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rip, a fun concert I was looking forward to this week has been canceled because Calgary is a loving wasteland of covid. Glad we opened 'er up and removed all those restrictions to help local businesses.
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Aug 23, 2021 19:39
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Pleads posted:rip, a fun concert I was looking forward to this week has been canceled because Calgary is a loving wasteland of covid. Glad we opened 'er up and removed all those restrictions to help local businesses. I bought tickets for Godspeed in march 2022 and I'm doubting that'll happen.
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Aug 23, 2021 19:45
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Baronjutter posted:https://readpassage.com/politician-landlords/ lmao Wynne and Horwath both
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Aug 23, 2021 20:00
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Baronjutter posted:https://readpassage.com/politician-landlords/ lol andrea horwath is on there, so is rachel notley
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Aug 23, 2021 20:00
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is it normal to have one quarter of your mps be landlords that seems insane to me
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Aug 23, 2021 20:03
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RBC posted:is it normal to have one quarter of your mps be landlords Well MPs are certainly older and wealthier than the median (though possibly not much more so than the typical voting-eligible population; it's not as bad as in the US), but that still seems like it's a higher proportion than you'd expect. I briefly looked up estimates of the number of multiple homeowners in Ontario and it's probably not more than 10% or so? Granted, it's not easy to count.
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Aug 23, 2021 20:17
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Pleads posted:rip, a fun concert I was looking forward to this week has been canceled because Calgary is a loving wasteland of covid. Glad we opened 'er up and removed all those restrictions to help local businesses. Yep I’m waiting to hear that a concert I got a ticket for in November is cancelled
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Aug 23, 2021 20:27
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Well Horgan has crawled out of his hole to address BC.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:04
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Pleads posted:rip, a fun concert I was looking forward to this week has been canceled because Calgary is a loving wasteland of covid. Glad we opened 'er up and removed all those restrictions to help local businesses. I wouldn't bank on any sort of live entertainment being viable moving forward. We're trying out things like concerts, shows, pro sports, etc. for now, but I have the feeling that it's less about getting back to normal and more about these industries behaving like cornered animals and sucking up one last little bit of revenue before they go bankrupt and fold during the next shutdown.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:14
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St. Dogbert posted:the next shutdown. I wish I shared your optimism but I don't think there's going to be another shutdown.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:19
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BC is requiring proof of vaccination to access restaurants, gyms, theatre, conferences, etc. https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0053-001659 Nothing on schools yet. Edit: starting Sept. 13 one dose required, two doses by Oct. 24. Kids under 12 exempt, I can't find anything on any other potential exceptions. Trapick fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Aug 23, 2021 |
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Aug 23, 2021 21:21
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Another Bill posted:I wish I shared your optimism but I don't think there's going to be another shutdown. Eh. People were saying that after the first shutdown. In Ontario, every industry advocacy group is going to push for vaccine passports and when those get implemented way too late and variant cases keep climbing the province will probably cave eventually. The only possible silver lining from any of this is the PCPO will have pissed off literally every voting bloc in the province so thoroughly by the end of this that they'll probably be exiled to the wilderness for another 15 years
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Aug 23, 2021 21:25
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infernal machines posted:Eh. People were saying that after the first shutdown. I really really hope it happens but with so many people fully vaccinated now, there's not as much urgency. Unless you have unvaccinated people in your home/family. Like me. 
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Aug 23, 2021 21:27
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Pleads posted:rip, a fun concert I was looking forward to this week has been canceled because Calgary is a loving wasteland of covid. Glad we opened 'er up and removed all those restrictions to help local businesses. I have a wedding to go to this weekend in calgary, my wife's the maid of honour. Gotta update my will I guess.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:30
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Another Bill posted:I really really hope it happens but with so many people fully vaccinated now, there's not as much urgency. Unless you have unvaccinated people in your home/family. Like me. I'm very lucky to not be in that situation. My friends are all vaccinated, my mother got her second shot just about two weeks ago. The biggest risk is my friend's three year old who is in a public daycare that's had at least two outbreaks so far.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:31
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Trapick posted:BC is requiring proof of vaccination to access restaurants, gyms, theatre, conferences, etc. I work with a lot of "vaccine hesitant" people. It's going to be amusing to watch them squirm.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:32
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Another Bill posted:I really really hope it happens but with so many people fully vaccinated now, there's not as much urgency. Unless you have unvaccinated people in your home/family. Like me. ICUs hitting capacity is going to drive urgency regardless of vaccination status, and so far it's looking like the unvaccinated and breakthrough cases are plenty capable of driving ICU admissions. We hit the "surgeries start to be affected" threshold today in Ontario. Definitely there's no way it happens without a passport first (which is feeling pretty imminent at this point).
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Aug 23, 2021 21:33
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The vaccine passports are almost certainly going to be too little too late. With cases climbing already and schools not yet reopened there's every indication it will get a lot worse in late September, with in-person learning driving spread among unvaccinated children, leading to way more breakthrough infections in the community. Probably no way to prevent this...
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Aug 23, 2021 21:40
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Perfect time for Horgan to shrug, say "poo poo happens" and then take another vacation.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:43
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https://twitter.com/BCTodayOfficial/status/1429904545086263313?s=20 People gonna be reallllllll pissed.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:58
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How can there not be medical exemptions? Thats insane
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Aug 23, 2021 22:00
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RBC posted:How can there not be medical exemptions? Thats insane Public health, woot woot. Edit: More seriously, it's intended as a short-term measure to reduce spread, it's only non-essential events/locations. Also...is there any good data on how many people claim to have medical exemptions? I believe there's only a couple legit contraindications, especially given we have multiple vaccines. Trapick fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 23, 2021 |
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Aug 23, 2021 22:03
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Careful. That could represent potentially dozens of people who won’t be able to go do something risky with their health
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Aug 23, 2021 22:10
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Baronjutter posted:https://readpassage.com/politician-landlords/ 
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Aug 23, 2021 22:14
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Trapick posted:"If there are those rare people who have a medical reason why they can't be immunized ... these are discretionary events that we're talking about so they will not be able to attend those events through this period of time of high risk," Dr. Henry said. Allergies to the ingredients in the vaccine or people with severe autoimmune dissorders. Yes it is a very small group, which I think makes this even more unreasonable. If someone has legitimate medical reasons not to get vaccinated they shouldn't be discriminated against. Considering the list of activities: indoor ticketed sporting events indoor concerts indoor theatre/dance/symphony events restaurants (indoor and patio dining) night clubs casinos movie theatres fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport) businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities organized indoor events (eg. weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops) discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities student housing on college and university campuses Seems like a lovely thing to do.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:19
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I am very concerned about immunocompromised people’s ability to go risk their health and take up hospital beds
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Aug 23, 2021 22:24
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As much as I want to say “that’s a good thing”, I just can’t. Like… where do you draw the line on personal freedoms? We all pretty much agree that those who CAN get vaccinated SHOULD, and otherwise should be barred from these locations. And while those who cannot get vaccinated due to cancer or other legitimate health concerns should be keeping safe anyway, can we really ban them for being affected by something that is not a personal choice? I don’t know if it matters, since vaccinated people can still be infected and spread Covid, but I’m of the mind that people who cannot get vaccinated should have the freedom to make their own choices. Those who can get vaccinated but choose not to should get hosed.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:31
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RBC posted:Allergies to the ingredients in the vaccine or people with severe autoimmune dissorders. Yes it is a very small group, which I think makes this even more unreasonable. If someone has legitimate medical reasons not to get vaccinated they shouldn't be discriminated against. Medical and religious exemptions will become "medical and religious" exemptions pretty quickly and the requirements won't mean anything.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:32
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https://twitter.com/GlobalBC/status/1428897932636565508?s=20 Real scab energy. Wonder if they'd ever do the same for a soup kitchen.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:37
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Oxyclean posted:https://twitter.com/GlobalBC/status/1428897932636565508?s=20 This seems like it'll solve itself real soon
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Aug 23, 2021 22:43
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RBC posted:Allergies to the ingredients in the vaccine or people with severe autoimmune dissorders. Yes it is a very small group, which I think makes this even more unreasonable. If someone has legitimate medical reasons not to get vaccinated they shouldn't be discriminated against. And it's time-limited (to January I think?) and only non-essential activities.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:44
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RBC posted:If someone has legitimate medical reasons not to get vaccinated Honest question; like what?
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Aug 23, 2021 22:48
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A polyethylene glycol allergy is the big one iirc with regards to allergies since both Pfizer and Moderna contain it. AZ doesn't but that's not really being administered anymore and neither does J&J but the latest from Johnson and Johnson on when they might ship some to Canada was "lmao who knows". Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Aug 23, 2021 |
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Aug 23, 2021 22:49
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Trapick posted:For autoimmune disorders, isn't the recommendation to get an additional (third) dose? It's not a live virus, so it's more of an efficacy concern than safety, right? As for allergies, there are currently 4 different ones approved in Canada, all with different non-medicinal ingredients. It's gotta be a pretty low number of people with an anaphylactic reaction to multiple ingredients to the point that they can't get *any* vaccine. I suspect if we allowed medical exemptions we'd have 95% of people claiming medical exemptions would be bullshit. I thought the third dose was generally limited to immunosuppressed people, not autoimmune disorders (that's in Ontario, maybe BC is different?) Honestly it feels like at some point if you're a vanishingly small minority, you just have to accept that you're not going to be able to do some things that other people can do. I'm super immunosuppresssed and even though I'd technically be allowed to go out to do things, I can recognize that circumstances just mean I can't responsibly do those things. It's not particularly fair or anything, but what is?
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Aug 23, 2021 22:57
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Trapick posted:https://twitter.com/BCTodayOfficial/status/1429904545086263313?s=20 Good, I hope their covid-shredded vascular system explodes.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:10
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RBC posted:How can there not be medical exemptions? Thats insane Seriously. I'm all for cracking down so anti-vaxxers can't just secure themselves "medical" exemptions but drat.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:21
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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RBC posted:Allergies to the ingredients in the vaccine or people with severe autoimmune dissorders. Yes it is a very small group, which I think makes this even more unreasonable. If someone has legitimate medical reasons not to get vaccinated they shouldn't be discriminated against. I'm sure the people in that position understand, and furthermore would prefer to be "locked out" of sporting events or the casino for a short while rather than risk infection from the 20% of the people in the facility who won't be vaccinated if there are no controls.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:22
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Nah, keeping antivax/masks from being able to continue spread is more important sorry
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Aug 23, 2021 23:23
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Can someone explain exactly what a religious objection to an mRNA vaccine is exactly? There's nothing even close to living or formerly living in Pfizer/Moderna, as far as I understand. Which holy book has anything to say about mRNA? The only even remotely plausible answer I've seen is that the vaccines might have been developed with cell lines derived from aborted fetuses, in which case well good loving luck objecting to everything in modern society that was derived from questionable ethics.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:34
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Another Bill posted:I wish I shared your optimism but I don't think there's going to be another shutdown. How could there not be another shutdown? Even if mandatory vaccination was implemented, the effects wane so quickly and the virus is so contagious that there’s nothing we can do to keep the health care system from collapsing other than lock everything down again. Given the information that’s come out about Delta and the potential for it to mutate into something far worse, I would wager that we’re going to be spending much more time locked down than not in the future.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:37
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