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https://twitter.com/PA/status/1427932774237880323 gently caress 
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https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1427933473277423623 gently caress off universe.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:23
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15 Storeys High was one of the last great sitcoms I can remember seeing.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:36
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Gutted. 58 is no age and he was head and shoulders most of the "comedians" they shove on tv.
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Aug 18, 2021 11:53
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Well thats horrible, he was an extremely funny bloke and I had no idea he was battling cancer...
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Aug 18, 2021 11:55
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loving hell, that's a bit of a shock.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:05
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Shame, he was a funny guy. Seemed like he was still all over the TV right to the end, that might just be the nature of all those panel shows being filmed as a single bloc tho
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Aug 18, 2021 12:10
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Well gently caress, time to go watch carrot in a box again Dude was pure chaos comedy 
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Aug 18, 2021 12:11
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theghostpt posted:Well gently caress, time to go watch carrot in a box again I've spent the last hour or so at work watching Carrot in a Box, Carrot in a Box 2, Challenging Wank and Nazi Island. RIP Sean Lock. On the Labour front, if Starmer were to somehow win, you'd have Rachel "to the right of the Tories on welfare" Reeves as chancellor, and fuuuuuuuuuuck that.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:23
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You are all having real trouble with the truism that red ties make you more benevolent than blue ones
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Aug 18, 2021 12:29
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Lungboy posted:On the Labour front, if Starmer were to somehow win, you'd have Rachel "to the right of the Tories on welfare" Reeves as chancellor, and fuuuuuuuuuuck that. Excuse me, but I think you'll find that Labour are actually better than the Tories, so it cannot be true that a Labour MP is worse, QED.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:31
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so what does this voter-centric behaviour actually look like like do they actually think they will be able to knock on doors and tell people that labour will do whatever crazy poo poo each person wants to happen and that people won't be able to figure out that they're saying the same to everyone :/
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Aug 18, 2021 12:32
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like jesus christ what world do these people live in, you knock on any randomly selected dozen or so houses in a town and you'll have everything from wanting the return of public executions to bringing back hymns for schools and metal dustbins and good old lightbulbs like they used to be and banning shampoo and who knows what else you're really going to indulge everyone in the country by telling them you're going to do just what they want 
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Aug 18, 2021 12:36
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I'm assuming this is from a comic book but everything about this looks like it's from a pack of 'legal highs'
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Aug 18, 2021 12:40
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The more you think about it, the less sense it all makes. Lol.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:40
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*snorts a fat line of DM-104* I AM BATMAN! *collapses on the floor with a massive headache*
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Aug 18, 2021 12:41
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crispix posted:like jesus christ what world do these people live in, you knock on any randomly selected dozen or so houses in a town and you'll have everything from wanting the return of public executions to bringing back hymns for schools and metal dustbins and good old lightbulbs like they used to be and banning shampoo and who knows what else
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Aug 18, 2021 12:43
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crispix posted:like jesus christ what world do these people live in, you knock on any randomly selected dozen or so houses in a town and you'll have everything from wanting the return of public executions to bringing back hymns for schools and metal dustbins and good old lightbulbs like they used to be and banning shampoo and who knows what else I will end dog fighting and also the use of dogs for meat in foreign restaurants. I am fully against satanic witchcraft and big tunnels full of children. I will ban unnecessarily confusing dustbins, you know the ones. More freedom for mothers to arrange summer programmes for the children with macaroni pictures or something.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:43
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Borrovan posted:see I reckon it was the opposite of genius, I know a bunch of "centre-left" libs irl who bought into the "Corbyn is not effective opposition / Starmer will be" thing (people who actually voted for Corbyn, I mean, not the disingenuous "I don't support him because he's unelectable because I don't support him" lot), and they have shut the gently caress up now it has become apparent that we very clearly no longer have an effective opposition. Banging on about it for years has made the true believers & wreckers look like complete idiots. I mean I didn't vote for the dude because I didn't trust him but I could see him having worked out if he had, y'know, done the things he said he was going to do in the leadership election, like, at all, instead of just instantly veering to the hard right of the party and literally trying to be more Tory than the Tories. These people were naive, imo, but I can at least see where they were coming from. Borrovan posted:I remember knocking on a door in 2015 & the bloke saying he'd definitely be voting for Corbyn because Theresa May won't even bring back hanging for treason something something Brexit. Quickly noted him down as "for" and backed slowly away. Maybe he thought the rightwing ranting about gulags and Mosin-Nagants was real?
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Aug 18, 2021 12:50
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TACD posted:I'm assuming this is from a comic book but everything about this looks like it's from a pack of 'legal highs' My assumption would be a Chinese knockoff toy of some sort.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:51
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crispix posted:so what does this voter-centric behaviour actually look like it means whatever you want it to mean! 'removing silos' also looks a tad out of place when the previous slide looks an awful lot like creating a bunch of silos. kudos to whoever sold them this pablum; just glad my dues aren't funding it anymore
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Aug 18, 2021 12:55
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Unless Labour get some policies and a substantial change in direction, I'll decide when there is an actual General Election whether to vote Labour or not, probably no more than a couple of weeks out. I'll certainly not vote tory. My best alternative to Labour round here is probably Plaid Cymru though they hardly get a look in - so far anyway. Meanwhile, I quit the party in terms of activity in Jan 2020 (by announcing my intention to quit at my local branch and CLP various January meetings so they could find replacements for the various offices I held so I didn't leave them in the lurch) and stopped paying after the March 2020 direct debit (so I could vote in the leadership - though the choice of candidates was again 'least worse' especially after they all signed pledges to the BoD). I'm absolutely sickened and disgusted by the direction the party has taken under Starmer and I do not regret for one second ceasing any time or money expended on their behalf. I did many unpaid hours (not on the street as that is not my forte - social media, data analysis etc more my thang - I did do some street work eg stall-personning with great reluctance though!). I did vote Welsh Labour in the senedd elections in May because Drakeford is doing a pretty good job. Rustybear posted:it means whatever you want it to mean! Probably paid Evans' and his wife's 'consultancy' company £000s for the privilege. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 18, 2021 |
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Aug 18, 2021 12:57
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Surely voter-centric means completely ignoring lapsed voters and not trying to get them to return to voting for labour. It's a total dead end.
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Aug 18, 2021 12:57
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My gardener last year was always going on about his "waste of a brother" and how he would ring him when he was on the job begging for money and never paid him back. One day the topic turned to politics and he said "You know the one thing... the one thing I'm really glad is that wanker Corbyn never got in" I said "oh? why's that?" Without a shred of irony he said "His brother... his brother is a mental case" and then went on about things running in the family. loving mad.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:01
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One of the problems I see with trying to read Starmer's tea leaves (especially on here) is that we are assuming that the average farting skittle is even vaguely aware of politics to the extent that we are. I know a bunch of people who think Laura K is corrupt and should be sacked, but they think it's because she's anti-government and 'always going on about what they've done wrong.' The same people say they like Starmer because he 'looks the part' and they're still banging on about his 'playing the long game' and appealing to the sensible middle ground of pensioners who don't understand economics. I think I could sum it up with the person who, last local elections, asked who was the best person to vote tactically for. Post-brexit politics has broken so many people who want to vote for the right person without doing any of the leg work or looking up anything about the parties or candidates.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:07
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Bobby Deluxe posted:One of the problems I see with trying to read Starmer's tea leaves (especially on here) is that we are assuming that the average farting skittle is even vaguely aware of politics to the extent that we are. Seriously, if you can even roughly accurately articulate what is a left or right wing policy, you're more informed than maybe 70% of the British population. I know it sounds incredibly snobby to act like we're so above them but the level to which most people just don't engage with politics is astounding.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:10
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feedmegin posted:My assumption would be a Chinese knockoff toy of some sort. Fake trading cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTRUdRA_srw&t=6s (not exactly same package, but same text, logo and holograms)
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Aug 18, 2021 13:13
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crispix posted:like jesus christ what world do these people live in, you knock on any randomly selected dozen or so houses in a town and you'll have everything from wanting the return of public executions to bringing back hymns for schools and metal dustbins and good old lightbulbs like they used to be and banning shampoo and who knows what else Sounds like we need to square this circle with massive deregulation and a reduction of the state! But Starmer's Labour is definitely extremely different to the Tories, so I'm sure they'll do it very socialistly.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:13
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Last time I got into a discussion about this with my brother he was asking why we have to divide everything up into left wing and right wing. So I told him to quickly google what those things generally refer to. Now I just have to argue him down from "Well of course I'm left wing, I just don't think those things are realistic."
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Aug 18, 2021 13:15
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crispix posted:bringing back hymns for schools and metal dustbins Hymn For A Metal Dustbin. That nice middle ground where it could be a song either by Penguin Cafe Orchestra or Throbbing Gristle
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Aug 18, 2021 13:16
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feedmegin posted:I mean I didn't vote for the dude because I didn't trust him but I could see him having worked out if he had, y'know, done the things he said he was going to do in the leadership election, like, at all, instead of just instantly veering to the hard right of the party and literally trying to be more Tory than the Tories. These people were naive, imo, but I can at least see where they were coming from. This is an enormous problem with how our democratic institutions work in general. You vote for someone based on what they say and general reading of tea leaves, but if they don't follow up on their promises or do something completely opposite to them, there's nothing you can do about it for years, in which time the person you voted for can do enormous damage.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:17
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Bobby Deluxe posted:One of the problems I see with trying to read Starmer's tea leaves (especially on here) The main problem is that his teacup is actually full of Jameson, not tea
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Aug 18, 2021 13:18
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Borrovan posted:I remember knocking on a door in 2015 & the bloke saying he'd definitely be voting for Corbyn because Theresa May won't even bring back hanging for treason something something Brexit. Quickly noted him down as "for" and backed slowly away. Pretty impressive of that bloke to name drop both Corbyn and May before they were leaders of their party 
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Aug 18, 2021 13:34
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Sounds like we need to square this circle with massive deregulation and a reduction of the state! Gyro Zeppeli posted:Seriously, if you can even roughly accurately articulate what is a left or right wing policy, you're more informed than maybe 70% of the British population. I know it sounds incredibly snobby to act like we're so above them but the level to which most people just don't engage with politics is astounding. Bobby Deluxe posted:Last time I got into a discussion about this with my brother he was asking why we have to divide everything up into left wing and right wing. So I told him to quickly google what those things generally refer to. Like 'far right' seems to refer to people and groups that are fairly economically centrist but also fascists, like the BNP or Le Pen, and people who are economically far right but
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Aug 18, 2021 13:35
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Gort posted:This is an enormous problem with how our democratic institutions work in general. You vote for someone based on what they say and general reading of tea leaves, but if they don't follow up on their promises or do something completely opposite to them, there's nothing you can do about it for years, in which time the person you voted for can do enormous damage. You only have to capture two parties, and they are incentives to collude as it is, and you can totally capture democracy and nobody can do anything about it for years Elections in the UK are a very effective bulwark against democracy The counter to this is "no they wouldn't let that happen"
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Aug 18, 2021 13:37
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Gort posted:This is an enormous problem with how our democratic institutions work in general. You vote for someone based on what they say and general reading of tea leaves, but if they don't follow up on their promises or do something completely opposite to them, there's nothing you can do about it for years, in which time the person you voted for can do enormous damage. Fraud ought surely to be a criminal offence for politicians. Unfortunately judges also suck.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:45
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 Corbyn speaking in the Afghanistan debate, flanked on the back benches by Burgon, McDonnell, RLB and Sultana. They're too good for the Labour Party.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:46
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:the level to which most people just don't engage with politics is astounding. It’s another exciting vicious cycle where a disinterested public incentivises bland, simplistic politics that doesn’t interest people.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:50
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Miftan posted:Pretty impressive of that bloke to name drop both Corbyn and May before they were leaders of their party
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Guavanaut posted:The more I think on it the less sure I am.
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