation at the moment is something they've thawed out if the old Soviet freezer, this is one of the few exceptions. And I wouldn't be terribly surprised if there are a few bright red freezer burned chicken wings involved in this too, honestly.
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Also, Antonov was their main design bureau for cargo planes, but they’re Ukrainian. They’ve developed the AN-178 family since then and a couple other projects
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Aug 18, 2021 04:16
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The news story said the fate of the crew was, "unclear." Having watched the video, I want to get my guess on the record: not good.
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The Il-112 basically had to get fully redesigned because it didn't meet performance targets
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