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FlamingLiberal posted:It looks like he's wearing an all-black suit briefly about halfway through the trailer? I don't think it's the same one as the red and black one that shows up later. Yeah, looks like the Raimi one too with the raised lines. I mean I was happy to see BW since I hadn’t been to a theatre in over a year, and I’m excited for Eternals since I’m a big Kirby nut, but THIS is the kind of poo poo I’m all in for
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I'm torn because this looks insane and I'm excited to see how all that insanity comes together, but at the same time, I kinda wish they had gone in a less insane direction with everything. Something a little smaller scale that continued to explore the fallout of Peter's identity being known, and exploring more stuff that had been set up previously and continuing to build off of all of that in a much different way. Like, I have absolutely no idea where they can go from here, except for continuing to merge more Sony stuff into the MCU like Venom and Morbius which I don't really want at all. My excitement beats out my concerns for now though. Let's get dumb with it and enjoy the ride. Jamesman fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Aug 24, 2021 |
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Aug 24, 2021 05:42
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But seriously guys is this an alternate universe version of Strange or something? Who in hair&makeup took a look at that semen helmet he's wearing and thought "This is fine," send me ur location I just wanna talk
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Aug 24, 2021 06:06
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By the way, did anyone else notice this?
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Aug 24, 2021 06:10
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They're really reusing a lot of Dr. Strange's existing MCU iconography between the city folding in on itself and Strange pushing out Peter's soul, huh?
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Aug 24, 2021 06:53
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Arist posted:They're really reusing a lot of Dr. Strange's existing MCU iconography between the city folding in on itself and Strange pushing out Peter's soul, huh? I'm not sure we've seen Strange do the soul push thing before, so that might just be to help indicate he's closing or has closed the gap between him and where the Ancient One was, power level wise
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Aug 24, 2021 06:57
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Strange is basically still a neophyte. Like his movie ends just a bit before Infinity War and then he gets snapped and this seems like it picks right back up after Far From Home which was right after End Game. So he could just be relying on his old tricks because that's what he knows. But he's also got a mastery of it here he didn't have in his movie, the Ancient One did. So he's leveled up. But like its weird that the Sanctum is all frozen over and Wong is just leaving. And maybe that ties into Shang Chi? And maybe the Sanctum is a mess because it was abandoned for five years? And maybe Strange is being stupid because he's a cocky rear end and feels like he owes the kid and just assumes he can control the magic after his entire career is outsmarting Dormamu and Thanos in short order? But I definitely had the "Mephisto playing tricks" thought.
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Aug 24, 2021 07:03
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Do we know what the plans are for Holland Spidey after this? I remember his deal sounding like it was a trilogy and while I can see him coming back for Avengers movies and the like, it's kind of hard to imagine solo flicks escalating any further than what's going on in this movie. I guess what I'm asking is; are we looking at live action Miles in the next 3-6 years? Will Donald Glover come back to play Aaron Davis???
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Aug 24, 2021 07:16
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OnimaruXLR posted:Do we know what the plans are for Holland Spidey after this? I remember his deal sounding like it was a trilogy and while I can see him coming back for Avengers movies and the like, it's kind of hard to imagine solo flicks escalating any further than what's going on in this movie.
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Aug 24, 2021 07:25
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It's also a long shot, but, with all this multiverse stuff and Maguire and Garfield returning I could see some executive at Sony thinking "we can do Spider-Man 4 and The Amazing Spider-Man 3 while also continuing the Holland films". Spider-Man is the biggest thing they got, and they've tried to milk it with villain films, but having an excuse to make as many Spider-Man films as possible has probably crossed someone's mind. Though, I would be soooo down for a Raimi directed Spider-Man 4.
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Aug 24, 2021 07:41
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OnimaruXLR posted:Do we know what the plans are for Holland Spidey after this? I remember his deal sounding like it was a trilogy and while I can see him coming back for Avengers movies and the like, it's kind of hard to imagine solo flicks escalating any further than what's going on in this movie. No idea what the actual MCU plans are, but Holland has indicated that he has no problem playing Spidey under he's middle aged and they fire him. I've actually gotten really used to Peter and Miles just both existing in the same universe in the comics post-Secret Wars and there are honestly so many different Spider-Men and so many story directions that they never really feel like they're stepping on each toes. But it did take decades of Spider-Man history to reach that status quo so it might be need a little more time in the MCU. They're really leaning hard into the multiverse this phase which would be the perfect was to introduce Miles, but Spider-Verse really threw down the gauntlet in that arena and I'm sure they don't want to just ape that.
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Aug 24, 2021 07:49
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so between Maguire and Garfield, which one takes the name Ben Reilly and which one becomes Kaine
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I just think having Miles around additionally would be a good way to explore the "normal" Spider-Man stories that certain people are torn up about the Holland movies not being, while Peter can continue to unexpectedly show up in other superheros's living rooms and make their lives more complicated in overblown grandiose mega-scale adventures Like, he goes to Wakanda for a diplomatic mission, accidentally spills some hot coffee on a disgruntled engineer, and that guy decides to make an army of Vibranium Spider Slayers for revenge. This somehow brings back Ultron.
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Aug 24, 2021 07:58
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I feel like they dropped a lot of the stuff they were setting up in homecoming like Prowler/Miles and Scorpion But honestly it was worth it to sacrifice that poo poo to bring back Raimiverse.
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Aug 24, 2021 08:24
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I kinda assume that Strange is tricking Peter by showing him an illusion of what his life would be like, instead of actually doing the hugely irresponsible thing
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Aug 24, 2021 09:04
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Fangz posted:I kinda assume that Strange is tricking Peter by showing him an illusion of what his life would be like, instead of actually doing the hugely irresponsible thing I don't know, I think if it's a multiverse fakeout like Wandavision, then people'll riot.
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Noob Saibot posted:I feel like they dropped a lot of the stuff they were setting up in homecoming like Prowler/Miles and Scorpion That's how I'm feeling. You had Vulture, Scorpion, Aaron Davis (and sorta Miles Morales), Tinkerer, Shocker, and Liz Allen to continue exploring after that first movie. You had Chameleon and Mysterio to continue exploring in the sequel. Maybe other things too. My initial thought would have been a smaller scope story focused on Peter dealing with Jameson's continued harassment and whipping people into a frenzy (which this movie will apparently start off with) and having that then lead into Scorpion being created to kill Peter, since that would tie into the comic origins. And then you could build off of that even further and introduce other plot points or conflicts or villains. You really couldn't do Punisher's first appearance with Punisher, but a modification of that story with another character who has been convinced Spider-Man is a dangerous murderer that they must hunt down. Maybe someone who thinks of themselves as the greatest hunter with the skills to do it. But what do I know?
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I think it's kind of funny that they're leaning so heavily on the Raimi villains considering the fact that most of them were redeemed by the end of their respective films. I don't want Alfred Molina to be evil again after he sacrificed himself.  Film looks good, though! I'm kind of excited even though I didn't like the first two MCU Spider-Man films all that much.
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Aug 24, 2021 10:07
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here, ill just get in on the ground floor I BET THAT USNT STRANGE ITS ACKCHULLY MEPHISTO
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JordanKai posted:I don't want Alfred Molina to be evil again after he sacrificed himself. That is a concern, especially how Molina says this picks up right after SM2. Doesn't make too much sense for him to be acting evil. Goblin though is fairplay, he was fairly unrepentant, that bit of "don't tell Harry", implies a bit of shame, but otherwise he was a manipulative psychopath till the end. How he (and Ock) are back alive is another matter, but, perhaps we'll learn exactly what Harry's Norman visions were. Though that in itself could be a shame, I liked how those visions were ambiguous, could be Harry losing his mind/subconscious knowledge of his dad's identity/could be a recording or A.I left by Norman in the event of his death/could be a still alive Norman loving with Harry/could just straight up be Norman's ghost. It's cool how they never answer it.
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I mean the simplest answer is that these are SIMILIAR, but chronologically distinct versions of the Raimi Spider-villains. It's the multiverse, baby.
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OnimaruXLR posted:I mean the simplest answer is that these are SIMILIAR, but chronologically distinct versions of the Raimi Spider-villains. It's the multiverse, baby. Big honkin’ leak-related spoilers, you have been warned: They are the actual Raimi/ASM villains because Goblin and Electro both have dialogue with their respective Peters about remembering being killed. Which does complicate Doc Oc of course, but maybe the tentacles are back in control or something.
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Aug 24, 2021 10:46
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JordanKai posted:I think it's kind of funny that they're leaning so heavily on the Raimi villains considering the fact that most of them were redeemed by the end of their respective films. I don't want Alfred Molina to be evil again after he sacrificed himself. Oh yeah, that reminds me. How does this Multiverse stuff actually work? Is it something that's been explored in the comics before? Cuz based on this, it seems like there's some time displacement stuff going on too. Not just a jumping between/merging of concurrent universes. Is it sorta related to how they time traveled in Endgame, where you're not really going back in time, but different realities based in infinite moments in time?
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Someone on Reddit pointed out that there’s a shot toward the end where it almost looks like Sandman’s... sand is blocking Peter from being hit by Electro’s lightning. Maybe we will get sympathetic/redeemed Raimi villains after all?
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I'm far far far less interested in all this multiverse stuff than I would have been with something more straightforward like Jameson/Scorpion or even just "Hey all these lower level villains know who he is now so he's run ragged trying to survive them all" thing
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Aug 24, 2021 11:05
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Still hoping against hope for animated Miles to show up
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Aug 24, 2021 11:07
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hope nicholas Hammond shows up as the cancer cum spider man
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Aug 24, 2021 11:23
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I'm excited for it because the returning actors like Alfred Molina and Willem Dafoe are awesome. I at least assume the latter will show up considering the trailer
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Aug 24, 2021 11:26
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Well, apparently one good thing about this is that it's reminding everyone how much we all loved the Raimi films back then.
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Aug 24, 2021 11:29
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They are dope films. Even Scorcese thinks so.
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Something the movies have failed to do so far is to really develop the villains like in the comics, since they apparently all have to die at the end of each movie. In the comics the villains are recurring characters and sometimes they get entire arcs of their own and of course keep coming back to do stuff. I think that's why people liked Thanos so much, because he actually got two movies and the first one featured him A LOT. I'd like to see more villain focus in future movies tbh A superhero is nothing without a supervillain 
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Aug 24, 2021 12:38
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Something about the trailer didn't work for me. Everything pre-Strange was cool but by the end I was underwhelmed, I think maybe because I didn't see Spider-Man do anything. Suppose that will be later.
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Zzulu posted:Something the movies have failed to do so far is to really develop the villains like in the comics, since they apparently all have to die at the end of each movie. In the comics the villains are recurring characters and sometimes they get entire arcs of their own and of course keep coming back to do stuff. I think that's why people liked Thanos so much, because he actually got two movies and the first one featured him A LOT. I'd like to see more villain focus in future movies tbh The thing is, with these being comic book movies, even the villains that are "dead" can be brought back and utilized in an amusing enough fashion if they feel like it. Loki stands as a pretty clear example. Well, guys like Ultron and Yellowjacket can. I don't think they'd bring back Robert Redford from Winter Soldier. He was just some dude.
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Aug 24, 2021 13:15
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While it does look exciting and of course I'm going to see it, I'm a little bored of 2 of the movies now being "Peter's Big gently caress Ups". Yeah yeah he's a stupid high school kid, but in one he just hands over a doomsday device to a villain and now he's contributing to just breaking existence.
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Aug 24, 2021 13:21
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To be fair he's just asking the supreme wizard if he's got any tricks for this. It is the wizard who fucks upp all of reality, by the looks of it
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Aug 24, 2021 13:43
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It would be super funny if this turns out to be a stealth One More Day adaptation.
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Aug 24, 2021 13:46
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Being sick of Peter loving up would be like being sick of Spider-Man swinging on webs. It's just what he does. They'd don't call it the Parker Luck because it's good.
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Pete fucks everything up and Strange loving everything up are just two solid stories. Combining them is a no brainer. Semi-related isn’t the current Spidey books currently in the process of actually undoing the Mephisto poo poo and Strange is involved in it? I’m ready for the 2nd third Spider-Man movie from the third spider-man film series Rebuild of Spider-Man: You Can (Not) Undo
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Semi-related isn’t the current Spidey books currently in the process of actually undoing the Mephisto poo poo and Strange is involved in it? Maybe, but unlikely? No Strange as of yet.
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X-O posted:Maybe, but unlikely? No Strange as of yet. Had to look it up since I swear I read an article about it and here we are Strange is following up on something that happened to Peter and is dealing with Mephisto himself.
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