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pokeyman posted:When did the thread that calls Greens "Tesla Tories" decide that their voters will flock to the NDP? I'd like to know what the second choice among Green party members would actually be. When I was working on local campaigns a lot of the rank and file Greens I ran into were ex-NDP who didn't seem to have read the party's platform or put any deep thought into what our real environmental problems are. The actual candidates I've looked at are closer to the stereotype. I suspect the Greens are like the old Reform Party - if you're in the ranks it's what you want it to be. Hell, I would have gone Green except I read their platform.
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Aug 17, 2021 17:38
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What exactly is so compelling about the NDP's platform or record (mostly provincially, granted) on the environment? All that springs to mind is their insistence on cap-and-trade instead of a carbon tax, and BC happily clear-cutting old growth forests more or less regardless of which party is in power.
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Aug 17, 2021 18:14
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Mr. Clean keeps doubling and tripling down on fighting the "political" decision by Trudeau to mandate vaccines for public service workers.
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Aug 17, 2021 18:18
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Hexigrammus posted:I'd like to know what the second choice among Green party members would actually be. When I was working on local campaigns a lot of the rank and file Greens I ran into were ex-NDP who didn't seem to have read the party's platform or put any deep thought into what our real environmental problems are. The actual candidates I've looked at are closer to the stereotype. I suspect the Greens are like the old Reform Party - if you're in the ranks it's what you want it to be. They're not LIKE the old Reform Party, they ARE the old Reform Party. There's an incredible amount of shared members, it's astonishing.
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Aug 17, 2021 18:18
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What the gently caress is store brand Mr. Clean here referring to when he whines that Trudeau 'lied' to people with some website thing?
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Aug 17, 2021 18:24
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He compared Kandahar to Vimy and Juno.
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Aug 17, 2021 18:31
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I don't remember reading about Tim Hortons having presence in the field of Vimy and having a beach shack near Juno...
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Aug 17, 2021 18:33
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HackensackBackpack posted:Oh gross, really? I had no idea. Shame. I tend to like their stuff. This is pretty silly. The feds are interested of areas of provincial jurisdiction. The recent Liberal childcare plan being an example. So I looked and it seems like a very decorum brained person.
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Aug 17, 2021 19:37
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Stop comparing bullshit to Vimy and Juno challenge.
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Aug 17, 2021 19:42
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UnknownMercenary posted:Stop comparing bullshit to Vimy and Juno challenge. This election is O'Toole's Dieppe
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Aug 17, 2021 19:56
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Trudeau is Naismith and O'Toole is the peach buckets.
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Aug 17, 2021 20:00
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Another Bill posted:Trudeau is Naismith and O'Toole is the peach buckets. O'Toole is the peaches, lying on the ground, bruising easily.
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Aug 17, 2021 20:10
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eXXon posted:O'Toole is the peaches, lying on the ground, bruising easily. No, people like peaches. He's more like mountain ash berries, in that normal humans find them gross, but completely separate creatures (birds for mountain ash, conservatives in O'Tool's case) find them palatable. PT6A fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 20:14
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I realistically have no hopes for this particular election. Like not seeing much chance of a Singh government of any kind being formed and remain absolutely petrified of some ignorant conservative culture warrior psychopath getting in and just declaring total all out war against anything remotely good, decent, intelligent and productive for society at large and just making a total loving mess out of things since that's basically what modern conservatism seems to be about. I admit I don't know much about Erin O'Toole other than he immediately looks like your cut and dry old white Conservative shithead politician to a T (and probably is), but if he's anything remotely like Andrew Scheer I don't want him anywhere near serious decision making powers over the course of the country. A quick read up on him says he's apparently deliberately spoken out against far-right politics and espouses a return to a more moderate Conservative party that doesn't just declare all out scorched earth war on everyone but old white people, but I've just fully had enough of conservative poo poo heads and don't think they're really entitled to a chance in Canada any time again soon. Especially after the global rise of people like Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson and Suga and what a disaster for humanity that has proven in just about every metric out there. They just....consistently gently caress things up, declare culture wars on everyone but old white cis-male people, embrace low brow nationalist/tribalist behavior and belief systems, are aggressively anti-science, petty as all imaginable gently caress, and just all around bad loving people with bad baleful loving intentions at this stage of the conservative moment.
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Aug 17, 2021 20:24
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Kale posted:I realistically have no hopes for this particular election. Like not seeing much chance of a Singh government of any kind being formed and remain absolutely petrified of some ignorant conservative culture warrior psychopath getting in and just declaring total all out war against anything remotely good, decent, intelligent and productive for society at large and just making a total loving mess out of things since that's basically what modern conservatism seems to be about. I admit I don't know much about Erin O'Toole other than he immediately looks like your cut and dry old white Conservative shithead politician to a T (and probably is), but if he's anything remotely like Andrew Scheer I don't want him anywhere near serious decision making powers over the course of the country. Sir this is a Tim Horton's drivethru
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Aug 17, 2021 20:25
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Vintersorg posted:Erin O'Tool seriously looks like the dictionary description of a loving tool. It's so cliche but gently caress - look at that photo. What the gently caress is that. Dude looks like he's in his 60's and those clothes look like poo poo on him. Probably would with anyone. Who the gently caress tucks in a tshirt. I know they say you shouldn't necessarily judge a book by it's cover, but again recent precedent for how conservatives behave when in power has me saying I know what you mean. Maybe conservatives shouldn't have spent the last decade of making me wary of old white politicians and what sinister plans they have for the average human being if they didn't want me to look at that image and say "yeah...not a chance Another Bill posted:Sir this is a Tim Horton's drivethru No it's not a Tim Horton's Drivethru it's the thread for discussing Canadian Politics and I'm doing that. I suggest going to an actual Tim Horton's drivethru if you want a cup of coffee or whatever. 
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Aug 17, 2021 20:31
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The D&D CanPol thread is serious business, folks. Don't even think of making irreverent posts ITT, you must treat this very important election with the respect and decorum it is due.
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Aug 17, 2021 20:41
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Pee pee. Doodoo. Refusing to recognize another country's de facto government is a meaningful gesture that accomplishes things. Woozle...wozzle?
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Aug 17, 2021 20:55
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infernal machines posted:The D&D CanPol thread is serious business, folks. Don't even think of making irreverent posts ITT, you must treat this very important election with the respect and decorum it is due. I greatly benefited from the side splitting humor of seeing the "sir this an *x popular fast food company* drivethru" shitpost one more time. It was that one instance in particular that really made the difference I assure you.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:01
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flakeloaf posted:Pee pee. Wrong thread?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:23
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HackensackBackpack posted:True and Singh has also frequently brought up issues that are provincial in jurisdiction. So?
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Aug 17, 2021 21:36
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I am going to draw a dick and balls on my ballot because I honestly don't give a gently caress any more and everyone sucks. The Lib candidate in my riding started her career on real estate boards, I don't think I can bring myself to vote for her. And so far, the NDP do not seem to believe they have a candidate in my riding, at least according to their website. Other sources state they do have one, but if throwing up a picture and a bio on the website is beyond their capacity, I don't feel comfortable voting for them.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:39
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flakeloaf posted:Pee pee. Are we refusing to knowledge the Taliban in Afghanistan now or is this something else? PT6A posted:I am going to draw a dick and balls on my ballot because I honestly don't give a gently caress any more and everyone sucks. A self portrait would de-anonymize your ballot... IDK about where you are but in my riding in Ontario the federal NDP candidate was only chosen at the end of last month, I had no idea who was selected until a few days ago. So it may be that they either haven't actually nominated a candidate in your riding, or the nomination has just gone through and they're still getting everything going for the campaign. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 21:39
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Mad Hamish posted:What the gently caress is store brand Mr. Clean here referring to when he whines that Trudeau 'lied' to people with some website thing? Human Resources chief for the public service posted a letter to employees saying that if they refuse to get vaxxed under the liberal plan, they will have to get tested instead. National Post et al jumped at this and said that this meant that the Liberal and Conservative plans are actually the same. The letter was deleted shortly thereafter and the Liberals’ doubled down on their promise to have some kind of consequence for those who refuse to get vaccinated. Now the Conservatives are saying that a public servant was pressured by the Liberal party to remove the letter which is an ethical breach, and they are calling for an investigation. The whole thing is very dumb and tedious. No matter how much the Liberals use the word “mandatory”, its clear that there are legal considerations here and you probably won’t get fired for refusing to get vaxxed. So you have the opposition acting like it’s some kind of life and death issue when in reality the thing they are railing against probably won’t be implemented, and the outcome will probably the same regardless of who wins. And even if they did find implement the more draconian version, the amount of public servants who are refusing to get vaxxed for nonmedical reasons is probably tiny, so there are really no stakes here. Kind of a perfect encapsulation of Canadian politics.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:56
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You should draw a cauliflower penis on your ballot.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:57
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PT6A posted:I am going to draw a dick and balls on my ballot because I honestly don't give a gently caress any more and everyone sucks. What does it matter? MPs are totally beholden to the leader of the party that any personal history or ideological differences are meaningless. This is true of all the parties.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:00
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infernal machines posted:The D&D CanPol thread is serious business, folks. Don't even think of making irreverent posts ITT, you must treat this very important election with the respect and decorum it is due. Wait, this is D&D? poo poo, I think I'm lost. PT6A posted:I am going to draw a dick and balls on my ballot because I honestly don't give a gently caress any more and everyone sucks. Tempting, but... Kale posted:... remain absolutely petrified of some ignorant conservative culture warrior psychopath getting in and just declaring total all out war against anything remotely good, decent, intelligent and productive for society at large and just making a total loving mess out of things since that's basically what modern conservatism seems to be about. I admit I don't know much about Erin O'Toole other than he immediately looks like your cut and dry old white Conservative shithead politician to a T (and probably is), but if he's anything remotely like Andrew Scheer I don't want him anywhere near serious decision making powers over the course of the country. Same, that motivated me enough to register for a mail-in ballot. Hard to get excited about individual candidates when whipped votes, party discipline, and national leader campaigns work to homogenize everything and make the individuals in parliament irrelevant beyond the final tally. I'm sure though that if I'd continued working hard for the NDP and maneuvered my way in as a delegate to the national convention someone would have been interested in my opinions. As it is now, I receive little cards from my NDP MP with tick boxes next to questions like: "Do you agree with the other guy's plan to develop a new food source by grinding small children into paste or do you support Jagmeet's plan to give them all lollipops? Oh, and send us some money." Part of the problem is reading too many climate change papers. The IPCC report is a literature review on 10 year old data and it was out of date before the first leak. What's coming down the pipe is going to be very interesting and all of these people seem as prepared to deal with it as a Republican governor facing a pandemic. At least the wind shifted and we're not getting smoked out atm. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to take a look at what Malm has to say about blowing up pipelines.
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Aug 17, 2021 22:34
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tagesschau posted:Wrong thread? Yeesh, still too serious? I have limits, you know! infernal machines posted:Are we refusing to knowledge the Taliban in Afghanistan now or is this something else? We are most definitely refusing to acknowledge the Taliban in Afghanistan, but sub "again" for "now'. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-recognition-taliban-1.6143660 quote:Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau put the pin back in a political grenade today by firmly declaring that Canada will not recognize the Taliban regime as the legitimate government in Afghanistan. The fairness, freedom and applicability of the democracy that installed Ashraf Ghani, and his objective value as the hopelesly corrupt leader of one of the worst-governed failed states the world has seen in five decades, is open to some interpretation. infernal machines posted:A self portrait would de-anonymize your ballot... 
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Aug 17, 2021 23:04
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Is it illegal if I agree to strategically vote swap with someone in another riding then just draw a dick and balls on my ballot?
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Aug 17, 2021 23:09
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flakeloaf posted:Yeesh, still too serious? I have limits, you know! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Afghan_presidential_election#cite_note-9 Elected with turnout in the teens by the way.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:28
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Ego-bot posted:What does it matter? MPs are totally beholden to the leader of the party that any personal history or ideological differences are meaningless. This is true of all the parties. I agree, but I want someone other than a Conservative to win, and I can't very well accomplish that if my options are a real-estate gently caress or a non-entity. Maybe I'll make peace with the Liberal real estate woman (who probably has the best chance of being elected other than the CPC candidate), maybe the NDP candidate will consider making his existence known to the people in my riding, but until then I don't see the point in voting.
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Aug 17, 2021 23:49
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Nova Scotia election results coming in and it's unsurprisingly swinging back and forth between Grits and Cons. I really wish the older generation would just loving die or the youth would get more active in voting. It depresses me to no end when I see how many people vote for absolute weasels like the cons. Comes from growing up in Renfrew County, I guess, where nothing good is ever allowed to happen and people vote for anyone with a C in front of their name. Like, how do people look at the way that conservstive provinces have been running poo poo into the ground and then say "more of that, please!"
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Aug 18, 2021 00:31
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Arcsquad12 posted:Like, how do people look at the way that conservstive provinces have been running poo poo into the ground and then say "more of that, please!" Because they aren't. They aren't thinking about anything beyond their front yard, their pocketbook and whatever number is in their stock portfolio. There are a lot of people who are doing quite well under these governments and they don't care about anything else. They don't want the government touching their money or their asset values to help someone they don't know, like or care about.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:45
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Arcsquad12 posted:Like, how do people look at the way that conservstive provinces have been running poo poo into the ground and then say "more of that, please!" by not looking any further. "Well, this poo poo sucks, but it was the best that could be done!"
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Aug 18, 2021 00:57
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Cocaine Bear posted:Is it illegal if I agree to strategically vote swap with someone in another riding then just draw a dick and balls on my ballot? Nope. For the simple reason that how would it be? Even if you had a contract to so that contract would be extremely unenforceable.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:06
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Nova Scotia election results coming in and it's unsurprisingly swinging back and forth between Grits and Cons. It's only swinging in one direction. Global just called Tim Houston the tagesschau fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 01:12
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Arcsquad12 posted:Nova Scotia election results coming in and it's unsurprisingly swinging back and forth between Grits and Cons. Unsurprisingly? Every single poll I saw had the Libs winning at least a minority government. Seems like a pretty big upset. Edit: before anyone says it, yes I know that the polls are always bad for Canadian elections Starks fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 01:27
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Hexigrammus posted:Wait, this is D&D? poo poo, I think I'm lost. It's kind of worse for me than being concerned about a CPC PM's willingness to deal climate change at this stage of how I've come to see conservatism. The way that right wing conservatism seems to be trending and with the kind of rhetoric we started to see from Scheer and not to mention all the culture war poo poo conservatives are always on about 24/7 now I find the whole ideology deeply disturbing and sinister in modern times. It just seems to be motivated by grievance and spite for all other forms of political ideology to the point where it's less a concern of whether there prepared or whether they choose to go full culture war and just deliberately act against it out of spite and malice and pass all sorts of weird laws to actively promote pollution to "own the libs". Conservatives are more than welcome to convince me otherwise with their campaigns and that there's anything more to their ideology and politics than "own the libs" narrow minded culture war bullshit thinking, but based on recent history, how conservatism has trended globally since the rise of Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson etc. and how every conservative I know acts, talks and thinks I would sooner expect another blitz of "Grrrrrrrrrr JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS SATAN HIMSELF!" The blithering anger and need to gently caress the other guy brand of politics just doesn't do it for me so much as identifying and solving our poo poo that's in plain sight to see right now.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:29
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I'm voting for Elbowtitty McBlackface, love that guy.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:39
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The Nova Scotia election upset is making me really nervous about the Federal now.
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Aug 18, 2021 01:42
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