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Kaedric
Sep 5, 2000

I'm not really batting an eye about executing previous police forces/billionnaires, but I guess I pause a little at 'drug guy'. Yes I'm aware it was a lot of drugs, and they were the lovely kind, but it just makes me wonder if he would have gotten killed for a bunch of weed too.

I definitely still think that a post-revolution world that the death penalty should not be a thing, but I also agree that in a lot of these conflicts, one of the problems I see with the eventual downfall of whatever socialist group gets in power is that they were TOO forgiving of their enemies, who came back (usually with american support) and overthrew them.

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MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
How would anarchists solve the Afghanistan situation right now

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



MLSM posted:

How would anarchists solve the Afghanistan situation right now

hey buddy take a ticket and get in line I'm still waiting for an answer as to how they'd handle containing pandemic spread

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Kaedric posted:

I'm not really batting an eye about executing previous police forces/billionnaires, but I guess I pause a little at 'drug guy'. Yes I'm aware it was a lot of drugs, and they were the lovely kind, but it just makes me wonder if he would have gotten killed for a bunch of weed too.

I definitely still think that a post-revolution world that the death penalty should not be a thing, but I also agree that in a lot of these conflicts, one of the problems I see with the eventual downfall of whatever socialist group gets in power is that they were TOO forgiving of their enemies, who came back (usually with american support) and overthrew them.

Many westerners see drug enforcement as a system of oppression because that's how it's been used against us, while others see drugs themselves as a system of oppression because that's how it's been used against them

Kaedric
Sep 5, 2000

MLSM posted:

How would anarchists solve the Afghanistan situation right now

? How would communists solve it? Isn't the answer just 'leave them alone'?

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
I mean if Pu-Yi, literal Emperor of China, colonialist collaborator, and really hosed up guy, could be reformed into a loyal Communist citizen, I find it hard to believe it's literally impossible to reform a great proportion of the bourgeoisie by way of Gulag. Now of course I understand that in a hypothetical revolution when the bullets are flying you don't exactly have the time to stop and handcuff everyone, I shed no tears for the Tsar after all, but I'm hesitant to say that after you've gained power you have to kill literally everyone who ever owned a factory. Some of them yeah you might though after a trial.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

hey buddy take a ticket and get in line I'm still waiting for an answer as to how they'd handle containing pandemic spread

Fortunately the answer here is simpler, since it's "pretty much just what's happening now"

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Epic High Five posted:

hey buddy take a ticket and get in line I'm still waiting for an answer as to how they'd handle containing pandemic spread

Oh Pnac answered this. It was let them die the earth is too full.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

docbeard posted:

Fortunately the answer here is simpler, since it's "pretty much just what's happening now"

you mean like in china?

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

the response i've gotten was just a handwave of "well everyone will be Good People who care about each other, it'll be fine"

pnac attack
Jul 7, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

MLSM posted:

How would anarchists solve the Afghanistan situation right now

hopefully by not asking such stupid questions

Sedisp posted:

Oh Pnac answered this. It was let them die the earth is too full.

i'm glad *someone* was listening

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Many westerners see drug enforcement as a system of oppression because that's how it's been used against us, while others see drugs themselves as a system of oppression because that's how it's been used against them

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/fawwazanvilen/status/1414074244120530952?s=20

oh yeah, I guess my ideology is stupid if I think about it for a second

ah yes, states, those entities notable for not possessing high tech or having a large impact on the world

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/petersterne/sta...ingawful.com%2F

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Gave me a brief heart attack thinking he had an inappropriate relationship with Little Lord Fauntleroy or something

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)


You have to understand, I had nothing to gain and didn't even really own the magazine - but if I can't control Current Affairs THEN NOBODY CAN!!!

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Do people think that socialist companies don't have managers

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Cerebral Bore posted:

ah yes, states, those entities notable for not possessing high tech or having a large impact on the world

Once Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have the power to destroy whole planets with a thought, everyone will be anarcho-transhumanist

Because no one else will be left

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

evilpicard posted:

Do people think that socialist companies don't have managers

As a co-operative he could've structured CA with himself as an executive officer and even earned more pay, but he literally could not imagine relinquishing any control over a company that didn't even profit him.

Stockwell
Mar 29, 2005
Ask me about personal watercraft.
https://twitter.com/villecallio/status/1428041386885009408?s=19


play cruelty squad

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

https://twitter.com/lyta_gold/status/1428011761635143681?s=20

I hope his lovely magazine folds over this.

The only reason he responded is because he’s deservedly receiving a ton of subscription cancellations right now.

MLSM has issued a correction as of 07:11 on Aug 19, 2021

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
Remember this horseshit? :lol:

https://twitter.com/nathanjrobinson/status/1291211363755360260?s=21

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

I do now, lol.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



however, even though this magazine tries to be interesting, it nevertheless has principles. it is, for example, firmly against the hurting of human beings by other human beings. that position evidently makes us "of the left," though not of the one that puts people in labor camps and enjoys sing-a-longs. we are not like the marxists, with their unicausal explanations and their ominous rhetoric of bloodshed. we are not like the anarchists, who cannot organize an anarchist bookfair, let alone a revolution

:ironicat:

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1410297153604526083

lol

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

As a co-operative he could've structured CA with himself as an executive officer and even earned more pay, but he literally could not imagine relinquishing any control over a company that didn't even profit him.

As an anarchist, I recognize and despise the existence of hierarchical conditions outside strict economic advantage. That purity of vision is why I intend to fire everyone who wants a more democratic structure at our workplace. You see I'm not paid any more than you, and...

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 10:31 on Aug 19, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

quote:


“This was a savage war of vengeance against the Communist regime. Thousands of Bolsheviks were brutally murdered. Many were the victims of gruesome (and symbolic) tortures: ears, tongues and eyes were cut out; limbs, heads and genitals were cut off; stomachs were sliced open and stuffed with wheat; crosses were branded on foreheads and torsos; Communists were nailed to trees, burned alive, drowned under ice, buried up to their necks and eaten by dogs or rats, while crowds of peasants watched and shouted. Party and Soviet offices were ransacked. Police stations and rural courts were burned to the ground. Soviet schools and propaganda centres were vandalized [...]. Simple banditry also played a role. Most of the rebel armies held up trains. In the Donbass region such holdups were said to be ‘almost a daily occurrence’ during the spring of 1921. Raids on local towns, and sometimes the peasant farmers, were another common source of provisions”


“From the start the villagers were suspicious of his co-operative. They could not understand why its prices were so much cheaper than the other retail outlets. The richest peasants, who were closely linked with the established merchants, intimidated Romas and his allies. They filled one of his firewood logs with gunpowder, causing a minor explosion. They threatened the poorer peasants who began to show an interest in the co-operative; and brutally murdered one of his assistants, a poor peasant from the village, leaving his horribly mutilated body in several pieces along the river bank. Finally, they blew up the co-operative (along with half the rest of the village) by setting light to the kerosene store.



“In some places, such as Chernobyl, the Jews were herded into the synagogue, which was then burned down with them inside. In others, such as Cherkass, they gang-raped hundreds of pre-teen girls. Many of their victims were later found with knife and sabre wounds to their small vaginas [...]. The Terek Cossacks tortured and mutilated hundreds of Jews, many of them women and young children. Hundreds of corpses were left out in the snow for the dogs and pigs to eat. In the midst of this macabre scene the Cossack officers held a surreal ball in the town post office, complete with evening dress and an orchestra, to which they invited the local magistrate and a group of prostitutes they had brought with them from Kherson. While their soldiers went killing Jews for sport, the officers and their beau monde drank champagne and danced the night away.

with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that the correct response to the total breakdown of the state and society here was volunteerism and completing the abolishing of the state instead of reconstituting it, as those nasty bolsheviks did

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
It says a lot about the nature of power that the dude who had a moderately successful leftist magazine decided to destroy it rather than relinquishing control over it.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

mila kunis posted:

with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that the correct response to the total breakdown of the state and society here was volunteerism and completing the abolishing of the state instead of reconstituting it, as those nasty bolsheviks did

jesus christ, that was hell on earth

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

He really is the millenial Chomsky

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

MeatwadIsGod posted:

He really is the millenial Chomsky

absolute braindead comparison

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

What if the staff were wreckers

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

evilpicard posted:

What if the staff were wreckers

Nathan was always the capitalist roader hth

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Bushiz posted:

It says a lot about the nature of power that the dude who had a moderately successful leftist magazine decided to destroy it rather than relinquishing control over it.

naw I don't think so, all it has to say is that rich kid socdem is a cosplay ideology that is useless to anyone but the capitalist (for which is it very useful)

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

lol JD from Yale and a doctorate in sociology from Harvard

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Bushiz posted:

It says a lot about the nature of power that the dude who had a moderately successful leftist magazine decided to destroy it rather than relinquishing control over it.

what does it say?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



started poking around current affairs 'cause i've never paid it any attention and the recent drama caught my attention and and lmao how could principled brain geniuses of this caliber managed to blow up such a cushy gig? a mystery for the ages

Is a utopian pacifistic society possible? The lives of manatees show that it is possible to live without violence or the state. Nathan J. Robinson posted:

In the manatee, we can see a model for how life can be conducted without brutality or cruelty. A social utopia is clearly possible, because a species with vastly less intelligence and ability already lives in one. If the manatee can get through a dangerous world without hurting a soul, and without being hurt itself, why can’t we? The manatee is a living reminder that we have no excuses for not being good, and they present a vision of a natural existence that is not built on the most brutal and competitive type of Darwinian struggle. In the manatee’s world, it is not kill or be killed. The point of life is to drift along slowly and live amiably alongside one another.

Oneiros has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Aug 20, 2021

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Oneiros posted:

started poking around current affairs 'cause i've never paid it any attention and the recent drama caught my attention and and lmao how could brain geniuses of this caliber managed to blow up such a cushy gig? a mystery for the ages

oh my loving god lmfao

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
hes right

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Oneiros posted:

started poking around current affairs 'cause i've never paid it any attention and the recent drama caught my attention and and lmao how could principled brain geniuses of this caliber managed to blow up such a cushy gig? a mystery for the ages

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Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

jordan peterson, but replace the lobsters with manatees

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