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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Oh sorry the hoarders prefer it be called "collecting".

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Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
I do need to unload my closet full of old computers while the retro bubble is still bubbling. I am sure if I wait another two years my boxed C128 might be even more valuable, but it also would no longer be in the way when I want to get to my winter coats

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Postin' on page 486 :cool:

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Xerxes17 posted:

Postin' on page 486 :cool:

Bad news, it's actually page 486SX.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I'm waiting for page pentium

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Powered Descent posted:

Bad news, it's actually page 486SX.

But overclocked from 25 to 33, oh yeah!

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

My first computer was a 486SX/33. It ran DOOM semi-acceptably.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Powered Descent posted:

Bad news, it's actually page 486SX.

Could be worse, it could be a 486SLC

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
posting on page file

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
Can't wait for page 68030!

Trip report: cleaning the Apple ADB wedge mouse https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus_Mouse

Button switch is an Omron D2F-01L83, looks like a new replacement is D2F-01F (perhaps not exactly correct actuation force though). The original is almost certainly a custom part number, so finding the exact spec is difficult.
Ball readout is via optical chopper wheels, looks like near-IR.
The clear packages are LEDs, the red ones are photodiodes (2 sets per axis).
Disassembly is trivial, just remove the 4 screws.

Long story short:
Electronics cleaner seems to have sorted the microswitch out fairly well, though I'll probably replace it at some point. Measured >150 Ohm in some cases, now always below 2 Ohm even for minimum force.
Poor tracking is not always related to the ball; the optical readout can be unreliable causing poor movement response.
In my case after trying to clear dust I made a bad situation slightly worse, and only horizontal movement worked after reassembly.

The cause was debris stuck in the narrow slit in front of one of the vertical axis photodiodes. I was able to remove it by using a small Q-tip and some cleaner.
If you have a scope, you can probe the output of the photodiodes directly (one side is 5 V, the other goes to the IC and has a strong signal). Peak-amplitude should be at least 3 V when moving the little wheel. Less than that and it will probably not be reliable.
Shifting the LED and photodiodes slightly can also help improve the signal.

It looks like the optical system is not particularly sensitive to visible light; it worked flawlessly at ~5 kLux white LED lighting.

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

https://edwardhalferty.com/2018/04/08/how-to-make-an-optical-macintosh-mouse-for-16/

I wonder if that board and arduino fits inside an original mac mouse, it would be a shame to go through all that effort and not have it look the part

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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TOOT BOOT posted:

My first computer was a 486SX/33. It ran DOOM semi-acceptably.

In high school I had a raytracing buddy who had a 486SX/25. My 386DX/33 with 387 coprocessor could handily keep up with him, boy that was a rush

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


Humphreys posted:

VHS stuff:

Check this!






These car parts are loving filthy! These are how i buy my house, and keep my house hot!!! Ugh i'm so mad

Student: what is her job

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

SLOSifl posted:

These car parts are loving filthy! These are how i buy my house, and keep my house hot!!! Ugh i'm so mad

Student: what is her job

Caaaar paaaarts!

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



r u ready to WALK posted:

https://edwardhalferty.com/2018/04/08/how-to-make-an-optical-macintosh-mouse-for-16/

I wonder if that board and arduino fits inside an original mac mouse, it would be a shame to go through all that effort and not have it look the part

That's a great post and a neat hack, but there's nothing really wrong with a ball mouse, especially on the tiny resolution of an old Mac.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
watching a video about dreamcast...noticed the funniest poo poo:

compatible with windows CE, LOL.

SeXTcube
Jan 1, 2009

I’ll have you know a wide selection of shovelware titles you’d never care to play utilized the Windows CE functionality.

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.

Pham Nuwen posted:

That's a great post and a neat hack, but there's nothing really wrong with a ball mouse, especially on the tiny resolution of an old Mac.

IMO the slow mouse speed + no acceleration is a bit annoying on a dual 1024x768 display, so a higher resolution optical mouse would be much nicer to use.
After using the wedge mouse for a bit it's starting to make sense why RSI was such a big deal back then, it is a terrible shape for a human hand.

There are products to use a standard USB mouse on ADB, but AFAIK no cheap option.
Not sure if low cost STM32s etc. can act as USB controllers or if they only support device modes, but USB 1.1 HID to ADB bridging should be feasible using relatively cheap parts + a fair bit of effort.

E: weird behaviour on the wedge mouse circuitry; I had sprayed the moving parts with PTFE to get that smooth ball action. Seems the photodiodes are extremely sensitive to PCB contamination, I spray cleaned the PCB with brake-cleaner and made sure any excess PTFE was gone and now it's completely fine.

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Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I opened, cleaned, and lubricated three Sony 800K drives today (standard Macintosh auto-inject drives), and all three had ruined ejector gears. Luckily you can get 12 of them shipped for $20 these days, thanks to 3d printing.

I also learned about a game called "Mac-Challenger" (https://macintoshgarden.org/games/mac-challenger), a space shuttle simulator released the year before Challenger exploded. It's not a very fun game; it's a low framerate flight simulator where the only thing you can do is land. Good thing I've got two copies of it...

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


A thing arrived!


Can I play now?



Love how its all powered by the OG controller port

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Steel Battalion!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS
I remember working retail when Steel Battalion came out - our store got sent four copies with the controller and we weren't expecting to get poo poo. We sold two immediately, and then my boss put two of the others aside so he could sell them on ebay. I called him a price gouging dick

Then head office called and said we'd accidentally been shipped stock that should have gone to Web orders and we needed to send as many as we had left back, and they knew we'd only sold two so they wanted two back. So I laughed in my boss's face and packaged them up to send back.

We did not have a good working relationship.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humphreys posted:

A thing arrived!


Can I play now?



Love how its all powered by the OG controller port

Oh hell yes. I got to play some Steel Battalion at PAX, pretty great.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

LifeSunDeath posted:

Oh hell yes. I got to play some Steel Battalion at PAX, pretty great.

There was a Let's Play of it recently.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Weren't 50% of the buttons on the controller just single-use things you flip once at the start of the game for immersive reasons and then never use again?

As in 'flip these nine switches to turn on the fuel supply, lock the cockpit, start the engine, etc...' and then they're not used again.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

LifeSunDeath posted:

watching a video about dreamcast...noticed the funniest poo poo:

compatible with windows CE, LOL.

IIRC, it was basically "Game devs could write using Windows and some variations of DirectX for the Dreamcast, but nobody ever did and it was a really dumb joke of a thing".

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Sweevo posted:

Weren't 50% of the buttons on the controller just single-use things you flip once at the start of the game for immersive reasons and then never use again?

As in 'flip these nine switches to turn on the fuel supply, lock the cockpit, start the engine, etc...' and then they're not used again.

Yeah, the different model mechs had different startup sequences you had to input into the controller and hit "Launch!" at just the right moment. It was satisfying as gently caress.

I found a controller, with an additional MS Sidewinder II, for $20 at a flea market, played around with it on my OG XBOX to see that it worked, and sold it on for $200. I would have loved to keep it, but I had no space for it.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Neito posted:

IIRC, it was basically "Game devs could write using Windows and some variations of DirectX for the Dreamcast, but nobody ever did and it was a really dumb joke of a thing".

Not entirely true. I worked on Hasbro Game Development in the late-90s and we had Trivial Pursuit, Monopoly, and a really experimental build of Roller Coaster Tycoon in the testing and compatibility department for Windows CE PDAs. All three had DC ports but I don't think they were ever released.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Not entirely true. I worked on Hasbro Game Development in the late-90s and we had Trivial Pursuit, Monopoly, and a really experimental build of Roller Coaster Tycoon in the testing and compatibility department for Windows CE PDAs. All three had DC ports but I don't think they were ever released.

You got any deep eastereggs in RCT that no one's found yet?

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

LifeSunDeath posted:

watching a video about dreamcast...noticed the funniest poo poo:

compatible with windows CE, LOL.

Windows CE was a perfectly competent embedded OS and not a terrible choice for something like a games console. Slashdot types making GBS threads themselves because something had a MS logo on it doesn't mean its actually bad.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

LifeSunDeath posted:

You got any deep eastereggs in RCT that no one's found yet?

Wasn't my project, and if there were that version never shipped or really ever got out of limited testing. I have no idea who would even have a copy.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

EDIT: Nevermind, Google is my pal

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r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

https://i.imgur.com/p7Y3Sdz.mp4


....money well spent!

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR


Nice!

I'm having a lot of trouble finding the RAM expansion for my 70CT, I found a company that could still make them but they can't source the chips right now.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Sweevo posted:

Windows CE was a perfectly competent embedded OS and not a terrible choice for something like a games console. Slashdot types making GBS threads themselves because something had a MS logo on it doesn't mean its actually bad.

A comic's writer I follow on Twitter still seems to read Slashdot. The first time I saw it, my thought was "I thought that site was dead".

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Thomamelas posted:

A comic's writer I follow on Twitter still seems to read Slashdot. The first time I saw it, my thought was "I thought that site was dead".

Admitting to reading User Friendly in 2021, shameful.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Pham Nuwen posted:

Admitting to reading User Friendly in 2021, shameful.

Gerry Conway.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



I always wondered why it was called Slashdot, it seemed to me like "dot-slash" was the more common jargon one would encounter i.e. in the *nix world

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

Data Graham posted:

I always wondered why it was called Slashdot, it seemed to me like "dot-slash" was the more common jargon one would encounter i.e. in the *nix world

I heard it was because saying the url out loud would be an injoke for nerds / confusing for normies- “go to h - t - t - p colon slash slash slashdot dot org”

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longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
Ended up buying a new battery for the PB G4 - ran it for 1.5 hours on battery (basically idling with the screen on) and it still reports over 50% capacity.
Will have to run it down fully and recharge but it certainly appears to be using decent quality cells - I was half way expecting to have to start by popping it open and doing a cell replacement.

The cells are Samsung ICR18650-22s, which should be a close match for the original cells.

Downside: the aluminium cover that goes on the outside was replaced with a piece of black plastic film. Seems like they ran out of actual aluminium covers or something.
Peeling it off does reveal an identical plastic design below including the charge button so I decided to transfer that part from the old dead battery.

Removing the cover from the old battery pack rating: bad, but not as horrible as it could have been.
It was held on with a ~0.5 mm thick piece of what seems like acrylic adhesive on a fairly thick plastic carrier. Getting it off without bending it was not trivial.
Removing the remaining glue was surprisingly easy, most of it came off mechanically and the rest dissolves in acetone.

I have a sheet of 300LSE adhesive that might work for getting it on the new battery.

E: 300LSE works great for this kind of thing, super thin and seems fairly strong.
Battery held out for ~3 hours in total, with 1.5-2 hours of idling and 1 hour of real use with solid CPU loading. Turned off with estimated 2 minutes left, which is definitely adequate.

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