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codo27 posted:Better than a half hour of Mr. Chase on the new movie Cool, thanks for this. It's a pro click Chase comes off as a really intelligent cat. I'm semi excited for this movie but am still tempering my expectations. I wonder if we'll get a definitive answer whether or not that cop really murdered DIckie or of it was all just a setup. I have a feeling it'll be a little of both or, more likely, still left open ended. Also, Julianna Margulies was quite good on the latest Talking Sopranos podcast. https://talkingsopranos.simplecast.com/ BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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CPFortest posted:It's more prevalent in the back half than the front half but off the top of my head, the whole Tony/Bobby conflict in Sopranos Home Movies is set off by Tony's fury at Janice being fairly non chalant about when Johnny shot a bullet through Livia's beehive hair compared to him. The final trigger for Phil deciding to antagonize the Jersey crew over the rest of the season is how he makes himself mad by retelling the story of how his family name became Leotardo, an event he takes seriously only occurring because of a tiny documenting error on Ellis Island. Both instances are about how each venerate their warped views on their family history. Thanks for this clear-sighted breakdown, lots to chew on there. It didn't hit me just how much 6b really parallels Tony and Phil and plays them off each other. That last bit about Tony acting just like Livia is something I really honed in on my rewatch - and it becomes super clear in that back half of the season. Tony can't stand to see other people happy and actively works to make people around him miserable. He even picks up little mannerisms of Livia's, like endlessly reciting different tragedies involving children from the news. Its amazing how much, in his desperate attempt to evade her grasp, he ends up simply embodying her. BiggerBoat posted:
I really feel like we're going to find out something narrative shattering about Dickie's death in the movie. I think its quite likely that Det Haydu isn't actually his murderer, or if he is, it was at the behest of someone else, likely somebody close to Dickie and Tony. Maybe its too pat, but I think there'll be some revelation that Tony is somehow responsible for the senior Moltisanti's death (or at least, feels responsible in some way) and thats a big part of why he's spent decades idolizing him and trying to make it up to him. Regardless I'm excited to find out. More Sopranos content is coming! Mike N Eich fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Aug 25, 2021 |
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Tony is in high school in the upcoming film. It's insane that he might be ordering hits on made guys. I do think there will be some twist betrayal, though. Tony says his first murder was 1982, 15 years after the Newark riots. I think he'll just give up Dickie's location, or something similar.
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Whale Vomit posted:Tony is in high school in the upcoming film. It's insane that he might be ordering hits on made guys. Yeah I don't think he's going to be ordering or even committing the murder - I think he'll just do something (like give up a location) or do something accidental, that causes Dickie's death.
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Aug 25, 2021 03:41
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Whale Vomit posted:Tony is in high school in the upcoming film. It's insane that he might be ordering hits on made guys. He ordered a hit on a varsity athlete Junior kept praising
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night slime posted:He ordered a hit on a varsity athlete Junior kept praising *slowed down epic version of pumped up kicks starts playing*
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Mike N Eich posted:That last bit about Tony acting just like Livia is something I really honed in on my rewatch - and it becomes super clear in that back half of the season. Tony can't stand to see other people happy and actively works to make people around him miserable. He even picks up little mannerisms of Livia's, like endlessly reciting different tragedies involving children from the news. Its amazing how much, in his desperate attempt to evade her grasp, he ends up simply embodying her. This reminds me of how often Tony or another character says “Poor you” post Livia’s death and how it’s always affecting
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Aug 25, 2021 09:14
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Tony always reminds me of my dad and yeah he was like you'd imagine. I think of when he dumps out AJ's cereal and says, "Now you got nuttin'." a lot.
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So I couldn't resist myself, and I immediately went back to season 1 when I finished the series. The pilot and the first couple episodes are a bit rough but its actually astonishing how quickly the series finds its feet. Really by episode 3 or 4 the show knows what its doing and is pretty confident with it. There's still some odd moments, but also some really amazing far-reaching things that they laid down early on that they continued with throughout the entire series run. And god, Nancy Marchand is magnificent. Honestly the only thing that feels real off about it is Melfi, who is far less confident and authoritative than she is in later seasons. And Gandolfini's 'Tony' voice takes a little while to get right, its not nearly as nasally as it is later on.
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In season 4, Ginny's rear end mole goes from 98lb to 95lb when the joke is told to Paulie, then to 90lb by the time it reaches John lol
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crispix posted:In season 4, Ginny's rear end mole goes from 98lb to 95lb when the joke is told to Paulie, then to 90lb by the time it reaches John lol Maybe she was doing the Atkins!
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So Tony agrees to take out Carmine which obviously ultimately gets called off. But it seems like an insanely risky move on his part. Johnny claims to have the ear of the other families, but Johnny is also a snaky gently caress and could easily backstab Tony on that. He might even prefer that Tony get whacked so that someone easier to control gets put in place on New Jersey, and also so that he doesn't have to give in to Tony's demands. I get that Tony gets the HUD claims to himself and gets a 60/40 on construction splits but if the hit is traced back to him there's a good chance the other families clip him in revenge. I think Tony lucked out big time that Carmine was willing to settle. I don't think that hit would have worked out for him at all.
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Ginette Reno posted:So Tony agrees to take out Carmine which obviously ultimately gets called off. But it seems like an insanely risky move on his part. Johnny claims to have the ear of the other families, but Johnny is also a snaky gently caress and could easily backstab Tony on that. He might even prefer that Tony get whacked so that someone easier to control gets put in place on New Jersey, and also so that he doesn't have to give in to Tony's demands. I wonder if there’s any way that would have ended other than with Johnny blaming it on the Jersey crew and screwing them over
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Aug 26, 2021 18:29
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I mean in the end Tony is incredibly dumb
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean in the end Tony is incredibly dumb I dunno. He usually has pretty good instincts in terms of self preservation with his job. You kinda have to in that position or you're gonna get killed or deposed pretty quickly. When he fucks up as a boss it tends to be when he's emotionally involved in a situation such as with Tony B, etc. When it's a situation that doesn't directly affect his pride he tends to respond pretty shrewdly. This isn't a situation where his emotions would get in the way so it's somewhat surprising he's so willing to trust Johnny.
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I think there was a calculation there where I'm sure Tony did consider the potential blowback from doing the hit, but at the same time, what if he refused? It seems like both options include risk that he could end up being taken out as a result but only one of the options included the huge financial incentive that Johnny was offering.
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Basebf555 posted:I think there was a calculation there where I'm sure Tony did consider the potential blowback from doing the hit, but at the same time, what if he refused? It seems like both options include risk that he could end up being taken out as a result but only one of the options included the huge financial incentive that Johnny was offering. Yeah. Either outcome aside from actually settling meant Tony was going to have one of the heads of the Five Families ticked at him which is not a place he wanted to be if he could avoid it.
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I do think it was an extraordinary ask by Johnny and it’s surprising Tony does eventually come around to it. It exposes Tony and New Jersey immensely, and if any word of who the perpetrators leaks out there’s no hesitation on the part of any of the rest of families to wipe out Tony and his glorified crew. I think Tony must count on his friendship with Johnny paying him off in future collaboration but really he shouldn’t have taken it up. Of course, he also considers whacking Johnny earlier that season (I don’t remember- did they actually contract anyone for that before the hit gets rescinded?)
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Mike N Eich posted:(I don’t remember- did they actually contract anyone for that before the hit gets rescinded?) Lou Dimaggio and The Atwell Avenue boys.
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Mike N Eich posted:I think Tony must count on his friendship with Johnny paying him off in future collaboration but really he shouldn’t have taken it up. Of course, he also considers whacking Johnny earlier that season (I don’t remember- did they actually contract anyone for that before the hit gets rescinded?) That was when he sends Sil and Chrissy to go to talk to the crazy elderly hitmen in Rhode Island to clip John on the way to see John's dad.
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Aug 26, 2021 22:20
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It is a shame we never got to see that attempted hit
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Mike N Eich posted:It is a shame we never got to see that attempted hit I need a spin off miniseries of those loving weirdos.
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An appearance of the Atwells Avenue Boys in their prime in Many Saints of Newark would be amazing.
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I thought I remember some real ex mobster being interviewed and saying that a lot of the top hitmen were old rear end dudes who had been doing it for a long time and retained the murderous skills of their youth. So the Atwell Avenue boys might have been pretty good at it despite their condition. And then there's Bobby's Dad of course.
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Ralph Hurley posted:An appearance of the Atwells Avenue Boys in their prime in Many Saints of Newark would be amazing. Now you're talking. I hadn't even thought of that.
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Out of curiosity I looked it up and sure enough, the Atwell Avenue Boys were probably a part of whatever the in-universe name was for the Patriarca crime family than ran New England, primarily Rhode Island and Boston. A lot of the family were put away thanks to noted 'horrible even for a mobster' Whitey Bulger who the FBI let run his operation as long as he informed on other organized crime stuff.
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Dawgstar posted:Out of curiosity I looked it up and sure enough, the Atwell Avenue Boys were probably a part of whatever the in-universe name was for the Patriarca crime family than ran New England, primarily Rhode Island and Boston. A lot of the family thanks to noted horrible even for a mobster Whitey Bulger who the FBI let run his operation as long as he informed on other organized crime stuff. Wasn't Whitey Bulger the guy who inspired Jack Nicholson's character in the Departed? While typing that I realized I could just google it, and yes, he was.
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Aug 27, 2021 18:33
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I earmarked Homicide Life on the Streets to watch while we went through the Wire. Third episode, not only Edie Falco but what's his name Father Phil too. I'm really liking this so far, awful visual quality aside
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Aug 27, 2021 23:07
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Edie Falco played a corrections officer in the first three seasons of Oz and Father Phil played a SORT team officer.
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They were also on Nurse Jackie together.
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He also played the Martian black market dealer on The Expanse and I'm embarrassed it took me so long to figure out where I knew his face from.
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codo27 posted:I earmarked Homicide Life on the Streets to watch while we went through the Wire. Third episode, not only Edie Falco but what's his name Father Phil too. I'm really liking this so far, awful visual quality aside The first season is shot on 16mm film if I recall correctly. It's an amazing show, with incredible acting and writing but the quality really slides downwards through the later seasons. Pembleton is probably the greatest TV cop ever. Ned Beatty slays every scene as Bolander. e: Yaphet Kotto, Melissa Leo, Jon Polito, Danny Baldwin... They're all just mind-blowing performances. What an ensemble cast that first season. Another Bill fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Father Phil will always be Chapelle from 24.
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Jerusalem posted:He also played the Martian black market dealer on The Expanse and I'm embarrassed it took me so long to figure out where I knew his face from. WHAT
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Annabel Pee posted:Father Phil will always be Chapelle from 24. Yeah this is how I always see him. He was great on that show too. Great performance and a memorable arc.
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https://twitter.com/princess_antifa/status/1431720993324560386?s=21
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I have a new ending theory: Ralphie's ghost killed Tony https://twitter.com/sopranoscaps/status/1432552562343907331?s=20
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And you thought the Germans were classless pieces of poo poo
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There's a beautiful moment in the first season, in episode 1.10 'A Hit is a Hit', where Tony tells Melfi a story about a kid who used to hang around his crew, and he had a cleft palate and a speech impediment and they would keep him around so they could make fun of him. He has a pure moment of empathy where he understands this kid's pain, because Dr. Cusamano was bringing him around so he and his friends could ask him questions about the mafia and ogle him as a curiosity. And then as he wraps up this story, and he understands the pain this kid (now man) felt, he cracks another joke about him. That's the story of Tony Soprano - it's not that he's incapable of empathy. He's very much capable of feeling the pain of others, of feeling guilt for his actions, of moral conflict with his lifestyle and his idea of being a good man, father and husband. But he can very easily shove it aside, compartmentalize it, and move on in an instant.
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