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BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Blue Footed Booby posted:

Meanwhile, iirc in Iran it is Very Illegal to be gay, but the universal healthcare system will pay for sex reassignment surgery, hormones, etc.

They will also force you to take it against your will so that you may be properly heterosexual

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Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

They will also force you to take it against your will so that you may be properly heterosexual

Also also most of the people who get gender reassignment are rejected by their communities and have to turn to sex work to survive

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/emloubarlow/status/1427227206850256896

https://twitter.com/ItsAndyRyan/status/1426625437757804549

https://twitter.com/rachelsuckz/status/1425980501739905028

https://twitter.com/buitengebieden_/status/1426594255687008257

https://twitter.com/zuza_real/status/1427265815829749764

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Killingyouguy! posted:

It's a different flavour of stupidity but I think the distinction is important if you want to counter the argument
For real though, never counter the argument. It's a waste of time, it only draws attention to whatever stupid poo poo you're arguing against and most importantly, whatever oppressed group you think you're defending probably don't want to see their human rights being debated rather than taken as an absolute. Just tell people to get hosed instead of pretending you're Aaron Sorkin or whatever :v:

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Meanwhile, iirc in Iran it is Very Illegal to be gay, but the universal healthcare system will pay for sex reassignment surgery, hormones, etc.

They will actually forcibly transition cis gay people to turn them 'straight' and stop them from sinning.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



https://twitter.com/thebestofzillow/status/1427424285501517826?s=19

Freaquency
May 10, 2007

"Yes I can hear you, I don't have ear cancer!"


I feel like getting wet in a suit of armor would be an absolutely miserable experience.

ieatsoap6
Nov 4, 2009

College Slice

its for getting head

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

They will actually forcibly transition cis gay people to turn them 'straight' and stop them from sinning.
The "transition as gay conversion therapy" talking point so vigorously pushed by terfs over the past few years dovetailing so very nicely with this narrative (and with Krafft-Ebing/Blanchardian typology) and also that I had no idea where I'd heard it, I decided to have a look around. A lot of it in the past couple of years has centered around Shadi Amin, with scattered references throughout the teens, leading ultimately to the 2008 documentary Be Like Others: Transsexuals in Iran, which I've probably seen at some point.

Contradicting certain parts of this narrative is the research of Zara Saeidzadeh, particularly Transsexuality in Contemporary Iran: Legal and Social Misrecognition (2016) which I was able to read in its entirety and Saeidzadeh's PhD thesis, Understanding Socio-Legal Complexities of Sex Change in Postrevolutionary Iran (2019) which I have yet to but here, have a fuckin abstract:

quote:

Sex-change surgery has been practiced through a medico-judicial process in Iran based on Ayatollah Khomeini's Islamic juristic legal opinion (fatwa), which he issued just a few years after the Islamic revolution, in 1982. According to the Iranian legal system, judges can refer to the fatwas as a source of decision making if there are no stipulations on the matter within existing legal codes. In this article, I elucidate the divergent legal opinions on sex change among Islamic jurists in Iran and how this has amounted to different legal practices by judges in the country. The lack of law has generated difficult-and in some places impossible-conditions for trans persons to undergo sex-change surgery. According to Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa, and by drawing on semi-structured interviews conducted in Iran, I argue that sex-change surgery is not obligatory, opposing those who believe homosexuals in Iran are forced to undergo it. Trans people who decide to do so see it as a way to complete the transition, which indicates the importance of body materiality. Using the information gathered during interviews with trans persons in Iran, I examine bodily experiences during the process of transition, in which I have identified three phases: self-recognition, passing, and rebirth. These analyses show that transition does not happen at once or suddenly, it rather takes a long time and may continue after sex-change surgery, which is only one part of it.

The 2016 article was pretty illuminating concerning the legal status of trans people in Iran—most surprisingly to me, that the legality hinges almost entirely on the deference to Shari'a and fatwa by Iranian law where there is no applicable statute (there is not). Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's 1987 fatwa opened the door and his status as a revolutionary figure has kept it open, but it can conceivably shut—that is, as it happens, where it is even accessible.

Mohammed, Iranian Trans Activist posted:

There is not a single unified method of legal implementation for Ayatollah Khomeini’s fatwa. Judges in Tehran are much more open to sex changes, and people undergo the surgery without much difficulties. However, in cities like Ardebil, Ayatollah Khomeini’s fatwa has no binding force. Therefore, people come here [Tehran] for transition.

Oh dip. Wonder what the process is like?

quote:

The current medical and judicial process for obtaining a certificate for sex change surgery, and subsequently the legal change of name and gender in Iran, involves 13 sessions of psychiatric treatment for self-identified transsexual applicants. These sessions are handled by a team of psychologists and psychiatrists who follow Harry Benjamin’s protocol at the Tehran Institute of Psychiatry (TIP). If the experts at TIP are satisfied, the applicant is referred to the Legal Medicine Organization (LMO) which operates under the supervision of the Ministry of Justice. If the LMO confirms the diagnosis of GID, this confirmation is followed by a certificate for sex change surgery being given by the Administrative Court at the Ministry of Justice. Transsexual persons who undergo the surgery may ask the family court for a legal change of name and gender. In other cases, if TIP’s psychiatrists diagnose the applicant as a homosexual, the person will be considered mentally ill and referred to a different section for more psychotherapy treatment. It should be noted that persons diagnosed with GID should also fulfill other requirements to be eligible for sex change surgery, which is different from being medically diagnosed. These requirements are: legal age of majority (18 years old), having completed 12 months of hormone therapy, and have lived as the opposite gender for one year (Saberi et al. 2010, 209). LMO in Iran assesses the diagnosis of GID based on DSM-IVFootnote11 diagnostic criteria (Aghabikloo et al. 2013, 131). What is more, based on the fatwa, those who have received the diagnosis and the certificate for sex change surgery can live as a trans person without undergoing the surgery as long as they do not fall into sinful actsFootnote12 (Kariminia 2012, 105).
Just gonna point out this for the skimmers:

quote:

if TIP’s psychiatrists diagnose the applicant as a homosexual, the person will be considered mentally ill and referred to a different section for more psychotherapy treatment.
Let's pull this thread:

quote:

The law requires all male citizens over age 18 to serve in the military, but exempts gay men and transgender individuals, who are classified as having mental disorders.
Okay, far from awesome but not exactly the spacious 2br 1½ bath with an excellent view in the ad.

Transition as a form of conversion therapy may occur, but the chances of it being a matter of actual policy are somewhat diminished by there being other established and comparatively inexpensive varieties of conversion therapy as well as homosexuality itself not being an automatic death sentence (or even prima facie illegal, but that is the thinnest of distinctions).

Is there pressure to straighten oneself by transition? Certainly, from certain sectors and not exactly consistently or evenly. Fact is, even if the outside narrative can be perfectly reconciled with the accounts gathered by Saeidzadeh, what we're looking at for a great number of Iranian trans people is the choice between being murdered by the state or their family (however indirectly and slowly)

Which isn't to say that anyone has it easy. It's a poo poo sandwich for LGBT people, and I'm gonna put a lovely pickle on it with these choice quotes:




Well, if nothing else we've got raging transmisogyny in common, with Iranian Buck Angel and Caitlyn Jenner up there and opinions from medical opinions that vary from the supportive "these people are hosed in the head" to "these people are hosed in the head and 90% of them are just dirty homos who don't know it or won't admit it," which isn't miles away from the interpretation of J. Michael Bailey, but at the very least Dr. Shahriar Kohanzad was never caught loving his patients.

The extent to which definitive conclusions can be drawn is difficult for a wealth of reasons, but I can say without a single shred of doubt that long-standing ideas about transgender identity being intrinsically tied to male homosexuality and social contagion are exerting a great deal of influence both within Iranian society and without.

Which is a very long-winded way of saying "well yes and no" but I didn't read all that poo poo to just say "yes and no" so if you don't like it nuts to you, McGillicuddy

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Shot:

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1427386834523463681

Chaser:

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1427454718050148375

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/BradKutner/status/1427378585938104325?s=19

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/BuzzfeedGDebord/status/1427459614535299077

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1427636676009107470

The replies have gone as well as you’d expect

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

The housing crisis affect both renters and land lords and both deserve help.

I have a great idea on how to get some cash into the hands of those land lords hurting during this time.

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1410913995268276227?s=20

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

alsooooo


(that's his company)

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

https://twitter.com/postingtwink/status/1427727896681062415
https://twitter.com/postingtwink/status/1427733657733718021

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

Really, Tax Engineering? I mean I guess Fraud Guarantee was already taken from the stupid business name basket but come on

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
https://twitter.com/Jermyn78/status/1427703961511989254

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

JEdi loving owns

Zetsubou-san
Jan 28, 2015

Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎
https://twitter.com/eoinjoneill/status/1427533233667944450?s=20

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
https://twitter.com/ericisajoke/status/1082988501111631872?s=19

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Tsk, that's taken out of context:

https://blog.nwf.org/2012/06/spiderman-vs-the-real-deal-spider-powers/ posted:

Spider-Man is able to sense danger lurking near, the warning signal coming as a pain in his head that varies with the intensity of the threat. Spiders can detect danger coming their way with an early-warning system called eyes. You probably expected that. But that’s not all: their most important source of information about the world and its hazards comes from highly sensitive hairs that cover the bodies of most spiders. These hairs perceive even low-level vibrations coming through whatever surface a spider is standing on. Many species also bear hairs that sense vibrations in the air, including sound.

Spider-sense is totally real!

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Good Citizen posted:

alsooooo


(that's his company)

this is an op right?

Story about guy who had 24 properties but he's so sad he's not richer, picture of smug face, you look into him and immediately hit upon his company openly referencing how its a tax dodge. We've all seen this story and are all worse off for it.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Regarde Aduck posted:

this is an op right?

Story about guy who had 24 properties but he's so sad he's not richer, picture of smug face, you look into him and immediately hit upon his company openly referencing how its a tax dodge. We've all seen this story and are all worse off for it.

I am able to inform you that rich people really are that terrible.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶






That whole thread is full of good stuff:

https://twitter.com/L20_MTN/status/1427328758525177857

https://twitter.com/TurningPirate/status/1427323916410884096

https://twitter.com/coleraineyid/status/1427332622594854912

https://twitter.com/ainekavo/status/1427334227977199623

https://twitter.com/lisaabhayden/status/1427357205829988359

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




SimonChris posted:

Tsk, that's taken out of context:

Spider-sense is totally real!

What I'm seeing here is we need a supervillan willing to shave spiderman to remove his spider sense.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Pookah posted:

That whole thread is full of good stuff:


Incredible banter

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Aramoro posted:

What I'm seeing here is we need a supervillan willing to shave spiderman to remove his spider sense.

I shall not google image search that.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


A villain shaving spider-man is definitely one of those bizarre possibly procedurally generated Elsa's Thoracic Surgery youtubes/flash games there's a billion of.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Aramoro posted:

What I'm seeing here is we need a supervillan willing to shave spiderman to remove his spider sense.
Hell, it could work



it'd take a super weird villain to shave Spider-Man though

Maybe Mojo would contract it out for better ratings

stringless has a new favorite as of 14:34 on Aug 18, 2021

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
By the time you're able to shave Spiderman I feel like there's more permanent solutions available to you.

The answer is to obviously prank assault Spiderman by filling his shampoo with Nair.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Taskmaster watches a whole bunch of Brazilian waxings in preparation

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

FFT posted:

Taskmaster watches a brazilian waxings in preparation

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/merrittk/status/1427859096892542976

https://twitter.com/Lenniesaurus/status/1427645769461477385

https://twitter.com/mrchrisaddison/status/1427166323449204739

https://twitter.com/RottenTunaGames/status/1414304849299132416

https://twitter.com/trrvvb/status/1427471982182862849

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.



More from the stellar "Irish people taking the piss out of fashionistas" thread.

https://twitter.com/duffles1/status/1427601845309132826

https://twitter.com/MrWeir/status/1427617462577664012

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

https://twitter.com/DeputyWarlock/status/1428019794452811781

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Hey if anyone is having trouble with Twitter hassling you to make an account, delete cookies and you will be permitted to read threads again.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Platystemon posted:

Hey if anyone is having trouble with Twitter hassling you to make an account, delete cookies and you will be permitted to read threads again.

God bless

Scott Forstall
Aug 16, 2003

MMM THAT FAUX LEATHER

Jet Jaguar posted:

More from the stellar "Irish people taking the piss out of fashionistas" thread.

https://twitter.com/duffles1/status/1427601845309132826

This one is good

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goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Platystemon posted:

Hey if anyone is having trouble with Twitter hassling you to make an account, delete cookies and you will be permitted to read threads again.

There’s an X on that pop up on mobile but the hit box is apparently 1 pixel toward the top right of the X.

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