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Thanks for the advice on the AIO, I forgot one other question. I just picked up an MSI B550 Gaming Plus, is there any easy way of telling if I'm going to need to update the bios beforehand? I don't see a date of manufacture anywhere on the package but maybe I'm missing it. I don't want to get the whole thing assembled then discover I need to install an older CPU to get it to boot and update the bios.
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The Gunslinger posted:Thanks for the advice on the AIO, I forgot one other question. I just picked up an MSI B550 Gaming Plus, is there any easy way of telling if I'm going to need to update the bios beforehand? I don't see a date of manufacture anywhere on the package but maybe I'm missing it. I don't want to get the whole thing assembled then discover I need to install an older CPU to get it to boot and update the bios. I’d you’re worried, just do the bios flashback (it’s done without the CPU in). There is typically a sticker that says “zen 3 ready” or whatever poo poo if it’s good to go.
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Aug 19, 2021 21:52
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Yeah and MSI says they'll send you all the gear you need to reflash the bios if you for some reason do not have access to it yourself. But I think doing it yourself would only involve a pc to download the bios update and a usb stick anyway.
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Aug 19, 2021 22:25
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I ended up swapping to one of the wifi compat motherboards and placed the order today! Thanks so much. You all saved me like a hundred bucks.
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Aug 20, 2021 00:25
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah and MSI says they'll send you all the gear you need to reflash the bios if you for some reason do not have access to it yourself. But I think doing it yourself would only involve a pc to download the bios update and a usb stick anyway. If you don't have a flashback button you need to use an older, compatible CPU to update the BIOS. In that case they'll send you a CPU.
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Aug 20, 2021 00:32
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yeah the bios normally still needs a CPU, which is why you can only get in there after you post. the usb flashback feature gets around this.
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Aug 20, 2021 00:36
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Any B550 board sold in the last 6+ months should boot up with a 5600X just fine.
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Aug 20, 2021 10:15
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Helter Skelter posted:Any B550 board sold in the last 6+ months should boot up with a 5600X just fine. I can say with about 99.9% certainty that any B550 board from MSI, Gigabyte, or Asus will. Other brands I'm less confident about. There was someone here a couple months ago with a Biostar B550 board that didn't come with Zen 3 support.
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Are there any strictly 2 slot (i.e. Dan A4 compatible) graphics cards in the current generation with comparible performance to a Radeon VII? It looks like I'm limited to nVidia FE cards with absolutely nothing available from AMD. My VII has died 2 1/2 years into it's 3 year warranty and after a month's wait I'm being offered a refund that's considerably less than the current selling price for broken ones on eBay. I need to know if it's worth pressing the retailer for an equivalent card (I guess something like a 6700XT if there's one that fits), a better refund or to just send me the broken card back if they can even get it back from Sapphire.
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Yeep posted:Are there any strictly 2 slot (i.e. Dan A4 compatible) graphics cards in the current generation with comparible performance to a Radeon VII? It looks like I'm limited to nVidia FE cards with absolutely nothing available from AMD. The 6700 XT reference card is exactly two slots wide (40mm thick), and there are a ton of those on ebay for less than $800. The RTX 3060 is apparently 1% behind the Radeon VII according to TechPowerUp's rankings and 7% behind it according to TomsHardware's, for whatever those are worth. There are plenty of two-slot versions of that, and a 3060 would give you access to NVidia's RTX and DLSS, if nothing else. Lower TDP, too. In terms of pure rasterization performance, the 6700 XT is likely the better buy though if we're just going by the prices on ebay. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2021 12:27
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The 6700 XT reference card is exactly two slots wide (40mm thick), and there are a ton of those on ebay for less than $800. The 6800 reference was two slots as well and would be ideal but it looks like outside of the initial batch you can't get any of the reference cards in the UK. I think my best option is probably to convince Overclockers to hassle Sapphire about the RMA in the hope I either get a VII or a reference 6700 or 6800 back. If they send me something that doesn't fit I can always sell it on eBay and sit on a stock alert for something that does.
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Yeep posted:Are there any strictly 2 slot (i.e. Dan A4 compatible) graphics cards in the current generation with comparible performance to a Radeon VII? It looks like I'm limited to nVidia FE cards with absolutely nothing available from AMD. What’s the $ amount? If they aren’t giving you enough to purchase a card of equal performance or better (it sounds like they aren’t), I would not accept. I would ask them for proof of a equal card you could buy (that is possible to buy) at that value, and if not push harder.
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Can someone help me source an SSD for a Playstation 5? Requirements: Sony posted:Interface: PCIe Gen4 x4 M.2 NVMe SSD I was going to just throw a 1TB Western Digital Black drive on there, but the heatsink requirements are a bit uncertain for me, and also I'm not sure what kind of bandwidth the PS5 has for reading from the drive, so I didn't want to over-spec the SSD.
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Aug 20, 2021 18:40
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PRADA SLUT posted:Can someone help me source an SSD for a Playstation 5? I'd google "reddit ps5 sn750 heatsink" or something similar to see what people who have tried it are saying.
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Aug 20, 2021 18:50
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yeah the LTT video implied you needed PCI gen 4 with a throughput of 5000 uh...units/second speed. the thread fave the SN550 only does about 3000 iirc.
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Aug 20, 2021 18:57
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I don't think heat sink height matters at all either, plenty of people in the comments for that LTT video said they threw one in and just removed the plastic cover that encloses the M.2 slot
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PRADA SLUT posted:Can someone help me source an SSD for a Playstation 5? The drive you linked doesn't meet the PS5's speed requirements strictly speaking, but it will work without much noticeable downgrade in performance. Lots of testing has been done at this point, and the only hard-and-fast rule is that the drive must be Gen 4, which that one is. The PS5 wants 5000MB/s however, and that drive is just 3600MB/s. What this means in practice is that load times will be about 10 to 20% slower, which for the PS5 means one to two seconds. People have even tested those slower gen 4 drives in ratchet and clank, and the difference is barely noticeable. That said, there's no telling if future PS5 games will be even more demanding somehow and the slower drives will start performing noticeably worse. What I recommend instead of the SN750 is the Corsair MP600. $10 more than the drive you linked and about a gig per second faster. There will be no noticeable difference between that and the PS5's own SSD whatsoever, and the difference in price is made up for the fact that it comes with its own heatsink, so you don't have to buy an aftermarket one.
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This might be the right thread for this question? I just got hired at a place that does toymaking, prop fabrication, awards, that kind of thing. I'm doing digital work for them - 3D modeling, ZBrush, some rendering, some machining, some 3D printing. I've got a comfortable PC setup at home that I do all of this with already, but it's also tied into things like my entertainment room projector, smart home stuff, and I play games on it. Basically, I don't want to bring my home PC to work. My home PC that I do all of this stuff with presently is:
I'm in the US (California). Most of the heaviest computational work I do is with some dense ZBrush meshes (50+ million polys) and rendering. My new bosses told me to look for a good off-the-shelf option that could be bought that I could use for comparable work. I honestly don't know where to start. I suggested that I could build something out of picked parts, but they don't want that. They haven't laid out a budget for me yet, they wanted me to link some options to them. Are there any good deals that would get me something comparable that I can look at and show them? Harvey Baldman fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 21, 2021 |
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Y'know, I really dont mind the sound of my desktop, loud as it is. The cost of doing business, I figure. I have the volume pumped loud or using a headset anyway. But I'm having to RMA my board, so after just taking it out, I connected my main monitor & m&kb to my laptop dock and am using that as primary instead of secondary now. God is it nice to sit at my desk and not hear that plane lift off. Starting to hatch ideas of how I can station the tower out in the hall or something
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codo27 posted:Y'know, I really dont mind the sound of my desktop, loud as it is. The cost of doing business, I figure. I have the volume pumped loud or using a headset anyway. what's your rig like, in terms of airflow specifically? you can replace eg 120mm fans with noctuas which are famously quiet (and expensive) or go over to partial or full water, deal with pump gurgle a bit but should allow a bunch more fans running at lower temperatures. if there are components that are struggling, like an overheated GPU, that's when you get the cheap airport adjacent real estate experience.
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Alternatively, now's the perfect time to get a new case/cooler and rebuild your system. Grab something that's well ventilated (with a mesh front or something), some quiet PWM fans from Scythe, Arctic, or Noctua, and a Fuma 2 cooler, and you'll barely ever hear your PC.
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I already swapped out the stock case fans with Noctuas, I think really I could prob just stand to loosen the curve so they dont all spin up so fast when its maybe not needed. I got 2 120s on top, one on back, two on the radiator in the front. Plus the fans on my 2080.
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codo27 posted:I already swapped out the stock case fans with Noctuas, I think really I could prob just stand to loosen the curve so they dont all spin up so fast when its maybe not needed. I got 2 120s on top, one on back, two on the radiator in the front. Plus the fans on my 2080. three 120s should be enough for a 2080 i would expect, particularly noctuas unless you're overclocking it a lot or running something esoteric in the case. yeah i'd have a look at the curve for sure. e: wait, right? 3x 120 should be plenty if he's got a rad for the CPU. that system should be running relatively cool or very quiet. what's the GPU specifically?
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Its an all-EVGA build I did a couple of years ago. Was featured on Mods Rigs https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=40614 I've removed the glass front plate to encourage airflow. I do believe its actually 140mms on the rad though
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codo27 posted:Its an all-EVGA build I did a couple of years ago. Was featured on Mods Rigs https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=40614 sweet! sick rig. drat that...really should not be having significant thermal or acoustic issues to be honest? my expectation of that quantity and quality of fans would be a very quiet and cool experience. check the gpu's fancurve specifically, those things can really sound loving loud when they get going.
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I dont have any temp issues really, prob because the things are set up to blow so early in the curve. Definitely gonna have a look at it once I receive my cross ship replacement and make it not kick in until a much higher temp. I didn't realize at the time of building that I only would have 2 SMART headers. So I ended up adding a controller a while back because it was even worse before when a few of the case fans would just have to be set to a static value so of course hamfisted ol me set it to 100%
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codo27 posted:Its an all-EVGA build I did a couple of years ago. Was featured on Mods Rigs https://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?BuildID=40614 That case looks like it has horrible airflow. The front is basically fully closed off. It might not be too bad if there’s just a filter behind that lifted panel, but it’s probably still not great. Front mount rad is also really hurting you there. A.) rad blocks airflow from the front of the case (if there even is any). B.) if rad exhausts into the case, you’re just dumping All the hot CPU air back into the case and raising the overall case temp. C). If rad exhausts to front, air escape path is potentially bad. Additionally, if all those other extra fans aren’t set to a good exhaust/intake, they’re useless. Like, if everything is exhaust except the bottom fans the cooling is probably poo poo. For fan curves, you should have them set to ramp slowly. The slower they ramp, the less likely you are to notice them. As general advice, we’d need a whole lot more detail.
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Harvey Baldman posted:This might be the right thread for this question? This is the thread. Why do they want prebuilt? Is it because they want business class customer service they’re going to pay for? Is it just liability? If they want specific customer service stuff, then big manufacturer OEMs are where you’re stuck (dell, Hp, Lenovo, etc). If it’s just they want a warranty and stuff, then I’d probably look at stuff from ABS brand on Newegg. There’s a brand called Skytech that got decent reviews. You could also do something from like NZXT or other stuff, but most of it is pretty bad. If I were you, I’d ask for a rough budget. If they are unable to provide one, find any machine that has the max performance you can get for your specific application (highest ram/all SSD storage, 5800x+, best GPU that’ll give a functional advantage, etc) and shove those links at em. You’ll probably get a budget real fast if you start throwing $4000 curve balls.
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Harvey Baldman posted:This might be the right thread for this question? You don't want to be the guy responsible for a mission critical piece of hardware. Puget Systems specializes in, among other things, workstations for 3d rendering, with price tags to match. All of the big vendors (HP, dell, etc) offer workstation class hardware too. Go spec out some systems on their websites.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:You don't want to be the guy responsible for a mission critical piece of hardware. Puget Systems specializes in, among other things, workstations for 3d rendering, with price tags to match. All of the big vendors (HP, dell, etc) offer workstation class hardware too. Go spec out some systems on their websites. This is better advice that mine.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:That case looks like it has horrible airflow. see, even with all that - maybe if the rad is exhausting in or the PSU is but still, I wouldn't expect a "jet engine". there's nothing in there generating heat but the GPU and the goofy chipset VRMs or whatever, everything else should be venting away from the case. three good 120mm fans should be managing that pretty well unless their config is like, recirculating air or super clogged with dust or something. or they live in a super hot place I guess.
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CoolCab posted:see, even with all that - maybe if the rad is exhausting in or the PSU is but still, I wouldn't expect a "jet engine". there's nothing in there generating heat but the GPU and the goofy chipset VRMs or whatever, everything else should be venting away from the case. three good 120mm fans should be managing that pretty well unless their config is like, recirculating air or super clogged with dust or something. or they live in a super hot place I guess. Or they’re doing something crazy like all exhaust except the rad.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:What’s the $ amount? The offer is £460 on an original purchase price of £650. There's no way I'm taking that when broken Radeon VII are selling for £550 on eBay and working ones are £900-1k. My very vague understanding of UK law in this area is that the responsibility for repair or replacement lies with the manufacturer, but because they've taken more than 28 days the retailer is required to offer me a refund instead if I want, minus some amount for the fact I had use of the card for 2 1/2 years. I can't find any information on what the legislation is for products that have appreciated since purchase.
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Is there a guide someone can link with ideal air flow patterns?
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codo27 posted:Is there a guide someone can link with ideal air flow patterns? It depends on where the case is positioned, but generally a pair of intake fans on one end and an exhaust fan on the other will do as well as you're getting. The important thing is to make sure none of the fans are obstructed - typically this would be by the case having mostly solid panel in front of them, or insufficient clearance for a bottom mounted intake (don't do a bottom mounted intake, too much potential for issues).
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codo27 posted:Is there a guide someone can link with ideal air flow patterns? The best thing I can recommend based on your previous post is giving us good pictures of your build where we can see all the fans and the front+back+top of the case (not all in the same picture, different images is fine). From there we can help out find a good config. Each setup is different and it’s hard to recommend generic for the most part, especially with a rad involved.
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Yeep posted:The offer is £460 on an original purchase price of £650. There's no way I'm taking that when broken Radeon VII are selling for £550 on eBay and working ones are £900-1k. I can’t comment on UK law. Maybe Cab has ideas, but in the current market and based on what you posted I’d be putting pressure on the manufacturer to get a repair. The retailer is probably a dead end.
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i've never had to deal with it but it wouldn't astonish me at all to learn the retailer is on the hook for a full cash refund, entirely plausibly less depreciation. i would expect the retailer has a binary responsibility, they give you a working product or your money, they're not obligated to "make you whole" and replace something that has increased in value, at least not typically. maybe if it was insurance or something.
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i mean with that said complain actively, try to speak to a manager, say how you'll be adding this experience to trustpilot, etc. you might get a sympathetic ear, stranger things have happened. but my assumption would be that's not a legal obligation.
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Than based off that, manufacturer is who I’d pursue for repair. Cost of cards is too high right now. Sucks, but it is what it is.
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