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Jazerus posted:our culture has less developed memories because we're literate. literacy is at its base a way to compensate for your memory being imperfect, if you don't have a crutch then you work much harder to remember things. on a societal scale literacy is often better at information preservation and is obviously much better for information transmission, while the document survives, and not having to devote as much energy to remembering frees you up to do other things - lots of advantages to literacy - but there are some downsides too. this guy argues that literacy has reduced peoples imagination because now it is easier to reference written facts than interpret meaning from our surroundings. many orally communicated myths convey historical information about geologic events that have changed the landscape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7yzsaOdBR4&t=259s
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Jazerus posted:our culture has less developed memories because we're literate. literacy is at its base a way to compensate for your memory being imperfect, if you don't have a crutch then you work much harder to remember things. on a societal scale literacy is often better at information preservation and is obviously much better for information transmission, while the document survives, and not having to devote as much energy to remembering frees you up to do other things - lots of advantages to literacy - but there are some downsides too. this is just speculation there's no way to measure that. and to say that non-literate cultures didn't have any way of recording things is just wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Altamira https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Field
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Aug 17, 2021 22:11
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hell, we have material and decently studied effects on memory in the last 20 years from having google
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Aug 17, 2021 22:13
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ArmZ posted:this is just speculation there's no way to measure that. and to say that non-literate cultures didn't have any way of recording things is just wrong. it's a good thing i didn't say that they had absolutely no way of recording things, then. and yes, there is actually plenty of evidence of this both historical and modern; there has been a lot of study of australian aboriginal oral traditions and the function of memory there, as well as various other native oral traditions around the world. it's quite well-documented that if you spend a significant portion of your life learning to remember things you will be better at it than someone who depends on external memory aids. i think there are some greek writings about how old folks complained that literacy was degenerating the minds of the youth when it was first taking off, too.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:49
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Gonna blow my grandkids' minds by telling them I used to memorize my friends' phone numbers
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Aug 17, 2021 22:55
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i could easily defeat any ancient egyptian in a match of starcraft 2
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Aug 17, 2021 23:03
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PostNouveau posted:Gonna blow my grandkids' minds by telling them I used to memorize my friends' phone numbers Our roommate is amazed that I know my zip code, she's only like 3 years younger than me
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Aug 17, 2021 23:05
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little munchkin posted:i could easily defeat any ancient egyptian in a match of starcraft 2 i bet you couldn’t beat a modern egyptian at starcraft never mind an ancient one
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little munchkin posted:i could easily defeat any ancient egyptian in a match of starcraft 2 Trap sprung 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's pretty standard for Chinese parents (maybe others, but the ones I've heard of are explicitly Chinese, often Mainland Chinese) to buy condos for their college-going children, wait till the child graduates, then sell the condo at a profit. Win-win. Vancouver would be the ideal place to do this. The student may be the actual owner, or this may be a way of protecting the profits from being taxable to the parents. In Vancouver it's to evade the foreign buyer/speculation taxes that were specifically set up to prevent housing from costing $40 million in the first place.
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Jazerus posted:our culture has less developed memories because we're literate. literacy is at its base a way to compensate for your memory being imperfect, if you don't have a crutch then you work much harder to remember things. on a societal scale literacy is often better at information preservation and is obviously much better for information transmission, while the document survives, and not having to devote as much energy to remembering frees you up to do other things - lots of advantages to literacy - but there are some downsides too. We live in a culture that deliberately wants us to forget things. This is new development from after world war II. It was a cross between advertisers selling you junk and people just wanting to forget the war ever happened. This is like 70% of where I know this stuff from - see if you can get it for free from the library. https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/literary-modernism-the-struggle-for-modern-history Gertrude Stine or Virginia Woolf (forget which) they hate remembering The weight of History is too much, so they gave up instead of trying to remember the history of words. mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 23:21 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 23:17
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people born male are better at physics because they need to know extremely complicated gravitational systems and fluid dynamics to not piss on the toilet seat at 3am
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Aug 17, 2021 23:20
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:people born male are better at physics because they need to know extremely complicated gravitational systems and fluid dynamics to not piss on the toilet seat at 3am The urinals at my work disprove this statement.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:22
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Shwqa posted:The urinals at my work disprove this statement. i did define it as "people" your workmates aren't people, obviously
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Aug 17, 2021 23:24
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Shwqa posted:The urinals at my work disprove this statement. But if you check out the men's room at CERN you could eat your lunch off the floor, and each urinal cake has a hole drilled precisely through it's center with pee
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Aug 17, 2021 23:24
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:people born male are better at physics because they need to know extremely complicated gravitational systems and fluid dynamics to not piss on the toilet seat at 3am Gonna go compete in women's physics competitions and use my biological advantage for profit. Maybe I'll invent artificial wombs and obsolete the feminine essence with my transsexual empire buddies later idk.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:25
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tokin opposition posted:Gonna go compete in women's physics competitions and use my biological advantage for profit. Maybe I'll invent artificial wombs and obsolete the feminine essence with my transsexual empire buddies later idk. i don't know if they have pissing competitions anymore i know they used to in medieval times
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Aug 17, 2021 23:26
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:i don't know if they have pissing competitions anymore Believe me, anything involving academia definitely has pissing contests.
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Byzantine posted:On the other-other hand, video games wouldn't be invented for four thousand years, so what else were you gonna do? Riot and revolt were historically popular alternatives to corvee labour.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i'm being a fuckin weirdo about this in certain ways but formal game theory is a theory of mind and a technology at the same time. I don't think ancient egyptians could've come up with MAD - it requires weapons of great destructive power to exist Yeah, I've been getting hung up because Theory of Mind is a specific thing in psychology "theory of mind refers to the mental capacity to understand other people and their behavior by ascribing mental states to them." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind (sorry for quoting wikipedia). It's something that is innate in humans (barring disorders), develops in infancy and is related to social interaction and language acquisition. It may even exist in other species. Philosophy of mind or of consciousness are completely different from that and are largely cultural artifacts. I'm not familiar with Jaynes theories, I'll have to read up on that.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:23
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jaynes really is a nutter. but at least he had the good grace to be an interesting nutter
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Aug 18, 2021 00:27
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Well I'm glad we got that all cleared up. Anyway, I call it crapitalism
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Shame Boy posted:Our roommate is amazed that I know my zip code, she's only like 3 years younger than me That's just your roommate being a doofus, zip codes are still relevant in a way memorizing phone numbers is not, plus it's one five digit number not bunches of longer ones raspurtin posted:It may even exist in other species.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:37
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 Boy scout sexual abuse has got to be funnier than the office.
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raspurtin posted:It may even exist in other species. When a crow is caching food, if it knows it is being watched by another crow it will continue as normal, then come back later and relocate the cache when it's not being watched. To me that strongly implies some kind of theory of mind Edit: juvenile Australian magpies play hide and seek at least as well as a five-year-old human child GotLag has issued a correction as of 03:41 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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The Bloop posted:That's just your roommate being a doofus, zip codes are still relevant in a way memorizing phone numbers is not, plus it's one five digit number not bunches of longer ones Actually it's her being chronically homeless and bouncing around between friends' houses a lot before this so zip codes were kinda useless information to retain for any amount of time to her, but that's a lot more depressing so I left it out 
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makes it pointless in the context of the conversation so good call there
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Aug 18, 2021 06:53
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Ruffian Price posted:makes it pointless in the context of the conversation so good call there Look I just want to rant about kids these days okay  (And yeah she's doing better now  )
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:people born male are better at physics because they need to know extremely complicated gravitational systems and fluid dynamics to not piss on the toilet seat at 3am Sitting down is not extremely complicated lmao.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Sitting down is not extremely complicated lmao. ??? If you sit down to take a piss you might end up taking a poo poo then you’ve woken up fully at 3am and you’re hosed, god, you people are amateurs
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Sitting down is not extremely complicated lmao. Then you risk touching the inside of the bowl, a fate worse than death. Thankfully evolution provided us an out!
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Jazerus posted:it's a good thing i didn't say that they had absolutely no way of recording things, then. and yes, there is actually plenty of evidence of this both historical and modern; there has been a lot of study of australian aboriginal oral traditions and the function of memory there, as well as various other native oral traditions around the world. it's quite well-documented that if you spend a significant portion of your life learning to remember things you will be better at it than someone who depends on external memory aids. i think there are some greek writings about how old folks complained that literacy was degenerating the minds of the youth when it was first taking off, too. sorry you're a dumbass this is just anti-modernist bullshit most kids these days spend their whole school life memorizing things for tests. your whole argument is based on speculation.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:57
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ArmZ posted:most kids these days spend their whole school life memorizing things for tests. your whole argument is based on speculation. Don't 99% of them then immediately forget 99% of that stuff after the exam though?
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Aug 18, 2021 13:01
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:??? I have voluntary control of when I poo poo
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Aug 18, 2021 13:07
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repetition is a key part of long term memory yes. that's why his argument is dumb, people's memory wasn't better back then they just repeated things more often through oral tradition etc.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:07
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Sitting down is not extremely complicated lmao. Check your elongated bowl privledge.
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ArmZ posted:repetition is a key part of long term memory yes. that's why his argument is dumb, people's memory wasn't better back then they just repeated things more often through oral tradition etc. the OP says this dumbass
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Aug 18, 2021 13:15
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Shame Boy posted:I hope Red Lobster found out about it somehow because I'm sure they love their seafood restaurant being advertised in front of videos on how seafood can kill you if you don't act quickly. But lobsters don't have bones.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:19
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Guys, I'm starting to think capitalism can't solve the climate crisis
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ArmZ posted:sorry you're a dumbass this is just anti-modernist bullshit  we're potentially "smarter" now for those of us that know how to look things up, which has become progressively easier over the last 30-40 years
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