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Note: Stu is not COVID positive at this time so we managed to schedule a recording session, and we've finally made it to The Supremes as was prophesied three years ago. *pounding table* GRAND BAR GAIN. GRAND BAR GAIN!!
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Can't wait to listen to this on my ride home. This was the second most anticipated episode for me, first obviously being the election one where we learn that Jimmy Smitts fucks so good it breaks beds.
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Acinonyx posted:the election one where we learn that Jimmy Smitts fucks so good it breaks beds. I have the perfect song for the segment break when we get to that episode
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stumbled upon this thread and am enjoying the podcast! I'm working backwards from the most recent episode. I unironically enjoy the west wing and also enjoy dumping on its lovely politics I assume y'all haven't listened to the west wing weekly, and that's probably just as well, but the superfan co-host over there had a funny theory. the intern who arrives during the shutdown to collect garbage, who one of you figured might be a spy? their theory was that she's a ghost and only toby can talk to her, as apparently she doesn't interact with anyone else in her first couple episodes. and I think they cited mrs landingham's posthumous conversation with bartlet as evidence that ghosts exist in the show anyway, keep up the great work! subscribed
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pokeyman posted:stumbled upon this thread and am enjoying the podcast! I'm working backwards from the most recent episode. I unironically enjoy the west wing and also enjoy dumping on its lovely politics TY for the nice feedback. theory re: Rina Ghost would hold if the other assistants didnt notice and shun her for daring to show cleavage and uncover her legs in a professional setting
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Gunshow Poophole posted:Note: Stu is not COVID positive at this time excellent episode, btw. realllly enjoyed
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Aug 26, 2021 20:35
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"Ginsburg and Scalia are friends; ain't that cute" was definitely a thing before Scalia died. RBG being sad was definitely one of the first thoughts one of my radlib, West Wing fangirl facebook friends had after Scalia stopped breathing.
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Aug 26, 2021 22:10
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"rbg and scalia were bffs off the clock, good or bad" is the perfect centrism test
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I'm around the season four inauguration two-parter (going backwards in time), and y'all are wondering if sorkin was running on empty ideologically. sounds plausible. it's also kinda weird/sad that he couldn't put together an actual writer's room, which could've helped generate some ideas?? everything I've heard/read puts it more like it a research-and-anecdotes room. pen some memos while daddy sorkin squeezes out next week's episode in his private office must've been a weird place to work
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Aug 28, 2021 05:16
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It's explained if you watch Studio 60 (don't watch Studio 60). The writers room is a bunch of writers standing around watching the Big Brain White True Genius Man actually write the show. They are always in awe. Also, Sorkin spent his whole run of the show loving writers out of story credits/money. I'm not sure how many good writers would sign up for or stay in that sort of situation.
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I finally did watch Studio 60 after years of heeding the "it's bad" chorus it's bad though often people say it's bad because the show within the show isn't funny, except that's how I feel about SNL, so that part totally worked for me heh
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Come on now, that snl lady singing hallelujah after trump won was hilarious And also a certified Sorkin Moment
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pokeyman posted:I finally did watch Studio 60 after years of heeding the "it's bad" chorus it's interesting seeing the contrasting takes on how to treat the show within the show with 30 Rock and Studio 60. 30 Rock treated the fictional SNL stand in TGS like it was a piece of poo poo. Every time they cut to a sketch from TGS it was the dumbest poo poo you could think of, like Fart Doctor. And that was the joke, that TGS was a piece of poo poo but Liz had to keep it going anyway. Studio 60 treats its fictional SNL stand in show like it was the most important show in the entire god damned world. When they show a sketch, they try to make them look both important and funny, while succeeding at neither. There's no joke, they want you to think their fictional SNL show is really really good, but Sorkin can't write sketch comedy so it fails every time. Studio 60 failed after one season, 30 Rock got 7 seasons and a bunch of awards.
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WampaLord posted:it's interesting seeing the contrasting takes on how to treat the show within the show with 30 Rock and Studio 60. and I think they premiered within a month of each other? it's a perfect comparison Sports Night sits in between, because the people working on the sports show take their job seriously, but the show-within-a-show is an also-ran highlight reel that nobody else in that world cares about. it's not bad, it's not good, it's not globally important, it just exists to tell stories Sorkin applied the same formula four times and only got it right the first time
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also I'm disappointed that "Tommy Schlamme" hasn't been said yet on the podcast because it's such a great name
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Aug 28, 2021 21:15
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ahaha ok I got to the acknowledgement of The West Wing Weekly with its lovely recaps and endless nepotastic stories. there are some good interviews though!
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pokeyman posted:ahaha ok I got to the acknowledgement of The West Wing Weekly with its lovely recaps and endless nepotastic stories. there are some good interviews though! there are, i just got really sick of hearing "well how did you get cast on The West Wing?" "well I knew Aaron already from working with him on X" just laying bare how Hollywood success is all about who you know
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WampaLord posted:there are, i just got really sick of hearing "well how did you get cast on The West Wing?" "well I knew Aaron already from working with him on X" even that would be fair enough if it didn't go alongside a simpering "oh they're just the best". I get why people do it but ugh. talk some poo poo! at least Molina totally admits to writing desperate emails to get work, having Sorkin to thank for his entire career, and generally not giving a gently caress so long as he gets paid. I respect the honesty edit: lol you literally say the same thing minutes later. I should listen before I post! pokeyman has issued a correction as of 23:12 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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pokeyman posted:even that would be fair enough if it didn't go alongside a simpering "oh they're just the best". I get why people do it but ugh. talk some poo poo! yeah I totally respect him being like "there's no real glory in what I do, I stand around and read what other people have written down, it's not like i'm a doctor or anything" i wish more celebrities kept a degree of self awareness like that
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Aug 28, 2021 23:44
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The Return of the King came out same year as West Wing Season 5 Rohirrim challenge!
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how could y'all not mention the redeeming part of The Leadership Breakfast, ending a line with: "…we can't put a forkful of waffles in our mouth without coughing up the ball." that's some god-tier mixing of metaphors
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https://twitter.com/futurehasbeen/status/1435669765150834689?s=21
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sorry for the delay do NOT watch this one i'm tired
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Gunshow Poophole posted:sorry for the delay Don't worry, I'm not watching ANY of these again. Except for maybe the one where he slaps a giant solar panel the size of nevada on the map. or the one where CJ gets a present because she's tall. My recoloection of west wing episodes is weird.
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ha ha y'all watched Access
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Gunshow Poophole posted:sorry for the delay https://www.stitcher.com/show/behind-the-bastards/episode/part-one-the-slavery-loving-fascist-who-built-modern-japan-86958933 https://www.stitcher.com/show/behind-the-bastards/episode/part-two-the-slavery-loving-fascist-who-built-modern-japan-86988946 https://www.stitcher.com/show/behind-the-bastards/episode/part-three-the-slavery-loving-fascist-who-built-modern-japan-87016357
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NGDBSS posted:It's funny that you two mentioned the Hagerty Incident on this episode, because Behind the Bastards just did a three-part segment on the other side of that whole mess. TLDR: an unreconstructed fascist was Prime Minister at the time (sponsored by the CIA, naturally) and he was being so nakedly authoritarian that large portions of the country rose up in protest against him. Hagerty was just part of the diplomatic crossfire. Links: holy poo poo! thanks for hte background on this I'm super interested. I had a memory of Hagerty from my USAP professor in high school having some sorta personal connection to him... of which I recall no details.
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also I have a shamefully positive review of at least one of our latest two episodes. There's some drama which is actually preeeeetty well crafted in the second episode we touch on today. You just have to wade through the garbage about neoliberal orthodoxy beforehand. I'm sorry. ANTHRAX ZOOM ENHANCE
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good ep! I can't believe I skipped No Exit on my rewatch! it doesn't deserve my consigning it to the trash bin with most of season 5. I've always been confused by Talking Points. even as a liberal dipshit teenager, I didn't understand why they acted like they were up against some unstoppable force. hell, Josh alone could probably come up with a dozen ways to scuttle the bill, and probably a couple ways to give his union supporters a break. The Stackhouse Filibuster is a funny comparison here, where they told everyone that a bill's passage was inevitable so they could leave early on a Friday, then the second they have a change of heart it's trivial to change the bill. it's only now occurring to me that maybe Sorkin made Bartlet an economist so that anytime the subject comes up he could have Bartlet basically say "gently caress you it's economics wanna fight about it?" while petting his Nobel prize. never mind that exactly zero of his "smart people who disagree with me" staff have ever wanna fight about it. is "Ron Butterman" a reference passing me by or just a frequent brain fart? (the head secret service guy is Ron Butterfield)
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pokeyman posted:is "Ron Butterman" a reference passing me by or just a frequent brain fart? (the head secret service guy is Ron Butterfield) I think that's just me being high and thinking that Butterman is a much funnier name than Butterfield. I get a lot of names wrong. And you make a great point about Josh not actually DOING anything about the bill despite the power the show constantly tells us he has. Guess he's fine with being used after all. Thanks for your comments, glad you enjoyed the episode!
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WampaLord posted:I think that's just me being high and thinking that Butterman is a much funnier name than Butterfield. I get a lot of names wrong. I mean you're not wrong, I grin every time you say it
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Greetings, not to post self importantly here but between the two of us we have some employment situations that are both good but throwing our schedules for a loop as we reset our brains to the new routine Next ep, season 5 finale arc, will be further delayed due to these developments I hope everyone has similar good times happening in this, the best working man's labor market in a generation
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Grats on the jobs.
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Hell yea, goon success stories. The system works!
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yikes, it's been a while We did it fam! We beat Season 5! I was fightin a cold (not COVID) while we were recording so please forgive a bit of weird/bad mic discipline, sorry if you have auditory triggers etc Onwards dear friends once more, into the content mines
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eyy congrats on positive employment scenarios and on nearly getting through the worst of the west wing! I like the idea of Leo taking Josh off the board with "go see Donna" but I think that's total headcanon. with Josh 100% on board, why would Leo care if he's around? would've been a cool plot point though it doesn't counter the downright vile things that get said by others, but it's interesting that they put Kate, by far the most competent (and least politically loyal (she votes Republican in season 7)) person in the room, on the pro-Palestinian side. and speaking of vile things, y'all didn't bring it up so maybe I'm thinking of a different episode, but doesn't Will get some pretty nasty lines? I remember it being weird to drag him out of hiding just to explain how Palestinians are subhuman
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is the beginning of season 6 not when they have the summit and broker peace between Palestine and Israel? it happens at some point. it might also be the only thing the Bartlett administration ever actually accomplished in-universe as a clean win. Leo’s death deprived us of President Alan Alda and ruptured the West Wing / Canadian Bacon timeline, because the writers then had to give the win to Smitts out of sympathy.
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pokeyman posted:
not as I recall, although Will Bailey soundsl ike the teacher from Peanuts when he talks while I'm watching so I am not a reliable judge. nor will I rewatch these episodes! Tewdrig posted:is the beginning of season 6 not when they have the summit and broker peace between Palestine and Israel? it happens at some point. it might also be the only thing the Bartlett administration ever actually accomplished in-universe as a clean win. iirc yes it gets weirder and weirder as the Non-9/11 Timeline diverges, and this is my conspiracy-brained idea of why the show got cancelled. it became more unrecognizable as the pivot point of the entire Western Universe was just elided entirely from the canon
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Tewdrig posted:is the beginning of season 6 not when they have the summit and broker peace between Palestine and Israel? it happens at some point. it might also be the only thing the Bartlett administration ever actually accomplished in-universe as a clean win. yep first couple episodes of season 6 are I-P summit (and they are dire) Gunshow Poophole posted:not as I recall, although Will Bailey soundsl ike the teacher from Peanuts when he talks while I'm watching so I am not a reliable judge. nor will I rewatch these episodes! I must be thinking of another episode. I remember him swooping in from nowhere to be a huge piece of poo poo at some point quote:it gets weirder and weirder as the Non-9/11 Timeline diverges, and this is my conspiracy-brained idea of why the show got cancelled. it became more unrecognizable as the pivot point of the entire Western Universe was just elided entirely from the canon Leo's always been a hawk but his turn towards "gently caress you never compromise" comes outta nowhere in the show universe. it makes way more sense if you assume the writers took that common wrong turn after 9/11 and needed an outlet
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