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Applewhite posted:1000% chance someone in the writer’s room of Picard/Disco has suggested incorporating fighter craft into Star Trek. Season 2 finale of Discovery: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tactical_flyer Never mentioned or seen before that episode. Never mentioned or seen since. 
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Nothing about space fighting makes any sense in Star Trek so why not fighters?
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Aug 28, 2021 04:53
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Hollismason posted:What the gently caress Neelix had a goddamn family this whole loving time and chose to stay on Voyager He had to look after a young child, ok. End of story. Nothing weird about it.
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Aug 28, 2021 05:27
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his kids had all grown up
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Aug 28, 2021 05:30
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Mulaney Power Move posted:well they should have been full of fighters during the war. modify the shuttles or something. they were constantly outnumbered. They literally do this for the big space battle at the end of Disco season 2, with Enterprise and Discovery pumping out a stupid amount of shuttles and one-man "fighter pods". It's also a really, really, stupid battle scene.
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Aug 28, 2021 05:42
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i want to see a helicopter in space...hold on getting another call from alex kurtzman all of the sudden
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Aug 28, 2021 05:46
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The Discovery has a spinny middle part so I’m gonna say he already beat you to it
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Aug 28, 2021 05:49
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Endless Trash posted:The Discovery has a spinny middle part so I’m gonna say he already beat you to it If the middle part stops spinning the ship glides towards the nearest gravity well.
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Aug 28, 2021 05:54
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sweet geek swag posted:Those ships the Borg Cube destroyed approaching Earth in Best of Both Worlds were fighter sized. Which part are you referencing here because the ships at wolf 359 were all full starships.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:07
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Applewhite posted:1000% chance someone in the writer’s room of Picard/Disco has suggested incorporating fighter craft into Star Trek. shuttlecrafts? Rent-A-Cop posted:Nothing about space fighting makes any sense in Star Trek so why not fighters? yeah
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Aug 28, 2021 07:51
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CainFortea posted:Which part are you referencing here because the ships at wolf 359 were all full starships. They're the two dinky little pods that intercepted the cube when it entered the solar system.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:55
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fighters don't make sense in trek because targeting with phasers is always 100% accurate. even if they were somehow threats to larger ships, they'd still get instantly popped like balloons. as odd as it sounds, they would have to be like in beyond, which featured a massive all-encompassing swarm of tiny ships.
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Aug 28, 2021 08:40
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still, i can see why they'd want to jazz things up a bit from tng where space ship fights were almost always simply trading shots until one side went down.
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Aug 28, 2021 08:41
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:fighters don't make sense in trek because targeting with phasers is always 100% accurate. even if they were somehow threats to larger ships, they'd still get instantly popped like balloons. as odd as it sounds, they would have to be like in beyond, which featured a massive all-encompassing swarm of tiny ships. I'd assume it'd take the Defiant to the next logical conclusion; scaling down to a one-man craft that's just all engine, shields and weapons. Runabouts can eat a hit or two from capital ship phasers, and if you cut out all the science equipment, living quarters, transporter, etc, you probably have a fair amount of surplus power to play with for a one/two man craft.
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Aug 28, 2021 09:12
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Everything we've seen on screen seems to imply that a Klingon Bird of Prey is about as small as you can optimally get, below that you're just too weak to survive and play a meaningful role. Runabouts can take maybe one or two hits and lightly tickle a big ship with their phasers and microtorpedoes.Meredith Baxter-Burnout posted:Legit felt bad for them but loving lol that they were they entirety of earth's defenses. Just assume they were the last of many. (It was a pretty distant shot, they really should've filled space behind the cube with just-visible tiny glitters of debris to imply they'd been carving their way through a massive number of them) I don't know if we ever get much of a scale on those things, they could be anywhere from defiant sized to unmanned smart missiles. Arc Hammer posted:The "fighters" that were used in DS9 were those light patrol ships that the Maquis used a lot. They got slaughtered whenever they showed up in fleet battles. Yeah, we saw them once in a fleet battle in sacrifice of angels briefly and that was it. Before that they were little ships used to harrass/escort freighters and things. Rent-A-Cop posted:Nothing about space fighting makes any sense in Star Trek so why not fighters? Bacause it's structured as WWII naval battles not WWII dogfight battles. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Aug 28, 2021 09:28
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Huh apparently they did do something like that with trying to imply more ships too far too see clearly but decided not to use it because it just looked like invisible ships. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXkotQQ4vB0
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Aug 28, 2021 09:41
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What was Nova Squadron flying when they tried the Kolvoord Starburst? Those always looked like fighters as opposed to shuttle craft, which was confusing at the time since we never see fighters. Weird.
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Aug 28, 2021 16:37
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They were like space stunt planes, I think.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:03
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why did the borg need to stop at wolf 359 to fight the fleet? what did they need to break through the mars defense perimeter for? it's not like, the allies had to go through france to get to germany. it's space.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:13
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Why did the borg need to go back in time AT Earth in First Contact? Why not go back in time somewhere along the long rear end journey when they had zero resistance?
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Aug 28, 2021 17:21
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Zesty posted:Why did the borg need to go back in time AT Earth in First Contact? Why not go back in time somewhere along the long rear end journey when they had zero resistance? Too many potential tangents. First Contact means zero Starfleet creativity and no capable resistance. If they went back to say, Encounter at Farpoint then it's realistically no different than what happens a few years later occurring early.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:26
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Wolf 359 in my head represented a momentary breakthrough against the Borg, where the Fleet was able to affect a collapse of the transwarp conduit in order to force a confrontation outside 001. The Borg dropped out of transwarp hard, got swarmed by Feds on all sides, then swept the area, fixed itself up, and carried on. Nothing in the text suggests this, I just imagine things
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Aug 28, 2021 17:27
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Too many potential tangents. First Contact means zero Starfleet creativity and no capable resistance. If they went back to say, Encounter at Farpoint then it's realistically no different than what happens a few years later occurring early. what? No, physically at Earth. Why not go back in time 1000 LY away where no one could stop them and then travel 1000 LYs to 2060's Earth?
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Aug 28, 2021 17:38
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Too many potential tangents. First Contact means zero Starfleet creativity and no capable resistance. If they went back to say, Encounter at Farpoint then it's realistically no different than what happens a few years later occurring early. Go back in time before you leave home. And if you have travel time, go back that much further.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:38
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they were using picard's knowledge to inform their tactics and strategies MikeJF posted:Bacause it's structured as WWII naval battles not WWII dogfight battles. that doesn't make sense, if anything that would mean tons of fighters, dive bombers, torpedo planes...
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Aug 28, 2021 17:43
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I don't see anything in Federation ethics or technology that would prevent turning Earth's moon into a fuckoff big orbital defense platform. You could have a standing policy that all ships must enter orbit around the moon with shields down and get scanned and ok'd before they're allowed to orbit earth or transport or send anything there. You don't need engines, so you just make the largest antimatter reactor(s) physics will allow coupled to giant shield generators and phaser banks and photon torpedo batteries. The defenses would have been started back during the first interstellar war Earth found itself in, then improved and added to during every major war since. You'd have concealed underground mass drivers evenly distributed around its equator. Ancient solar-powered chemical lasers at the poles, left over from asteroid deflection in the pre-warp era. Nuclear-tipped missiles but only on the dark side of the moon so the previous non-planetary governments couldn't threaten each other with them. The moon has no natives or flora and fauna and and as long as the changes aren't too visible from Earth with the naked eye no one will NIMBY anything. Starfleet could go hog wild underground building in secret. You'd also need a corresponding stationary platform in the Lagrange point on the other side of earth to allow for line-of-sight. This would end up being an ugly monstrosity as it was added to and modified and expanded over the years. I'm getting really into this, I should write up my Federation HQ defense-in-depth plan somewhere else and link it
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Aug 28, 2021 17:44
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Zesty posted:what? and what is up with soran's space rocket? it breaks through the atmosphere and blows up the sun in like 10 seconds? what is this, wiley e coyote logic?
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Aug 28, 2021 17:45
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Zesty posted:what? It would be great if they went back to the 1960s and got stopped by the TOS crew doing their own time travel shenanigans and just happening upon the Borg in the 60s in space
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Aug 28, 2021 17:51
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Uncle Enzo posted:I don't see anything in Federation ethics or technology that would prevent turning Earth's moon into a fuckoff big orbital defense platform. You could have a standing policy that all ships must enter orbit around the moon with shields down and get scanned and ok'd before they're allowed to orbit earth or transport or send anything there. Reminding me of one of the Man-Kzin Wars stories where a Kzinti soldier has PTSD over seeing Sol system's peaceful solar power transmission lasers filling the void of space when used as weapons against their fleet.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:54
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A tiny ship that would make sense in Star Trek would be cloaked infiltration, mining and boarding pods. When a ship is distracted by a major fight and its shields and sensors are all over the place, a couple of these try and slip through during the shield modulation intervals. Then they land a boarding party or plant a mine or even just do an ultra low power scan and leave the same way they came in. Kind of like how infantry is really dangerous to a tank if they can get up close to it where it's weapons can't hit them.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:55
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:fighters don't make sense in trek because targeting with phasers is always 100% accurate. even if they were somehow threats to larger ships, they'd still get instantly popped like balloons. as odd as it sounds, they would have to be like in beyond, which featured a massive all-encompassing swarm of tiny ships. Phasers miss all the time in the shows though. Also, fighters would still make sense because they can deliver a heavy payload for a smaller risk. If each runabout has 4 torpedos they can salvo in a few seconds, and you have 10 runabouts, that's a lot more torpedos than even a galaxy class can spit out in the same timeframe, for a much smaller investment in materiel.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:25
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What they really need is something like the Pods in Thunderbirds Are Go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY4Zmv7-AtE Just a simple standardized one-man craft they can replicate parts onto to do Science Stuff or Combat Stuff with.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:31
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Uncle Enzo posted:
All the folks living in Tycho City, New Berlin and Lake Armstrong(?) might raise a fuss.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:36
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they should create space trebuchets that hurl asteroids
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Aug 28, 2021 18:51
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The General posted:Go back in time before you leave home. And if you have travel time, go back that much further. They didn't decide to go back in time until they were exploding. They wanted to assimilate the Federation. Being stopped twice changed the equation: once might be a fluke, but twice was a pattern, since we're here already and have 0.448 seconds until we finish exploding we may as well launch a sphere to do a time thing to get rid of them as a potential threat. Then that failed for unknown reasons so for now they're just biding their time a bit. If I were doing the effects these days with computers I'd totally make it so instead of launching a sphere the cube kind of extrudes a sphere out of its own structure.
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Aug 28, 2021 19:54
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Mulaney Power Move posted:they should create space trebuchets that hurl asteroids If we don't do it the bugs will.
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Aug 28, 2021 19:58
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going back in time was a fear response when they were confronted with such a strong manly action star who rides dune buggies.
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Aug 28, 2021 20:13
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd assume it'd take the Defiant to the next logical conclusion; scaling down to a one-man craft that's just all engine, shields and weapons. Runabouts can eat a hit or two from capital ship phasers, and if you cut out all the science equipment, living quarters, transporter, etc, you probably have a fair amount of surplus power to play with for a one/two man craft. But you'd have even more surplus power if they were unmanned drones. More power, more maneuverability, and completely expendable. If you have a tiny expendable ship a live pilot doesn't add much (anything?) compared to an automated targeting system. Unless they tried that and the drones kept becoming sapient and loving off.
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Aug 28, 2021 20:32
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I just finished my Voyager watch and it was fine I guess. Kind of ended rather abruptly.
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Facebook Aunt posted:But you'd have even more surplus power if they were unmanned drones. More power, more maneuverability, and completely expendable. If you have a tiny expendable ship a live pilot doesn't add much (anything?) compared to an automated targeting system. I think that's just a photon torpedo.
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