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Nitrousoxide posted:You're more patient than me. I think I gave up when they found Mudd the first time. It was kind of impressive how they managed to poo poo all over every part of the franchise the series touched.
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8one6 posted:Also why the gently caress do all of the Klingons speak Klingon like they just took a drink of water and are desperate not to swallow it?
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Aug 26, 2021 01:04
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galenanorth posted:The original show creator, who left before airing of the first episode, designed them to be a stand-in for Muslim terrorists, and wrote the pro-pre-emptive strike politics of the first episode more heavily. You can kind of see an Islamic world cultural reference in their ornate brass ship designs. They could have just given their aliens a separate species name, but they decided to designate them as the rebooted Klingons. loving LOL there's always more and it's always worse isn't it?
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8one6 posted:It was kind of impressive how they managed to poo poo all over every part of the franchise the series touched. You don't have to hand it to them but Pike/ Number One (Una)/ Talos IV stuff was actually p good even if it all began as service to 
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Aug 26, 2021 01:21
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The Mudd time loop episode was good.
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I tried to find a citation for the Arabic culture-as-inspiration story and couldn't, but I'm sure I read it somewhere explicitly...quote:How did you approach doing two different voices for these characters? There's the tightly woven brass caligraphy aspect  
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Aug 26, 2021 01:32
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They should have been new aliens rather than basically entirely recreating Klingons Of course, they also shouldn't have made another prequel, so
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If those new klingon designs had come out, and instead of them being klingon they were gorn, that whole redesign would have gone over so much better. It'd probably be fondly looked at as the same sort of upgrade the klingons went through from TOS to the movies.
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Nah, people would still have complained, it’s too different. Gorn are not humans with forehead bits, they’re chunky rubber suit lizard men. A new alien race would have been fine. Everything doesn’t need to be something we’ve seen before but repackaged, you can come up with marginally new things, it’s fine. Trek already has like fifteen flavors of semi-redundant barbarous space rear end in a top hat peoples, Klingons, Gorn, Jemhadar, Kazons, etc. What’s the problem with one more? But even if they weren’t Klingons that wouldn’t fix a bunch of lovely decisions they made with them. They’re way overdesigned, overly costumed, overly made-up. Also all the storytelling they do with them aggressively sucks rear end lol Also all the gargling sounds fake language dialogue. Holy poo poo, what were they thinking? Was that supposed to be fan service? skasion fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 02:13
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Aside from the literal head ridges, nothing about them says “Klingons” and that’s the issue. Not the architecture, not the ship design, not the costumes, it’s all just wrong. They’re not even bad designs, some of it looks incredibly cool, but it does not work at all as Klingons. They don’t even act like Klingons. They’re middle-earth space orcs! There was a fan-made speculation or fake rumor or something early on that postulated they were actually ancient Klingons who’d been in stasis for thousands of years and that’s the only way I could actually see them working as Klingons.
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Aug 26, 2021 02:14
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They did a ton of walking back the Klingon changes in Season 2, then they just kind of drop out of the series entirely
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Big Mean Jerk posted:There was a fan-made speculation or fake rumor or something early on that postulated they were actually ancient Klingons who’d been in stasis for thousands of years and that’s the only way I could actually see them working as Klingons. This was a fan theory based on the fact that the leaked ship concept just upthread was called “sarcophagus ship” iirc
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At the end of season 1, the show's messaging arrives at "sure, a pre-emptive strike is the logical Vulcan thing to do, but it's not the right thing to do, the human thing to do" (maybe as an attempt to retcon or address Fuller's writing) but given how often our recent pre-emptive strikes have been based on false or incomplete information, and that "the only way to win is not to play" when there is a risk of mutually assured destruction, it doesn't really seem that logical, either. If they were so sure that making aliens "more alien" was the way to go, consistency would've demanded they give a similar makeover to Vulcans at the risk of the Spock-based marketing material galenanorth fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 02:51
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its just so sad to go from having awesome Klingons like Martok to entirely horrible grim monsters in Disco
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I liked the two and a half Mudd episodes in Discovery way more than the two and a half in TOS and TAS for sure. Found the Klingon stuff to be compelling but that's definitely a preference thing. Never noticed any garbled issues. I'm pretty sure they spoke in perfect English (with processing ) while in makeup. It's just how tlhIngan Hol was supposed to sound. galenanorth posted:At the end of season 1, the show's messaging arrives at "sure, a pre-emptive strike is the logical Vulcan thing to do, but it's not the right thing to do, the human thing to do" (maybe as an attempt to retcon or address Fuller's writing) but given how often our recent pre-emptive strikes have been based on false or incomplete information, and that "the only way to win is not to play" when there is a risk of mutually assured destruction, it doesn't really seem that logical, either. The arc of Burnham's character was obviously supposed to bookend that she mutineered for the wrong reasons in the Pilot against Starfleet's ideals, and that she's mutineered for the right reasons for Starfleet. Sarek mentions that what worked for Vulcans didn't necessarily apply in this scenario.
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8one6 posted:12 and a half episodes was more than a fair chance. I'm done with this. Every season, people come on here and say that the show finally gets better, and every season, like a fool, I watch a few episodes before I realize the truth. It never gets better. Some viewers just get acclimated. Anson Mount is indeed the best part of season 2, but even he and his likeable Enterprise crew can't make up for awful dialog and cinematography. Fool that I am, I'll surely try Strange New Worlds, because hope springs eternal.
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Arc Light posted:Anson Mount is indeed the best part of season 2 I'm tempted but the look of the Enterprise and the bridge and what we've seen of the other sets really just gets under my skin in a way I know is irrational. But Anson mount is amazingly good and also very pretty. Hmm.
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You know speaking of Klingons are their changing appearance, I love how the TOS-era characters are all done in TAS style in Lower Decks and it just goes completely uncommented on. It's like humanity got the updated visual effects for once.
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Well, that was a pretty solid episode.  at Paris screaming “A KAZON!” and immediately beating the poo poo out of Boimler
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there was so much in that episode, like drat i liked it
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xerxus posted:I liked the two and a half Mudd episodes in Discovery way more than the two and a half in TOS and TAS for sure. I also prefer the sinister criminal/con-man than the goofy con-man who just wanted to be able to tell his wife to shut up.
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This episode was great, I'm just happy we're getting platefuls of good stuff!
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galenanorth posted:The original show creator, who left before airing of the first episode, designed them to be a stand-in for Muslim terrorists, and wrote the pro-pre-emptive strike politics of the first episode more heavily. You can kind of see an Islamic world cultural reference in their ornate brass ship designs. They could have just given their aliens a separate species name, but they decided to designate them as the rebooted Klingons. Bryan Fuller didn't just leave before the first episode was aired, he was fired something like seven months before a single frame of Discovery began filming. Big Mean Jerk posted:There was a fan-made speculation or fake rumor or something early on that postulated they were actually ancient Klingons who’d been in stasis for thousands of years and that’s the only way I could actually see them working as Klingons. The ship in The Vulcan Hello being a sarcophagus was a hint to this, yes.
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Lower Decks: 3 minutes in, T'Ana being a straight-up cat is the peak of comedy thank you very much
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Aug 26, 2021 14:02
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Harry Kim is now a capain.
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Ooo, takin' advantage of the new high-detail model there for some nice closer-in angles. Hey, there were three simultaneous plots in that episode and none of them sucked! Normally at least once does when they do that much. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 14:33
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Fantastic episode. Mariner can't play the "you're just freakin' out and angry because you're an uptight nerd" when she seriously messes up with Tendi like she can with Boimler, so she has to confront the consequences of her actions directly. All the jokes were spot-on and I laughed for a whole minute at the end
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Aug 26, 2021 15:25
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so Shax's deal is just Bajoran stuff, right?
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Poor Rutherford.
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MikeJF posted:Hey, there were three simultaneous plots in that episode and none of them sucked! Normally at least once does when they do that much. Yeah I was waiting for at least one to drop the ball but they juggled all three so well and all three had amazing payoff.
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MikeJF posted:Ooo, takin' advantage of the new high-detail model there for some nice closer-in angles. Though some of those shots of the Engineering section kinda threw me for a loop since they made it look like it’s not even attached to the ship lol
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Aug 26, 2021 16:49
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Someone needs to upload the Klingon Death Metal songs
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Aug 26, 2021 16:56
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Tiny image, but I gotta say, the initial previs that they used to set up the lighting on the Enterprise bridge for Disco looks way nicer than what they ended up going with
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Aug 26, 2021 17:48
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That screech Boimler let out was one of the great comedic screams of anguish. Wow.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Harry Kim is now a capain. 
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MikeJF posted:Tiny image, but I gotta say, the initial previs that they used to set up the lighting on the Enterprise bridge for Disco looks way nicer than what they ended up going with Yeah it actually pops quite nicely with that brighter lighting over the darker blue. What a way to ruin a nice set.
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Mokinokaro posted:Yeah it actually pops quite nicely with that brighter lighting over the darker blue. What a way to ruin a nice set. Agreed. Here's hoping they go with that initial lighting for SNW. Nitrousoxide posted:I really hate Disco's uniforms. It's almost impossible to tell the crewman's role or rank at a glance. The sets are dark and the uniforms dark too so they just blend into the background as well. The 32nd Century uniforms were so-so, but had a glaring fault that should've been obvious from initial screen-testing; At the right angle you can't see the colour stripe and that's kind of a no-no for a television show's fancy uniform. You can tell they worked out that one by the end, because they've inverted the colour scheme for season 4 with a black stripe. (I half-wonder if it's why they kept the Disco uniforms for the entire season as a temporary fix)
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There were some extremely great Tendi faces in this episode. I need gifs from this episode especially kitty in the box Also Mariner being explicitly, uh, pansexual seems to be limiting to describe her sexual identity. Also Bromlier? He's more of a pet
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MikeJF posted:Tiny image, but I gotta say, the initial previs that they used to set up the lighting on the Enterprise bridge for Disco looks way nicer than what they ended up going with The lighting in the top image is austere and a bit unsettling. The bottom one is unimaginative because everything is blue nowadays, but that doesn't automatically make the top one good for what the bridge of the Enterprise should look like. The top one would be good lighting of either a corporate monolith or some creepy science ship. I don't watch Discovery so I'm just going by the image.
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I just hate how dark modern bridge sets are, it's hard to get a good feel of it. For all the complaints about Cruise ship to the stars the Galaxy got the bridge was well lit and easy to parse to where anyone who had seen a few episodes could easily map out the entire thing in their head.
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