gradenko_2000 posted:

Biowarfare posted:

all you'd have to do is convince all the big corporates that their short term gains will be much lower than their long term losses from not stopping this, so that they would make much more money in the long term by stopping this, no?

Biowarfare posted:

all you'd have to do is convince all the big corporates that their short term gains will be much lower than their long term losses from not stopping this, so that they would make much more money in the long term by stopping this, no?

Salt Fish posted:

I've been advocating for my blue-maga family to take basic precautions and it's not going well. Today my dad sent me a Dr. John Campbell video which came out yesterday basically advocating that vaccinated people go out and get deliberately infected and anyway I'm going to go have a panic attack in the shower for a while.

Click if you want to believe in herd immunity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DxL8KhvgA&t=682s

Biowarfare posted:

all you'd have to do is convince all the big corporates that their short term gains will be much lower than their long term losses from not stopping this, so that they would make much more money in the long term by stopping this, no?

Salt Fish posted:

I've been advocating for my blue-maga family to take basic precautions and it's not going well. Today my dad sent me a Dr. John Campbell video which came out yesterday basically advocating that vaccinated people go out and get deliberately infected and anyway I'm going to go have a panic attack in the shower for a while.

Click if you want to believe in herd immunity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20DxL8KhvgA&t=682s

Steve Yun posted:

a miserable pile of sequences

McNugget Buddy posted:

https://twitter.com/ScienceMagazine/status/1417485718511890446

Author of the study:

https://twitter.com/NirDrayman/status/1417486490356101137

Biowarfare posted:

what i dont understand is why people are so desperate to jam their children in viral incubators ??? is there something im missing? just some desperate need to pretend that it's all over? like even well educated people are acting like this and it's weird

crepeface posted:

trying to recall how perth handled the delta outbreak in late june by going through some old chat/posts. there was an overnight case on saturday and on sunday morning (27/06/2021) our premier announced restrictions to kick in at noon. keep in mind that our default level is no masks or anything. you just have to check in at venues.

https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1408984283792900098?s=20

quote:

These restrictions include:
- Mandatory mask wearing indoors, on public transport, and outdoors where physical distancing is not possible, primary school aged children and those who are exempt are not required to wear masks;
- - Public events that cannot be restricted to 150 people will be cancelled or played without spectators today – including the Chicken and Beer Festival and AFL West Coast Eagles vs Western Bulldogs match at Optus Stadium. The match will proceed, but without spectators.
- 30-person limit in all homes for private gatherings;
- - Hospitality, entertainment venues (including casino and nightclubs), retail, beauty/hairdressers, recreation centres (including gyms, pilates, yoga, dance and swimming pools) and places of worship can remain open, but must comply with the 2 square metre rule, with a maximum of 150 patrons.
- Community sport is permitted.
- - Wedding and funerals can also proceed but will be limited to a maximum of 150 attendees.
- Hospitals will have a maximum of four personal visitors permitted per patient per day – masks will be mandatory for staff and visitors.
- - Anyone who enters a regional area from the Perth-Peel region is required to wear a mask as per requirements in Perth-Peel, and travel should be minimised. Travel to remote Aboriginal Communities will be restricted.

restaurants were still open and you could de-mask to eat. 2 new cases were detected the next day (monday), who got it from the initial case at a gym through fleeting contact. iirc initial case was a physiotherapist that worked there.




4-day full lockdown got announced starting monday midnight.



-tuesday, +1 from local transmission.
--wednesday: +1 (also from the gym)
-thursday: +1 (was a partner of an earlier case so the 4-day lockdown ended as planned friday midnight):
-
the next 6 days had interim restrictions:


sunday 4th of july: +1 (already in quarrantine, so plans remained unchanged)
the next 6 days had light restrictions until 12th of july. masks only needed indoors. restaurants allowed to reopen, standing service allowed at bars:


12th of july we went back to maskless life. our premier also announced a small business grant:


also did a little back patting:

quote:

Just under three weeks ago, Perth and Peel entered a short, sharp lockdown to stop the spread of COVID-19 in our community, after the Delta variant came across from New South Wales.

Our circuit-breaker lockdown did exactly as we intended – new cases and their contacts remained isolated, and our health and contact tracing teams were able to get on top of the virus before it spread further.

Today, I can confirm that the cluster has officially come to an end, with the final cases cleared of COVID-19.

This is fantastic news and is a credit to every Western Australian who did the right thing and played their role in our four-day lockdown.

As of Monday, Western Australians returned to pre-lockdown life, with no transitional restrictions in place.

I understand that lockdowns are tough. But, as we've seen, they are a vital tool to crush the spread of this highly infectious virus, and keep our State safe.

i think luck was by far the biggest factor in our success. but also, consistent messaging about "short, sharp lockdowns" and seeing how other places went with half-arsing it has made the premier beloved for keeping us in at normal standard of living, able to suck and gently caress to our heart's content most of the time.

this means people are pretty diligent about following directives like checking-in, getting tested, quarrantining and masking.

i'm guessing that initial delta case in NZ infected a lot more than a handful of people based on the massive +10 jump the next day. have those cases been traced yet?

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

Today


Yesterday


Since Jul 26
https://imgur.com/a/j5Ag7mG

covidactnow.org

Maine, Washington, Alabama biggest changes I see

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

Fatten the curve

Google Butt posted:

wait is something going on? huh?

Paranoid Peanut posted:

what this pandemic has taught us is that the true scourge of our society is children

Paranoid Peanut posted:

what this pandemic has taught us is that the true scourge of our society is children

quote:

Covid is already endemic. Not because of the bungled response, but because many other nations hosed up far, far worse than this country did. Your other alternative isn't we wear masks forever. The other alternative is to close off all foreign travel forever and pretend we are Edo-era Japan, or to allow foreign travel and wear masks forever.

This is likewise why telling people to stay at home, or even jailing them, is largely fanfiction to try and combat Covid at this point. Unless you're willing to return to complete isolation, periodic Covid outbreaks are now inevitable. Everyone will get Covid in their lifetime. It is already a flu-level disease. Covid-zero is already fanfiction. People are just in denial of this, largely because they don't want to admit it's the developed countries that hosed it up for the whole world.

The thing is, vaccinations have largely rendered flu into a nuisance, and every data point on mass vaccination points to the same outcome for Covid. That is why the government is actually right to focus their efforts on vaccination; and to keep everyone locked down before full vaccination to minimize casualties. If they complete vaccinations by 2022, everyone's masks can come off and they win the elections. More importantly, if they do anything else it simply won't work. Even with perfect contact tracing, even with all the resources, all you need is one lapse like in New Zealand and everyone is back to masks and lockdowns again.

Steve Yun posted:

https://twitter.com/supermansings/status/1429316816220954625?s=21

gradenko_2000 posted:

High density bullshit.

Stereotype posted:

thanks CDC

gradenko_2000 posted:

fosborb posted:

lmao

https://twitter.com/Ditchwalk/status/1429671071775612928

for context, every year the incoming class at U of I waves from the stadium at the sick kids in the hospital overlooking it

for some reason that didn't happen last year, but this year......

they will of course be holding a special event for the 2024 class so they can make up for lost experiences

gradenko_2000 posted:

quote:

"People who are vaccinated can still get infected, and can still spread the disease." is a meaningless statement because that's also the same with the flu.

Covid is already at flu level. You are just in denial of it.

Flu, prior to Covid, infected 9-45 million people in the US annually. Of these, 140,000-800,000 got seriously ill, and between 12K to 80K die.

Every loving year.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Your statement is again meaningless fear-mongering. Covid is already another flu.

You can in fact no longer "contain" Covid unless you ban all foreign travel. Its everywhere.

The new variants aren't proving to be immune to booster shots. Indeed, while you're off demanding more resources for contact tracing and all that other stuff, the fact of the matter is all that becomes unnecessary the moment everyone is vaccinated!

So why still pour resources on a band-aid solution (contact tracing, etc), when there is a real solution? (vaccination) Indeed, you are undermining your own argument. If its really that time-sensitive, then why not pour all resources on vaccination?

Moreover, you do realize that all of those contact tracing apps used in other countries would be allowed, yes? They seriously violate personal privacy. So calling to strengthen these measures - and handing all that data over to the government who might not need it later anyway - in fact just erodes the public's right to privacy when everyone is claiming we have a dictator-wannabe who wants to impose a police state!

Vaccines will turn Covid into another flu.

Yes, a lot of folks are gonna keep dying annually to Covid at this point, but it will be at flu-like numbers. The thing is most people don't actually realize how deadly the flu still is.

Cup Runneth Over posted:

lol literally just mandatory two-week quarantine for all international travel regardless of final destination

neutral milf hotel posted:

I'm reminded of that scene from Contagion where they turn the football field into a morgue

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

The institute that did the modelling for Australia's eventual open er uppening, and all the states agreed to, has refuted the prime minister's (and his minion's) claims that it can still happen with uncontrolled spread.

https://twitter.com/TheDohertyInst/status/1429753057332502532?s=19

We currently still have less than 1,000 deaths total, so 1,400+ more would be hard to swallow.

Lawlicaust posted:

We watched Contagion last week. I haven’t seen it in years but remember previously thinking how ridiculous and unrealistic parts were. I used to think the Chud in the state health department was a ridiculous caricature and that surely someone in the CDC wouldn’t interview that many people not wearing a mask.

Covid has taught me that the chud in the health department was too kind a portrayal of Rs and of course the CDC wouldn’t wear a mask because they are hilariously incompetent.

The only things unrealistic about Contagion was that the government mounted a real response and did mandatory vaccination. Our government would never be that competent. Everything else in that movie is 100% on point for how the US really reacted to Covid right down to people decrying the science while secretly knowing they have better care and protection than anyone else.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Rochelle Walensky watched Contagion and thought that the vaccine worked like it did in the movie.

Insanite posted:

latest death panel podcast feels simpatico with this thread:

https://twitter.com/DeathPanel_/status/1428462333655924741?s=20

lots of angry oster bashing, among other things

FizFashizzle posted:

Lmao

https://twitter.com/peterschorschfl/status/1429763000920154121?s=21

Lawlicaust posted:

We watched Contagion last week. I haven’t seen it in years but remember previously thinking how ridiculous and unrealistic parts were. I used to think the Chud in the state health department was a ridiculous caricature and that surely someone in the CDC wouldn’t interview that many people not wearing a mask.

Covid has taught me that the chud in the health department was too kind a portrayal of Rs and of course the CDC wouldn’t wear a mask because they are hilariously incompetent.

The only things unrealistic about Contagion was that the government mounted a real response and did mandatory vaccination. Our government would never be that competent. Everything else in that movie is 100% on point for how the US really reacted to Covid right down to people decrying the science while secretly knowing they have better care and protection than anyone else.

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

There's a guy in my work group who

1. Insisted on relying on his immune system to defend against covid

2. Got covid pt Alpha

3. Insisted that his now natural immunity was sufficient to fend off covid and would not be vaccinating

4. Caught covid pt Delta and was a little sick but otherwise ok

5. Is now in the hospital with breathing difficulties.

lol