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I'd say the book and warscrolls are useless since a new version come out in less than a month. The rest is meh as far as I'm concerned because I'm not a fan of the Savage Orruks. The Ironjawz side is a little light (only one warchanter, only 3 gore gruntas, no shaman, no megaboss, no brutes, only a few ardboyz).
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Hey so I'm getting the gently caress out of SA for my mental health. This obviously means I won't be able to update the glorious tome of information that is the OP, so if anything cool and new happens that would warrant updating it, you're going to probably have to make a new thread or something. Please make sure the thread title is very good. I'm gonna go smoke some weed and play a bunch of Humankind. Peace and stay cool.
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The Deleter posted:Hey so I'm getting the gently caress out of SA for my mental health. This obviously means I won't be able to update the glorious tome of information that is the OP, so if anything cool and new happens that would warrant updating it, you're going to probably have to make a new thread or something. Please make sure the thread title is very good. I'm gonna go smoke some weed and play a bunch of Humankind. Peace and stay cool. Bye maybe see you in the future.
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Aug 24, 2021 20:19
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Be well, thank you for the thread <3
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The Deleter posted:Hey so I'm getting the gently caress out of SA for my mental health. This obviously means I won't be able to update the glorious tome of information that is the OP, so if anything cool and new happens that would warrant updating it, you're going to probably have to make a new thread or something. Please make sure the thread title is very good. I'm gonna go smoke some weed and play a bunch of Humankind. Peace and stay cool. See you, realm cowboy.
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Take care of yourself, hope you get the help you need and your weed is good.
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Aug 25, 2021 12:44
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New FAQs are up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/
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Aug 27, 2021 13:01
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quote:Q: The Predator’s Domain grand strategy states ‘When the battle ends, you complete this grand strategy if you control more terrain features than your opponent.’ When do I check for control of terrain features for this grand strategy?
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Oh jeez Horrors no longer count as taking actual casualties until a brimstone dies. edit: oh wow the unit's changed a lot. Icons no longer bring back models but now each one in the unit grants a fate point on 3+. Musician grants a +1 to save instead of morale stuff. No to hit bonuses for size or from spellcasting anymore (hence the icon change) so they're stuck with the basic +5/+4/D1 magical flames profile. Petty Vengeance triggers on a lower roll per horror type. A new wrinkle as written is splitting seems to be mandatory now? edit 2: nothing else quite as drastic so far. Also they updated a bunch of the legends warscrolls with Cities of Sigmar tags 
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Aug 27, 2021 13:17
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Still no answer on how it works when a non-Marked S2D leader with Eye of the Gods rolls on the table and gets a Mark-related result.
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Aug 27, 2021 13:22
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Oh jeez Horrors no longer count as taking actual casualties until a brimstone dies. The way it's written, it would make splitting mandatory if you pick the 'Split and Split again' ability for the unit. but, there's no clause or anything to sidestep the situation if you run out of blue/brimstone models or space to set them up. You can assume the model is destroyed, but what does that mean for considering it "Slain" or not... that will probably need another FAQ... One upside, since pinks and blues don't count as dying, you don't have to take Battleshock til you're down to Brimstones. Edit: Also, they can't be wizards anymore? Desfore fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Aug 27, 2021 |
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Aug 27, 2021 13:56
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Loreseeker is back to being unique again.  to the dream where he could have a 5+ ward save or a blade of leaping goldWhat a journey it's been from people freaking out about the hero being meta-warping at the end of 2.0 to being pretty much forgettable now.
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Forever stuck with the burning question of "is it A Loreseeker or The Loreseeker?" also yeah pinks are no longer conditional wizards but I guess the icon change more than covers the fate points you'd be getting from casting Channeled Fire. And, again, this is still a unit that's like 50-150 wounds and battleshock not counting till the last third of that if anything made them even better in Host Duplicitous. my P2G-playing rear end is so loving psyched about the Legends warscrolls getting their keywords updated. Though, like, I feel like the old High Elf Archers and Spears/Seaguard not getting an update is this weird admission that everyone just uses them as Vanari Wardens and Sentinels anyway.
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Freeguild still need proper Freeguild keyword, tho. Order Draconis looks like a neat force, possibly actually fieldable as an elite cav army.
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I'm not sure we needed ward save stacking, but here we are. 3-4 rolls to allocate a wound. Awesome.
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Dreylad posted:I'm not sure we needed ward save stacking, but here we are. 3-4 rolls to allocate a wound. Awesome. The strange way that question is worded, with bolding about the words "before" and "after", gives the impression that the intent was to ensure that abilities that reduce damage as it is allocated, such as Mannfred's "Armor of Templehof", work in proper order with the Ward saves (after them). But by introducing this weird timing aspect to wound allocation everyone is looking closer at the wording of ward saves ("Before you allocate a wound or mortal wound...") versus how damage prevention rolls are written until now ("when you allocate a wound..") and its real dumb. it also seems clearly unintentional given that this sort of change normally only comes about in GHBs or printed core rules. Our local TOs have already ruled that we will keep playing with only one wound allocation save.
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It also seems to contradict the intent of the answer immediately after it, that clarifies bodyguards don't stack with normal ward.
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Aug 27, 2021 22:35
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To be fair the FAQ bought some clarity (nooo metal cruncher) but addressed none of the glaring issues that have started to emerge as people actually get to play. Of course the FAQ had to change the wyldwood warscroll again and break it completely to boot. It will probably have an faq again shortly if it doesn't already to fix the error. Basically it no longer allows teleports because of the way they changed it previously.
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Aug 27, 2021 23:10
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Also just noticed all of the Eldritch Council wizards come with spells but technically cannot cast them since their casts/denies aren't listed on the warscroll. Mind since this isn't aimed anywhere towards matched play sensible people will assume 1/1.
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I'm mostly amused by the fact that there is only one way to get a Cities Gryph-Hound, and that's the one dog you get from the Warpriest. You can't have a unit of them by any other means. Which, like, if you want them, just coalition them in from Stormcast, you can absolutely do that in any army that has a Warpriest in the first place. But still.
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What year did the really insane metal pink horrors come out? The turn yourself inside out ones.
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Kruleboyz are coming to Underworlds
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Winklebottom posted:Kruleboyz are coming to Underworlds mask over the nose, pal
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Winklebottom posted:Kruleboyz are coming to Underworlds it'd rather have a rad troop of little grot jailers like this guy over the loving hobgrot losers
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Winklebottom posted:Kruleboyz are coming to Underworlds
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Nice most of the underworld bands look great. I am constantly tempted by Thundirks profiteers even though I don't really collect KO...yet.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/31/white-dwarf-468-is-all-about-wolves-warriors-and-kill-team-hunter-clades Looks like Daves of Darkness players have something to look forward to with the next WD issue as they're doing another battletome update. quote:Tome Celestial: Slaves to Darkness is a huge boon to Chaos worshippers. Including rules updates spanning six pages, this considerable battletome update presents revamped allegiance abilities and core battalions, as well as new rules for open and matched play formats, and a suite of rules for using Slaves to Darkness in Path to Glory campaigns. This bevy of official rulings comes straight from the game designers – an official, tournament-legal update to Battletome: Slaves to Darkness itself – so don’t get caught without them when you bring your forces of the Everchosen to your next event.
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I am not a fan of doing rules updates in white dwarves. I am even less of a fan of them reintroducing faction battalions. You guys pulled that poo poo two months ago, and everybody liked it. You couldn't balance batallions. What even is the point of bringing them back? I'm even less of a fan of them bringing faction specific battle tactics and grand strategies. Right now everyone has access to the same set, so you are aware of what the other guy can do and this enables counterplay. There is no way you can be aware of the faction specific tactics for every faction. 3.0 removed a lot of bloat that was detrimental to the game, it is so weird to see them turn around and reintroduce it.
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It's super weird. Gloomspite Gitz got 4 WD articles, then those got consolidated/updated in Broken Realms, then most of that got removed with 3rd edition, and now what, we're waiting for another WD?
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I consider those articles a kind of patch until the respective battletome arrives. I don't mind them unless they broke something... which seems very likely the more they do.
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This is all  but GW is leaning heavily into forcing you to purchase the "get you by" items now, then very soon thereafter, making those purchases null by putting out another book. It makes sense that they stopped putting out WD digitally so you can't just get a pirated PDF to play your army anymore, you have to pay $10 for the physical WD for your temp rules. I totally appreciate that some rules are better than not getting rules for your faction for months or years like it used to be, but I really wish GW would just put the updates out as free PDFs until you can purchase the new version of the army book/codex/whatever. IMO, WD should be a hobby vehicle first, an experimental testbed for rules and scenarios second, and an official rules distribution method (in conjunction with PDF updates) as a very distant third.
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Geisladisk posted:I am not a fan of doing rules updates in white dwarves. That just seems like GW's MO this edition cycle. The same thing happened in 40K; launched with simple generic rules for everyone, then with the first codex releases, armies got custom secondary objectives, and immediately threw the game off balance (no small part due to Marine's Oaths of Moment being so good). I am a little surprised to see them bringing back custom battalions so quickly, though. They even specify them as "Core battalions," so there's no 'narrative only' type way of segmenting them off. Desfore fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Faction battalions feel like less of a big deal than it really is since they only grant the listed benefit now.
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Other than a quick look at the army builder tool online I really haven't a clue about how any of that stuff works, and I'm not sure as a noob how I'll possibly be able to put it all together.
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The Giant’s update was nothing game breaking. And I am curious about this Slaves one.
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I like to think any sensible TO or event organiser outside of GW specific events will just flat out ban any White Dwarf content (I would). As it is rarely well put together or balanced. Also if you predominantly play with friends it isn't like you can't just restrict yourselves to not using it either. I completely agree that it sets a crappy precedent though.
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Hoboskins posted:I like to think any sensible TO or event organiser outside of GW specific events will just flat out ban any White Dwarf content (I would). As it is rarely well put together or balanced. Also if you predominantly play with friends it isn't like you can't just restrict yourselves to not using it either. I completely agree that it sets a crappy precedent though. These seem to be legit tome updates for factions not getting one anytime soon. So banning seems a bad idea. The Sons of Behamat one was decent, so I think we should give the Slaves one a chance.
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The sons one kind of made sense because of the way their army worked, or didn't in this case for battalions. The personalised secondaries were not obvious I win buttons that is true, but the issue is how many battletomes there are. GW's track record speaks for itself, eventually they will make one that is bad. I think the other reason this idea is getting salt is because it completely contradicts the reason they said they were invalidating battletome specific battalions in the first place, because it was too hard to balance. I'm probably more concerned about them making making battletome specific battletactics than battalions. I'm happy to be eat my words and be proved wrong though.
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