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LimburgLimbo posted:Solid showing though being an island is a big advantage and critically allows Taiwan to keep out Delta... so far. If/when Delta comes we might find out that China is the only place in the world willing to do what it takes to keep Delta numbers down. I was under the impression that Taiwan's surge that they'd just crushed already was Delta?
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Aug 26, 2021 12:50
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gradenko_2000 posted:I was under the impression that Taiwan's surge that they'd just crushed already was Delta? Nope, all alpha, except for one case that spread to I think two people due to slip ups on the way to quarantine in Pingtung. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4239214 They quickly shut everything down in the area and got lucky with no more spread. Since it’s all been Alpha they managed to bring it down (not completely done yet as there were two cases today, but looking good), with just a soft lockdown. Everyone went to work, most not even remote, they just shut down restaurants and bars and the like. If it were Delta they probably couldn’t have managed with such loose restrictions. Note you will see some Delta in Taiwan infections data if you look, but it’s all imported cases in quarantine.
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Aug 26, 2021 13:22
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e: gently caressgradenko_2000 posted:I was under the impression that Taiwan's surge that they'd just crushed already was Delta? No, it wasn't Delta: quote:Taiwan's domestic outbreak was almost exclusively the previously globally dominant Alpha variant, rather than the highly contagious Delta variant. Alpha is the British variant.
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Aug 26, 2021 13:24
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thanks for correcting me!LimburgLimbo posted:they just shut down restaurants and bars and the like. lol christ some countries can't even do this extremely basic thing
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Aug 26, 2021 13:28
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Rutibex posted:isnt saudi arabia a US puppet outside of Israel (which is also jumping ship to china) there is no one else who could get away with this.
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Aug 26, 2021 13:34
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i guess the empire is crumbling
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Rutibex posted:isnt saudi arabia a US puppet Perhaps. Russian-Saudi relations have warmed these past few years despite last year's oil price war. It's smart to engage Russia and cooperate on oil pricing and other matters to prevent them aligning completely with Iran. Speaking of Iran we know talks between Saudi and Iranian officials have been taking place in Baghdad. I think both sides are moving toward a period of détente in the near future.
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Aug 26, 2021 13:46
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Cao Ni Ma posted:We usually forbade countries from buying technology from other countries if they were getting tech from us but who knows whats happening right now. Will we stop selling stuff to saudi arabia? Doubtful Who is "we"?
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Aug 26, 2021 13:49
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stephenthinkpad posted:Who is "we"? usa
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Aug 26, 2021 14:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:thanks for correcting me! Well I should say they also do fairly aggressive contact tracing, and have a system where you use a LINE (local major messenger app, same as Japan) sub-app from the CDC to scan a QR code and generate an SMS that you need to show to get in to stores, which gives they a fast and good way of tracking every possible exposure. This is in addition to other dedicated contact tracing apps. Overall a really good system, and it helps not having literal death cults and conspiracy theorists in large numbers actively trying to sabotage things.
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Aug 26, 2021 14:22
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is him taking out billionaires who have outsized political and economic power in our world isnt enough proof?
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Aug 26, 2021 16:41
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stephenthinkpad posted:Who is "we"? 
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Aug 26, 2021 17:15
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Cao Ni Ma posted:We usually forbade countries from buying technology from other countries if they were getting tech from us but who knows whats happening right now. Will we stop selling stuff to saudi arabia? Doubtful PawParole posted:outside of Israel (which is also jumping ship to china) there is no one else who could get away with this.
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Aug 26, 2021 17:22
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Aug 26, 2021 17:53
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Lostconfused posted:Yeah. Turkey bought the S400 or whatever Russian AA system recently and got kicked out of the F-35 program for it. Which made the F-35 program even more expensive because the supply chain had to be redone because anyone in the F-35 program ends up making parts for the F-35, lol. lmfao what? the f-35 program is so amazingly dumb
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Aug 26, 2021 18:20
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Agrajag posted:lmfao what? It's also to make it harder politically to disengage from; 45 US states produce a F-35 part, so scuttling the boondoggle kills JOBS
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Aug 26, 2021 18:25
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JOBS!
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Aug 26, 2021 18:52
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OhFunny posted:Russian-Saudi relations have warmed these past few years despite last year's oil price war Reminds me about how anti-Russia Erdogan was and then Turkish jets got shot down in Syria and then Turkey sidled up to them
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Aug 26, 2021 19:04
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well, russia put pretty bad sanctions on turkey after that su-25 was shut down, and that was painful for turkey. they do a lot of construction work in russia, and turkey is extremely popular with russian tourists. turkey's economy which wasn't and isn't doing great could not handle the added pressure of sanctions. so now they are kind of friends again, despite being on opposite sides of three conflicts in the last few years lol
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Aug 26, 2021 19:09
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I was thinking the 21st century version. 
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Aug 26, 2021 19:10
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stephenthinkpad posted:I was thinking the 21st century version. i want to slap and spit in the face of every single person in this picture so much i hate all of em
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Aug 26, 2021 19:24
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonnyc/status/1430948877541195776?s=21
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Aug 26, 2021 19:42
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stephenthinkpad posted:I was thinking the 21st century version. i know we wasted a few pages because someone said this line recently, but idk if you 'get the joke' it's germans under those american flags
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Aug 26, 2021 19:54
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stephenthinkpad posted:I was thinking the 21st century version. It's missing the context of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
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Aug 26, 2021 20:00
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Antonymous posted:i know we wasted a few pages because someone said this line recently, but idk if you 'get the joke' No, I thought its one of those old patriotic Space movie like The Right Stuff which I haven't seen. The glasses guy did look like a band member.
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Aug 26, 2021 20:06
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x-post from the marxism thread as it's semi-on topic Does anyone have a decent source on the % of the population of the USSR who agreed/disagreed with dissolution?
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Aug 26, 2021 23:10
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The Central Asian republics were firmly against it, which raises the tantalizing possibility of the USSR surviving as a 'stan affair.
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Aug 26, 2021 23:23
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Deified Data posted:x-post from the marxism thread as it's semi-on topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum 77.85% of the population voted for the soviet union to continue to exist: quote:Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any ethnicity will be fully guaranteed?
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Aug 26, 2021 23:29
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Moldova, the Baltics, and most of Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia did not take part in the poll and substantial majorities would have likely voted to dissolve/leave... this is leaving out national minorities in e.g. Georgia and Moldova who wanted to stay, which led to the frozen conflicts we all know and love today. But still, an 8 republic USSR (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the stans) voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union.
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Aug 26, 2021 23:36
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So they were voting in the affirmative that they wanted the USSR to continue as is, or they wanted the USSR to continue existing as the liberal perestroika union that Gorbachev wanted? The wording is just funny to me, if I'm understanding it right the referendum existed to build consent for liberalization yet it words retaining the USSR in a pretty positive light.
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Aug 26, 2021 23:56
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Deified Data posted:The wording is just funny to me that is deliberate
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Aug 26, 2021 23:57
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lobster shirt posted:Moldova, the Baltics, and most of Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia did not take part in the poll and substantial majorities would have likely voted to dissolve/leave... this is leaving out national minorities in e.g. Georgia and Moldova who wanted to stay, which led to the frozen conflicts we all know and love today. But still, an 8 republic USSR (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the stans) voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union. The "funny" thing about Georgia being so gung-ho about dissolving the Union was that they were already one of the richest Soviet republics, with a higher development level than the Russian SFSR. Then they got hosed over the most by the post-dissolution frozen conflicts, and became one of the poorest former Soviet republics because there wasn't a place for them in the new world economic order.
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Aug 27, 2021 00:00
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wow did Stalin unduly favor his home region while in power smdh
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Aug 27, 2021 00:02
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Rutibex posted:that is deliberate How do you mean? That is was intentionally worded to sound as though you were voting to preserve the USSR when you were actually voting to "continue" it in a reformed fashion? I'm trying to read the question as cynically is possible.
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Aug 27, 2021 00:04
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Maximo Roboto posted:wow did Stalin unduly favor his home region while in power smdh lol, but on the off-hand somebody thinks this isn't a joke, the Georgians were able to requisition more funding for their development projects because they had the most valuable resources for schmoozing in a socialist system: great food, good wine, and cool people that are fun to hang out with. Just being sociable went a long way in the Soviet system, but being opened up to the world market made all of those advantages completely irrelevant. Georgia had no oil or outstanding mineral wealth to speak of, and was wedged into a region too far away from the EU and buried too deep in the Black Sea for the West to be interested in it.
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Aug 27, 2021 00:12
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also does anyone know a good history book about the USSR? kinda like A People's History of the United States
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Aug 27, 2021 00:37
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Popy posted:also does anyone know a good history book about the USSR? kinda like A People's History of the United States it’s been a long time and I don’t remember the succ levels but I remember reading moshe lewin’s Soviet Century (recommended by McCaine many moons ago) and thinking it was way better than the stuff I was reading in Russian history class. I assume it left a good impression on me 15 years ago. Still I don’t remember what was said about Stalin so ymmv. https://www.versobooks.com/books/2273-the-soviet-century mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 00:54 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 00:43
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:lol, but on the off-hand somebody thinks this isn't a joke, the Georgians were able to requisition more funding for their development projects because they had the most valuable resources for schmoozing in a socialist system: great food, good wine, and cool people that are fun to hang out with. Just being sociable went a long way in the Soviet system, but being opened up to the world market made all of those advantages completely irrelevant. yeah georgians are reputed to have the gift of gab, which allowed a lot of them to be successful in the soviet system. iirc there was some resentment among ethnic russians over this as well. georgian food and wine really are great though.
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Aug 27, 2021 00:47
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Maximo Roboto posted:wow did Stalin unduly favor his home region while in power smdh iirc it was the opposite and he was overly brusque with them to the point that lenin got mad at him for great russian chauvinism or similar. like they had a minor falling out over the question of whether georgia should just be folded into another SSR or given autonomy, and it was lenin who was pushing for autonomy
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Aug 27, 2021 00:56
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lobster shirt posted:yeah georgians are reputed to have the gift of gab, which allowed a lot of them to be successful in the soviet system. iirc there was some resentment among ethnic russians over this as well. Yeah, and it helps that the items that Georgia produced also were generally in short supply in the rest of the Soviet Union. You could do a lot with a bag of oranges and some bottles of fine wine. (A lot of it is just due to geography and simply that Georgia has an ideal climate for certain types of agriculture.) In terms of raw economic stats, the Georgian SSR was fairly middling. Also, Stalin’s lack of warmth toward the Georgian SSR most likely had a lot to do with the relative fragile economic state of the Caucasus and the fact that access to oil products from Baku’s fields was absolutely essential. Georgia is clearly the bread basket of the Caucasus and forming a single Transcaucasian SSR facilitated grain transfers to Baku. That said, Abkhazia was later absorbed by the Georgian SSR, so it is hard to really say they only got the short end of the stick. Then there is the whole forgery issue. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 02:57 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 02:33
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mawarannahr posted:it’s been a long time and I don’t remember the succ levels but I remember reading moshe lewin’s Soviet Century (recommended by McCaine many moons ago) and thinking it was way better than the stuff I was reading in Russian history class. I assume it left a good impression on me 15 years ago. Still I don’t remember what was said about Stalin so ymmv. I second this, but also a history of the USSR is such a wide topic that any one volume treatment is necessarily going to be lacking
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