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Zugzwang posted:There are numerous people in this thread/the forums who have debilitating long covid, months to a year+ after getting infected. Yeah so what’s your actual thesis? Cancelling school is no big deal? Is that a thing now?
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asdf32 posted:Yeah so what’s your actual thesis? Cancelling school is no big deal? Is that a thing now? *air guitar* hell yah it ain't teach your kid not to pull their rear end out in public and you've successfully done kindergaten
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Aug 16, 2021 04:28
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asdf32 posted:Yeah so what’s your actual thesis? Cancelling school is no big deal? Is that a thing now? What the absolute gently caress is with you people and screaming "KIDS GOTTA GO SCHOOL KIDS GOTTA GO DO EXTRA CURRICULARS. THEIR LIIIVVESSSS" while WE'RE LITERALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEM LOSING THEIR LIVES if they do these things. Their ACTUAL lives, not social poo poo that they primarily do online anyway these days. Kids can get educated at home for a very large majority. Kids can socialize carefully in friend groups that keep track of covid status and do proper things to remain safe. Like I keep running into people like your rear end and I don't loving get it. Kids are DYING. Who gives a flying gently caress about their history grade when they're laying in an ICU bed with a tube down their throat? Y'all are like "oh but long-term-" until it comes to the kids' health then you're like "NAW GOTTA OPEN THIS poo poo UP RIGHT NOW" like there's no other option. "Oh but they might have to repeat a grade" yeah but at least they're alive to do it.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:31
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White Lotus finale giving me the urge to knock up a Vince McMahon meme for Armond and there’s still 10 minutes left for me, and he still lives. But OMG that suitcase scene. Im pretty sure I know what comes next…
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Aug 16, 2021 04:37
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Any parent is going to have to struggle with this, it's really not super easy to pull a kid of any age out of school or daycare and take on education and childcare on your own. It certainly worries us, but it's really not an option for most people to work their jobs, even if they are remote, and also watch their children. Especially for some indefinite amount of time and with no clear idea of when the situation is going to improve. No one wants their child in the ICU or suffering long term, life altering consequences, but it's really not just "Johnny will just stay home with us until this thing blows over", that's not a reasonable solution for most people, even if it is the least risky.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:42
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If only Donnie Trump were still in charge, he would be encouraging all his supporters to get vaccinated, exactly like he’s (not) doing right now
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Aug 16, 2021 04:42
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Aug 16, 2021 04:47
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:What the absolute gently caress is with you people and screaming "KIDS GOTTA GO SCHOOL KIDS GOTTA GO DO EXTRA CURRICULARS. THEIR LIIIVVESSSS" while WE'RE LITERALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEM LOSING THEIR LIVES if they do these things. Their ACTUAL lives, not social poo poo that they primarily do online anyway these days. It's all the parents that see school as free daycare. They want the kids out of the house so they can go to work or bone down or whatever.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:48
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:What the absolute gently caress is with you people and screaming "KIDS GOTTA GO SCHOOL KIDS GOTTA GO DO EXTRA CURRICULARS. THEIR LIIIVVESSSS" while WE'RE LITERALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEM LOSING THEIR LIVES if they do these things. Their ACTUAL lives, not social poo poo that they primarily do online anyway these days. As I already mentioned I watched my 3 week old on oxygen for a week in the ICU with RSV. “Risk exists” isn’t an argument for closing the nations schools. Or never was. Do you want to make that argument now? Seriously dude not every kid has a good family and Internet. And there is a literal mountain of research on the benefits of school and education (hint: it’s not math). It even used to be a pillar of left leaning policy to champion it.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:49
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asdf32 posted:As I already mentioned I watched my 3 week old on oxygen for a week in the ICU with RSV. “Risk exists” isn’t an argument for closing the nations schools. Or never was. Do you want to make that argument now? If I was as bad at math as you I'd be extremely worried about how my kid would turn out if I homeschooled them too
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Aug 16, 2021 04:53
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You’re right there’s nothing we could have done over the last 18 months. throw the kids back into the covid mines
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Aug 16, 2021 04:53
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Look, I was totally unschooled until 18 and aside from major depressive disorder and severe social anxiety I turned out fine!
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Aug 16, 2021 05:00
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asdf32 posted:As I already mentioned I watched my 3 week old on oxygen for a week in the ICU with RSV. “Risk exists” isn’t an argument for closing the nations schools. Or never was. Do you want to make that argument now? Since we're in the nakedly selfish phase of the thread again, let's be clear. You can gamble with your kid's life all you want, at least until someone responsible stops you, but sane people don't want you or your kid gambling with their lives. And that's what the petri dishes we call public education will accomplish: gambling with a bunch of other people's lives.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:00
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Well that'll be an interesting case study.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:01
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asdf32 posted:Yeah so what’s your actual thesis? Cancelling school is no big deal? Is that a thing now? Don't you also oppose masks in schools
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Aug 16, 2021 05:02
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asdf32 posted:As I already mentioned I watched my 3 week old on oxygen for a week in the ICU with RSV. “Risk exists” isn’t an argument for closing the nations schools. Or never was. Do you want to make that argument now? Yeah, Zoom teaching doesn't exactly work for elementary schoolers either. It was one thing when the covid lockdowns were supposed to be temporary but now with no end in sight remote leaning is not acceptable.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:05
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Pekinduck posted:Yeah, Zoom teaching doesn't exactly work for elementary schoolers either. It was one thing when the covid lockdowns were supposed to be temporary but now with no end in sight remote leaning is not acceptable. If there were plans besides "pinky swear the kids wear masks and everyone gets tested once a week" I'd be more enthusiastic about addressing the education problem. Ideally the pod system would be used with small numbers of children in a classroom (a ratio like ten children per educator), with downright invasive contact tracing in the event of a COVID infection being caught in weekly screenings.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:10
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It’s narcissistic that much of America views their way as the only way to raise children. Other cultures (and America’s own history) are ignored at best. At worst, they are seen abusive, and the kids need to be rescued and assimilated into white culture. I know we haven’t had a pandemic this bad in over a hundred years, but kids being left behind in schooling isn’t among their major legacies. Remote schooling is frustrating, but the alternative is far worse.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:18
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Platystemon posted:It’s narcissistic that much of America views their way as the only way to raise children. Other cultures (and America’s own history) are ignored at best. At worst, they are seen abusive, and the kids need to be rescued and assimilated into white culture. wat
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Aug 16, 2021 05:20
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John_A_Tallon posted:If there were plans besides "pinky swear the kids wear masks and everyone gets tested once a week" I'd be more enthusiastic about addressing the education problem. Ideally the pod system would be used with small numbers of children in a classroom (a ratio like ten children per educator), with downright invasive contact tracing in the event of a COVID infection being caught in weekly screenings. I might be ok if cohort sizes were small, cohorts didn't mix during maskless lunch in a cafeteria, there were in classroom air filtration that the school could actually answer questions about, and there were a strong quarantine policy, test and trace policy, and surveillance testing. Basically, if they were doing all of the things. But they're not and they won't.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:21
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Dren posted:I might be ok if cohort sizes were small, cohorts didn't mix during maskless lunch in a cafeteria, there were in classroom air filtration that the school could actually answer questions about, and there were a strong quarantine policy, test and trace policy, and surveillance testing. Yes, I agree with this.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:22
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I was thinking of “kill the Indian, save the man”, but as bad as opening schools in an uncontrolled respiratory pandemic is, it does not morally compare to that atrocity, so I didn’t want to name it directly. It turns out that other people raise their kids differently, and in most cases that’s perfectly O.K..
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Aug 16, 2021 05:25
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From what I hear over here they're going forward very carefully with masks, contact tracing, tests, and contingency plans to shut down if things go bad. Course Florida et al are just doing whatever but what can you do.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:28
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Pekinduck posted:Yeah, Zoom teaching doesn't exactly work for elementary schoolers either. It was one thing when the covid lockdowns were supposed to be temporary but now with no end in sight remote leaning is not acceptable. I think we should just keep saying it's not acceptable instead of putting resources into making it acceptable. You know what's worse then maybe having a less then ideal education? Dying. Dying is worse. I'm not sure why people seem to struggle with this concept so much.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:29
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Platystemon posted:I was thinking of “kill the Indian, save the man”, but as bad as opening schools in an uncontrolled respiratory pandemic is, it does not morally compare to that atrocity, so I didn’t want to name it directly. You're comparing Canada's residential schools to modern public education?
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Aug 16, 2021 05:32
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A Strange Aeon posted:but it's really not an option for most people to work their jobs, even if they are remote, and also watch their children. this is literally the only reasonable excuse to have your kid in school when there are literally millions of cases active. asdf32 posted:As I already mentioned I watched my 3 week old on oxygen for a week in the ICU with RSV. “Risk exists” isn’t an argument for closing the nations schools. Or never was. Do you want to make that argument now? "I watched my child on oxygen and I fully support other parents having to go through that, too"
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Aug 16, 2021 05:35
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Pekinduck posted:You're comparing Canada's residential schools to modern public education? youre just askin questions their point is obvious, even if the metaphor is mangled
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Aug 16, 2021 05:36
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Dren posted:I might be ok if cohort sizes were small, cohorts didn't mix during maskless lunch in a cafeteria, there were in classroom air filtration that the school could actually answer questions about, and there were a strong quarantine policy, test and trace policy, and surveillance testing. Yeah the CDC went "It's okay for schools to reopen for in person classes as long as they do [long list of stuff] but they should go virtual/hybrid if their county reaches a certain level of transmission risk (which was the huge majority of counties across the entire nation at the time)" but everyone just heard "It's okay for schools to reopen" and went hogwild In their latest recommendations they're not even recommending virtual schooling any more. The do recommend masking "for use indoors among people aged 2 and older who are not fully vaccinated" over and over and over but of course many states have banned mask mandates in schools so 
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Aug 16, 2021 05:37
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Pekinduck posted:You're comparing Canada's residential schools to modern public education? No, and the paragraph you cut from the quote makes that clear. Why do you assume Canada? It’s not a uniquely Canadian problem.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:38
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Platystemon posted:No, and the paragraph you cut from the quote makes that clear. No particular reason, Canada is notorious, particularly bad and ongoing with no accountability but its happened elsewhere.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:43
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First of May posted:Look, I was totally unschooled until 18 and aside from major depressive disorder and severe social anxiety I turned out fine!  
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Aug 16, 2021 05:49
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Duck and Cover posted:I think we should just keep saying it's not acceptable instead of putting resources into making it acceptable. You know what's worse then maybe having a less then ideal education? Dying. Dying is worse. I'm not sure why people seem to struggle with this concept so much. Dude there is no such thing as zoom kindergarten and don’t believed any tech bro with a disruptive app saying otherwise.
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Aug 16, 2021 05:55
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nexous posted:covid mines So yeah, mines are not a bad analogy.
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Aug 16, 2021 06:00
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To this day, if you drive around coal country, you’ll find signs like this one. Some people afflicted with black lung get a modicum of relief by sleeping on the porch. The sign asks travellers to let them sleep in peace.
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Aug 16, 2021 06:09
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asdf32 posted:Dude there is no such thing as zoom kindergarten and don’t believed any tech bro with a disruptive app saying otherwise. Hmmm well I think being socially stunted is fixable while being dead is not. Wait hold on do you have a mother box?
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Aug 16, 2021 06:34
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Duck and Cover posted:Hmmm well I think being socially stunted is fixable while being dead is not. Wait hold on do you have a mother box? I certainly have access to your mother's box
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Aug 16, 2021 06:57
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I certainly have access to your mother's box I don't get it, please explain it to me.
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Aug 16, 2021 07:01
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What would sleeping on your porch do for you that sleeping inside wouldn't?
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Aug 16, 2021 07:10
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AHH F/UGH posted:What would sleeping on your porch do for you that sleeping inside wouldn't? Listen paw paw sleeps outside ; that’s just how it is.
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Duck and Cover posted:Hmmm well I think being socially stunted is fixable i think all of our posting histories indicate otherwise
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