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New Dan Olson: Bakshi and The Ring e: lmao at his meltdown around the middle of the video Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 20, 2021 |
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Aug 20, 2021 21:34
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Antigravitas posted:New Dan Olson: Bakshi and The Ring Balrog discourse is one of the great absurdities of classic nerd culture, and that was the perfect tone in which to capture it. (The only thing that might have made it better was to not show any shots of the insanely-cheap Bakshi Balrog until it was all done. Would have been a killer punchline.)
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Aug 20, 2021 22:07
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LanceHunter posted:Balrog discourse is one of the great absurdities of classic nerd culture, and that was the perfect tone in which to capture it. (The only thing that might have made it better was to not show any shots of the insanely-cheap Bakshi Balrog until it was all done. Would have been a killer punchline.) Yeah. It was not as easy to come across as it would be now, but the Balrog having wings in Jackson's flick was... oh, seldom have I seen the like of the outrage.
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Aug 20, 2021 22:17
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Double post but meanwhile, LGR is creating wonders: https://twitter.com/lazygamereviews/status/1428755978380615687
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Aug 20, 2021 22:21
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Antigravitas posted:New Dan Olson: Bakshi and The Ring Is there a reason he says Gandalf wrong? I'm just about halfway through and I can't remember if they said it wrong in the movie like they renamed Saruman.
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Aug 21, 2021 00:28
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Groovelord Neato posted:Is there a reason he says Gandalf wrong? I'm just about halfway through and I can't remember if they said it wrong in the movie like they renamed Saruman. I'm assuming it's a Canadian accent thing. Dan's accent come so rarely that it can be kind of jarring when it happens.
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Aug 21, 2021 00:57
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Grondoth posted:Who cares about what conservative christian groups have to say anymore?
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Aug 21, 2021 01:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvYcunuF3Eo
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Aug 21, 2021 04:15
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Mike Rugnetta has returned to video essays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lrwAhd27ng
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Aug 21, 2021 05:39
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This video's a year old but I just saw it and I felt a lot of emotions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETAcIbzOTYs
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Aug 21, 2021 06:23
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This was pretty good, and very very long. I don’t know if it’s possible to make this video without providing all of the Bo content for reference, but it does essentially turn into a 2.5 hour video where 1.5 hours is parroting the subject and saying I agree.
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Aug 21, 2021 07:25
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I dunno about this guy's endorsement of Kill All Normies, but otherwise he seems fine. Edit: Okay, the sponsorship mashup at the end was pretty good. Solitair fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Aug 21, 2021 |
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Aug 21, 2021 10:15
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LanceHunter posted:I'm assuming it's a Canadian accent thing. Dan's accent come so rarely that it can be kind of jarring when it happens. Oh yeah I know he's a canuck but straight up dropping the L and saying it like "Gand-eff" seems separate from the accent.
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Aug 21, 2021 11:57
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Garrand posted:Dan talks about Ralph Bakshi's animated adaptation of The Lord of the Rings https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/1428808691327766528?s=20
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Aug 21, 2021 13:35
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Solitair posted:I dunno about this guy's endorsement of Kill All Normies, but otherwise he seems fine. The biggest critique I can give of CJ (and really most leftist video essayists) is that they lack a lot of historical context when discussing the current bad things going on. Jeff Bezos is not some unique MVP of Capitalism. Heck, the song even mentions Gates and Buffet. Just go back to before CJ was born and there was another King of Capitalism, Bezos has not done something unique. Same goes for their critique of the polarization and meme-ification of political discourse. American history has always been those things, literally from the start of the nation it’s been rich white guys saying populist poo poo publicly to excite the crowd then going and doing whatever they want privately. I don’t think the internet has created a single unique thing, and treating the problems it’s magnified as new mysteries is probably ignoring the fact that we’ve been dealing with this already. Also CJ unironically praises Musk’s completely BS take on AI and Musk just announced that he wants to build an AI robot. Unfortunate timing there.
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Aug 21, 2021 15:31
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Grondoth posted:Who cares about what conservative christian groups have to say anymore?
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Aug 21, 2021 16:31
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Froghammer posted:The amount of money Mastercard et al make off of fundamentalist Christians loving dwarfs what they make off of OnlyFans. This is an easy decision for them. Yeah a lot of the most active and destructive rich people in the world are also insane conservative/religious freaks who have no real moral issue with just buying political power.
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Aug 21, 2021 16:35
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Oh come on, who still buys into this “sky fairy “ nonsense in this day and age?
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Aug 21, 2021 18:47
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my mom put on the bakshi lord of the rings movie for me when i was 9 years old and sick with a 102 fever and im pretty sure thats why i have many disorders now. cool movie though. i like bakshi for all his faults
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Aug 21, 2021 18:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXErLiSbxXQ new of a helluva boss. budget seems to have gone up a bunch.
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Aug 21, 2021 19:20
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Solitair posted:I dunno about this guy's endorsement of Kill All Normies, but otherwise he seems fine. Nagel is very bad but the core of Kill All Normies’ argument was novel and persuasive at the time. Nobody else was offering much explanation of where the violent nazi dork gangs were suddenly coming from.
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Aug 21, 2021 19:38
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Didn't it blame tumblrites?
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Aug 21, 2021 19:45
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Nagel is very bad but the core of Kill All Normies’ argument was novel and persuasive at the time. Nobody else was offering much explanation of where the violent nazi dork gangs were suddenly coming from. Groovelord Neato posted:Didn't it blame tumblrites? Kinda. She kinda blamed them and the McIntosh type social critics and the types of folks who wanted to cancel Lindsey Ellise over stupid poo poo and uber online kids etc. it had its “merits” at the time but then she went full strasserite and basically viewed most of the Nazis as way ward innocent angels “forced” into the life. She has some points at the time but her insanity invalidated a lot of them.
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Aug 21, 2021 19:53
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Nuns with Guns posted:Oh come on, who still buys into this “sky fairy “ nonsense in this day and age? A bunch and I suspect a lot of zoomers will buy into religion hard in their middle age though it will probably be way more socially accepting of folks.
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Aug 21, 2021 19:55
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The time when Kill All Normies seemed novel and persuasive was before it was published. The praise ran out pretty quickly once people could read it and find out how weirdly credulous it was towards 4chan posters' accounts of their own politics.
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Aug 21, 2021 19:57
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Kinda. She kinda blamed them and the McIntosh type social critics and the types of folks who wanted to cancel Lindsey Ellise over stupid poo poo and uber online kids etc. it had its “merits” at the time but then she went full strasserite and basically viewed most of the Nazis as way ward innocent angels “forced” into the life. She has some points at the time but her insanity invalidated a lot of them. I'm not defending those assholes but there's probably nothing stopping someone from even being an anarchist and being anti-whatever got you down. Like I've literally seen multiple anarchists on twitter being outright against that kind of poo poo. Left-extremist isn't what's got on your nerves only left assholeism. edit: made a false presumption Rockit fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 21, 2021 |
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Aug 21, 2021 20:04
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Dapper_Swindler posted:A bunch I know. I was riffing on someone being incredulous that conservative christians weren’t still an influential voting ( cartoonishly large money bag donaton) bloc.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:10
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Where all these nazis come from is already perfectly explained by material conditions of America and to a lesser extent Europe. The cultural bullshit offered by Kill All Normies is only really interesting if you've already decided that historical materialism cannot be the answer.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:10
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Nuns with Guns posted:I know. I was riffing on someone being incredulous that conservative christians weren’t still an influential voting ( cartoonishly large money bag donaton) bloc. I will say I think that religion and faith is far less in control of the conservative voting bloc than in the past. The Mormon church is having a crisis at the moment because their prophet finally said "You should get vaccinated," so a bunch of Mormons are deciding they shouldn't listen to their leaders anymore. It seems like there are cultural movements that are becoming stronger than traditionally powerful religious institutions.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:16
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Groovelord Neato posted:Didn't it blame tumblrites? Her argument is that the energy of online “left” politics in the Obama era was attenuated away into nothing or shunted off into nonproductive avenues because nobody posting at that time knew anything about socialism or marx, or they all bought the end-of-history line that material problems had been solved and utopia was a matter of bullying the creationists off youtube. That still seems more or less true to me. The wholly unconvincing part of the book is where she takes at face value tumblr posts about adult privilege and how identifying as a dragon is an important part of the lgbtq movement that were obvious parodies made by 4chan posters. Doubly so the part where she wonders if 4chan could have been prevented from going to the right if convincing class analysis had been available to them, which more recent history proves probably could never have happened. It’s worth a read but probably pretty stale by now and Nagel herself has become a huge embarrassment and is basically just a class reductionist now, like the red-brown equivalent of that old feminist who decided gamergate was getting a bad rep.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:24
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Terrible Opinions posted:Where all these nazis come from is already perfectly explained by material conditions of America and to a lesser extent Europe. The cultural bullshit offered by Kill All Normies is only really interesting if you've already decided that historical materialism cannot be the answer. Yeah, I don't see any reason not to presume they're coming from the exact same place as the original Nazis. Regressive people angry that their previously privileged quality of life if going down and latching onto traditional scapegoats. I'd been expecting an upsurge since the great recession.
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Aug 21, 2021 20:26
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah a lot of the most active and destructive rich people in the world are also insane conservative/religious freaks who have no real moral issue with just buying political power. Sudden Loud Noise posted:I will say I think that religion and faith is far less in control of the conservative voting bloc than in the past. The Mormon church is having a crisis at the moment because their prophet finally said "You should get vaccinated," so a bunch of Mormons are deciding they shouldn't listen to their leaders anymore. It seems like there are cultural movements that are becoming stronger than traditionally powerful religious institutions.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:06
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I think there's a compelling explanation of how 4chan gradually became a pressure cooker for turning out nazi incels, but the tumblr copypasta stuff is a footnote at best. These people turned themselves into Nazis, they weren't reacting in any meaningful way against other subcultures except by not participating in them, or being actively removed once it became clear that they were Nazis.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:08
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Leftie 4chan was possible, if the leftists would have gotten involved in /news/ and /pol/ when it got started and would have pushed that the reason the channers felt alienated from society was big corporations instead of the Jews. But considering the right was always more online and Steve Bannon in particular having ideas on how to radicalize the online weirdos, it'd have been a uphill battle regardless.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:19
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Archer666 posted:Leftie 4chan was possible, if the leftists would have gotten involved in /news/ and /pol/ when it got started and would have pushed that the reason the channers felt alienated from society was big corporations instead of the Jews. But considering the right was always more online and Steve Bannon in particular having ideas on how to radicalize the online weirdos, it'd have been a uphill battle regardless.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:33
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Rockit posted:No offense but i think you're projecting your own change in worldview due to people being stupid or upsetting you rather than anything objective. ? I said nagel was like that. Her entire thing was “wacky social Justice warriors chased off future lefties and turned them into Nazis and the nazis are innocent babes in the woods” I have my various issues with various people on the left/liberal but I wouldn’t toss out my entire progressive politics and go nazi because some media opinions. I think her only valid point was back then is it was hard to find a branch of progressive politics you could latch onto because loud weirdos were loud. Most of narrative died after 2016 or Charlottesville. Anyway I was just saying what SHE was blaming. I don’t really agree with it anymore because it’s obviously bullshit mostly. josh04 posted:I think there's a compelling explanation of how 4chan gradually became a pressure cooker for turning out nazi incels, but the tumblr copypasta stuff is a footnote at best. These people turned themselves into Nazis, they weren't reacting in any meaningful way against other subcultures except by not participating in them, or being actively removed once it became clear that they were Nazis. This. A lot of these dudes made themselves Nazis. Tumblr weirdness is a dumb excuse for it that she bought into.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:34
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Dapper_Swindler posted:? I said nagel was like that. Her entire thing was “wacky social Justice warriors chased off future lefties and turned them into Nazis and the nazis are innocent babes in the woods” I have my various issues with various people on the left/liberal but I wouldn’t toss out my entire progressive politics and go nazi because some media opinions. I think her only valid point was back then is it was hard to find a branch of progressive politics you could latch onto because loud weirdos were loud. Most of narrative died after 2016 or Charlottesville. Anyway I was just saying what SHE was blaming. I don’t really agree with it anymore because it’s obviously bullshit mostly. I see. Sorry for misunderstanding.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:49
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josh04 posted:The time when Kill All Normies seemed novel and persuasive was before it was published. The praise ran out pretty quickly once people could read it and find out how weirdly credulous it was towards 4chan posters' accounts of their own politics. I essentially agree with this, I wanna add that I remember the book being written in a style of someone who thought they were being way more insightful than they actually are, most other anthropology or sociology stuff I’ve read doesn’t try to add a bunch of subjective bullshit like Nagel does.
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Aug 21, 2021 21:58
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so much of what people get mad at 'tumblr' for was outright fabrication yeah. not that there werent idiots on there but there were also a lot of trolls and/or 13 year olds. theres something to be said that a lot of online 'leftist' rhetoric turns people away (as a random example ive seen multiple pretty normal dudes attempt suicide because theyre softly left online guys who start going bald at 25 and their entire online circle is filled with dunking on conservative guys going bald at 25 because THIS IS WHAT MEN ARE LIKE and UGLY INSIDE UGLY WITHOUT or whatever, its pretty disgusting) but realistically thats just people being poo poo, its not really a 'left' or 'right' thing, people just like mockery and hitting people where it hurts, especially when they feel frustrated or powerless. for some reason people focus on guys who got really into race realism because someone on tumblr said mario should be black but not the inverse of jewish dudes who'd naturally fall into alt-right poo poo if they didnt hate jews so much. like i think on the whole that stuff balances out, so you really cant explain the uptick with bad tumblr posts.
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Aug 21, 2021 23:33
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I think Sarah Z did a video that touched on it but it was really obvious if you browsed tumblr at all that every off-tumblr space dedicated to mocking it quickly ran out of any real posts and became about falling for every obvious troll and fake blog so they had a reason to be mad. Early tumblr was the core of young fandom space and it had all the imported genres of drama livejournal and deviantart had before it, but the sjw thing was just the alt right outrage meme of the time.
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Aug 22, 2021 00:13
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