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latinotwink1997 posted:So what’s their long term strategy here? Delta/covid is really never going away now. Unless NZ intends to never let foreigners in, they’ll have to deal with it at some time. Unless they’re banking on a vaccine coming out that unequivocally protects all people. Or are they going to lock down every time someone is infected? I think the big issue is as of now NZ barely has anyone vaccinated. Less than 30% with one shot.
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latinotwink1997 posted:So what’s their long term strategy here? Delta/covid is really never going away now. Unless NZ intends to never let foreigners in, they’ll have to deal with it at some time. Unless they’re banking on a vaccine coming out that unequivocally protects all people. Or are they going to lock down every time someone is infected? sorry just need some clarification are you criticizing the planning and covid response of the country that has had a single locally transmitted case recorded since february
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Cowcaster posted:sorry just need some clarification are you criticizing the planning and covid response of the country that has had a single locally transmitted case recorded since february What was unclear about the question? It's a very real, very legitimate question to ask.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:08
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and "the same way they've been handling it for the past year and a half" seems like the very real, very legitimate answer
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Aug 17, 2021 21:10
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Cowcaster posted:and "the same way they've been handling it for the past year and a half" seems like the very real, very legitimate answer So, isolationist until when? That’s what I’m asking. Will I never get to visit NZ then? Do they lock down every other week for a single positive test? At what point is it deemed “safe” for them? Are they at 30% vaccine rate because of supply or demand?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:17
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Mozi posted:god sez, you lose
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Aug 17, 2021 21:17
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latinotwink1997 posted:So what’s their long term strategy here? Delta/covid is really never going away now. Unless NZ intends to never let foreigners in, they’ll have to deal with it at some time. Unless they’re banking on a vaccine coming out that unequivocally protects all people. Or are they going to lock down every time someone is infected? Presumably they'll be more lenient when they get above 17.5% fully vaccinated and 12.5% partially. For now it seems a logical step, considering the ability of Delta to spread and how unprotected the population is. latinotwink1997 posted:Are they at 30% vaccine rate because of supply or demand? As I understand it, it's because of supply. Australia is having the same problem: for whatever reason the two places are having a great deal of trouble securing doses.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:20
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Xotl posted:Presumably they'll be more lenient when they get above 17.5% fully vaccinated and 12.5% partially. For now it seems a logical step, considering the ability of Delta to spread and how unprotected the population is. Ok, this makes sense then, thanks. Any idea if they have a population more willing to take the vaccine than say your average American?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:28
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latinotwink1997 posted:So what’s their long term strategy here? Delta/covid is really never going away now. Unless NZ intends to never let foreigners in, they’ll have to deal with it at some time. Unless they’re banking on a vaccine coming out that unequivocally protects all people. Or are they going to lock down every time someone is infected? Strategy - Be the only habitable place left in a few years
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latinotwink1997 posted:So, isolationist until when? That’s what I’m asking. Will I never get to visit NZ then? Do they lock down every other week for a single positive test? At what point is it deemed “safe” for them? Are they at 30% vaccine rate because of supply or demand? Have they been locking down every other week for a year and a half?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:31
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Xotl posted:
I'd imagine for Australia it's a combination of them going heavily for AZ, which has had a lot of delivery problems outside of the UK and EU. That and from what I understand they were so good at slowing spread from locking down that were somewhat deprioritized. Checking online NZ is currently still at a point where they're only vaccinating ages 50+ and the only vaccine they've approved for their rollout is Pfizer. They ordered J&J and AZ but I'm assuming haven't recieved any yet.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:33
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QuarkJets posted:Have they been locking down every other week for a year and a half? I don't believe so as far as I know, but if Delta got in once it will get in again. We've seen what's happened to fortress Australia.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Ok, this makes sense then, thanks. Any idea if they have a population more willing to take the vaccine than say your average American? Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I'd imagine for Australia it's a combination of them going heavily for AZ, which has had a lot of delivery problems outside of the UK and EU. That and from what I understand they were so good at slowing spread from locking down that were somewhat deprioritized. I found this article from late July discussing the Australian situation: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-26/covid-vaccine-rate-in-older-australians-vaccination-figures/100324228 They blame sourcing for part of the problem, but not all. I would think that COVID/vaccine denialism is strong across the Anglosphere, thanks to the cultural influence of the States.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:41
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Australia and NZ had a travel bubble too until NSW's government hosed everything up.
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Xotl posted:
Eh I'm not so sure looking at the UK and Canada's vaccination uptake.
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Decon posted:That is a sweet woman and I'd bet that was the first time in years if not decades that she's said "loving". I’m surprised they’re asking for monoclonal antibodies, I thought horse dewormer was their drug.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Add it to the pile This dumbass oaf represents my district. He also voted against a statewide ban on bestiality. His brother is actually super chill though and basically his polar opposite lmao.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Eh I'm not so sure looking at the UK and Canada's vaccination uptake. Well, "strong" is relative, I admit. I'm in Canadian and the attitudes are definitely there (pretty much copying U.S. expressions of those attitudes, complete with obsessions over U.S. political figures), but all the same we're enjoying very high rates of vaccination takeup. Xotl fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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metachronos posted:This dumbass oaf represents my district. He also voted against a statewide ban on bestiality. His brother is actually super chill though and basically his polar opposite lmao. Ah, what the gently caress?
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metachronos posted:This dumbass oaf represents my district. He also voted against a statewide ban on bestiality. Lol
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How are u posted:I don't believe so as far as I know, but if Delta got in once it will get in again. We've seen what's happened to fortress Australia. Well then you kind of answered your own question, by determining that they haven't ever had to lock down every other week. My guess is that their policy is based on the actual situation on the ground, and that they're focusing on total eradication via quarantine and isolation while that's still feasible. So far they've proven that they can effectively do that. If that stops being the case, then that's the time to consider relaxing restrictions and focusing on mitigation, not before.
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gay picnic defence posted:Ah, what the gently caress? Freedom isn't free
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Xotl posted:I found this article from late July discussing the Australian situation: Many in Australia blame the government groups responsible for mixed guidance on the AZ vaccine, but at least equally culpable (IMO) has been the media reporting on "concerns" about the AZ blood clots. Originally Pfizer was prioritized for high risk groups and AZ was gradually released to the rest of the population, starting with the oldest. Unfortunately by that point a bunch of the boomers were terrified of blood clots so many were refusing to get AZ. The government finally made it available to all adults at the end of June but with the dosages spaced three months apart.
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DickParasite posted:Many in Australia blame the government groups responsible for mixed guidance on the AZ vaccine, but at least equally culpable (IMO) has been the media reporting on "concerns" about the AZ blood clots. Originally Pfizer was prioritized for high risk groups and AZ was gradually released to the rest of the population, starting with the oldest. Unfortunately by that point a bunch of the boomers were terrified of blood clots so many were refusing to get AZ. The government finally made it available to all adults at the end of June but with the dosages spaced three months apart. We saw similar reactions here in Canada, when we were able to secure an AZ supply. I got a double-dose of that (after slow elderly rates, they opened the doses up to younger people rather than wasting it and we all hoovered it up quick), but yeah, my mother went through the same fear and held out until we got something else. It's a really lovely argument position when you have to start with "don't worry, the odds of your blood clotting is really low" and I find it hard to blame people for not wanting to take that gamble, even if it's a gamble along the lines of "walk outside and you might be hit by lightning", because people are bad with statistics and everyone knows there's alternate vaccines out there that they can hold out for.
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Xotl posted:I found this article from late July discussing the Australian situation: The biggest issue with the Australian vaccine rollout was the federal government trying to haggle with Pfizer and the only placing an order in November 2020 when their order book was full. As a result we’re only now just starting to see significant quantities of vaccines other than AZ. The other vaccines they ordered, one was canned in the trial stage because it gave HIV false positives and the other one was Novavax which is having significant production and delivery problems.
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Just lol https://twitter.com/JeremySWallace/status/1427722633685213186 https://twitter.com/PatrickSvitek/status/1427735050033016836
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gay picnic defence posted:The biggest issue with the Australian vaccine rollout was the federal government trying to haggle with Pfizer and the only placing an order in November 2020 when their order book was full. As a result we’re only now just starting to see significant quantities of vaccines other than AZ. The other vaccines they ordered, one was canned in the trial stage because it gave HIV false positives and the other one was Novavax which is having significant production and delivery problems. Novovax's biggest problems isn't production and delivery, it's that their trials started later and have taken longer so it's not actually approved for use anywhere yet.
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Zil posted:Just lol I reckon Abbott would either be the only person in America getting monoclonal antibody treatment while having no symptoms, or he has some significant symptoms.
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Zil posted:Just lol Lol get hosed
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metachronos posted:This dumbass oaf represents my district. He also voted against a statewide ban on bestiality. His brother is actually super chill though and basically his polar opposite lmao. this is the quality content i read gbs for
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Pinecone Sample posted:I reckon Abbott would either be the only person in America getting monoclonal antibody treatment while having no symptoms, or he has some significant symptoms. The rules for those in power are different, friend metachronos posted:This dumbass oaf represents my district. He also voted against a statewide ban on bestiality. Because... it wasn't harsh enough? 
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latinotwink1997 posted:So, isolationist until when? That’s what I’m asking. Will I never get to visit NZ then? Do they lock down every other week for a single positive test? At what point is it deemed “safe” for them? Are they at 30% vaccine rate because of supply or demand? My understanding is that the plan is to open the borders in the first half of next year. Personally I think we could just keep a 2 week quarantine up because why the heck not? Anyway I just popped in to ask about masks, seeing as I have to think about this now and would rather not wade through whatever misinformation can be found in a google search. What is the latest on cloth masks? How about face shields?
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Pinecone Sample posted:I reckon Abbott would either be the only person in America getting monoclonal antibody treatment while having no symptoms, or he has some significant symptoms. Regeneron monoclonals are authorized for use pretty widely. The conditions that qualify basically cover all US adults (BMI>25, hypertension, diabetes, >65 years old) and IIRC the US government already bought a bunch that's just sitting on shelves. So any goons reading this who test positive should definitely try to get monoclonals. Call around and don't give up if your Dr is a dumbass who prescribes something stupid like antibiotics. Monoclonals are great but only in the first few days.
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TIL Greg Abbott's used a wheelchair since 1986 and has been paid $9M since then as part of a lawsuit against the homeowner and tree care company after a tree fell on him while he was jogging at age 26. $5000/month since 1986 increasing at 4%/year, plus lump sums every 3 years. all tax free too
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Weka posted:Anyway I just popped in to ask about masks, seeing as I have to think about this now and would rather not wade through whatever misinformation can be found in a google search. What is the latest on cloth masks? How about face shields? get a KF94, N95, KN95 or FFP2 rated mask. No idea which of those you can easily get in NZ or if there's a bunch of counterfeits
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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/ Some quotes, but the full article is interesting: quote:Letting the virus rip through unvaccinated people may get us to endemicity quickest, but it will also kill the most people along the way. quote:Delta has already derailed summer reopening plans in the U.S. And with so much of the world still vulnerable to infection, the virus has many, many opportunities to luck into new variants that may yet enhance its ability to spread and reinfect. The good news is this virus is unlikely to evolve so much that it sets our immunity back to zero. “Our immune responses are so complex, it’s basically impossible for a virus to escape them all,” says Sarah Cobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago. For example, levels of antibodies that quickly neutralize SARS-CoV-2 do indeed drop over time, as happens against most pathogens, but reserves of B cells and T cells that also recognize the virus lie in wait. This means that immunity against infection may wane first, but the protection against severe illness and death are much more durable. quote:The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. quote:Endemic COVID-19 means finding a new, tolerable way to live with this virus. It will feel strange for a while and then it will not. It will be normal.
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Fate Accomplice posted:TIL Greg Abbott's used a wheelchair since 1986 and has been paid $9M since then as part of a lawsuit against the homeowner and tree care company after a tree fell on him while he was jogging at age 26. You missed the best part. https://www.texastribune.org/2013/08/04/candidate-faces-questions-turnabout-and-fair-play/
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Just sweet talked my doc into a third dose of Moderna in my own name. If anyone calls about it I'm supposed to fake liver failure.
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Charliegrs posted:Lol get hosed
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