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Halloween Jack posted:I think that when you turn various kinds of deathmatch into an event that just happens every October or December or whenever, it necessarily waters it down. Like, the Elimination Chamber makes sense as a concept because there's something for 6 guys to fight over, but why are two guys having a ladder match just because this is the month when we do that? Don't reverse-engineer the grudge to suit the grudge match in such a contrived way, is my opinion. I was going to say War Games worked okay as a mostly yearly thing but then I remembered how the later ones went and decided to not say that thing.
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I think it can work if you keep factions as a going concern. Like I think the reason Survivor Series is nowhere near as important within its own PPV as it used to be is because WWF/E doesn't really create a lot of teams organically so they usually have nothing more than Raw v. Smackdown which who cares.
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Aug 31, 2021 20:01
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War Games also had lower fan expectations. Like yeah, it was gonna be violent, but that doesn't quite compare to UT taking years off of Mick's life
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Aug 31, 2021 20:05
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Yeah i mean for better or for worse NXT Wargames was basically always The Undisputed Era vs Whoever Hates Them Currently which works as an idea if not always in execution. I'd have loved to see The Hurt Business do a Wargames but unfortunately it probably would have been against Retribution lol
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I mean, if a wargames match is just "your top heel quartet crew vs. various babyfaces" is that not respecting the traditions of the war james?
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oh man, I can't believe war games is another horsemen match.
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Halloween Jack posted:I think that when you turn various kinds of deathmatch into an event that just happens every October or December or whenever, it necessarily waters it down. Like, the Elimination Chamber makes sense as a concept because there's something for 6 guys to fight over, but why are two guys having a ladder match just because this is the month when we do that? Don't reverse-engineer the grudge to suit the grudge match in such a contrived way, is my opinion. It's like the Hell In A Cell match. The HIAC and WarGames matches should be reserved for conflicts that are at the point where there is, in kayfabe, no other option for resolution other than a match that takes years off of a career. Like "oh gently caress, it's gotten to this point, has it?" Putting the EC as an annual thing in February always made sense to me, as A) the last hurdle for one of the world title holders to overcome going into Mania and B) a last chance for a top contender to get a chance to have a title match at Mania. Dawgstar posted:I was going to say War Games worked okay as a mostly yearly thing but then I remembered how the later ones went and decided to not say that thing. Even the earlier ones that are quite fondly remembered were exposed a bit when that WarGames DVD was put out, and you got to watch them all one after another. The matches themselves are fine, but when they're basically the exact same match over and over again, it diminishes the concept a fair bit, IMO.
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Aug 31, 2021 21:47
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edogawa rando posted:Putting the EC as an annual thing in February always made sense to me, as A) the last hurdle for one of the world title holders to overcome going into Mania and B) a last chance for a top contender to get a chance to have a title match at Mania. agree with this. The big gently caress off complicated gimmick match is easily readable as Royal Rumble II, way more so than it being War Games II. edogawa rando posted:Even the earlier ones that are quite fondly remembered were exposed a bit when that WarGames DVD was put out, and you got to watch them all one after another. The matches themselves are fine, but when they're basically the exact same match over and over again, it diminishes the concept a fair bit, IMO. disagree with this. the matches being the same is fine, because only weirdos are watching the match back-to-back-to-back enough to care that they are the same every time. If a formula is cool and works, doing something different is bad.
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is trevor murdoch seriously the nwa world champion lololololol
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I mean, better him than Nick Aldis.
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karmicknight posted:I mean, better him than Nick Aldis. like, as people? did aldis get metooed? as wrestlers... ehhh
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El Generico posted:like, as people? did aldis get metooed? as wrestlers... ehhh trevor is a much better wrestler than aldis.
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Wasn't Aldis paired with Doug fuckin' Williams in TNA and the Anarchist only managed to drag him to 'acceptable' in a tag team?
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Gaz-L posted:Wasn't Aldis paired with Doug fuckin' Williams in TNA and the Anarchist only managed to drag him to 'acceptable' in a tag team? Doug Williams, Nick Aldis (as BRUTUS MAGNUS or later just Magnus) and Rob Terry were The British Invasion Aldis' original gimmick was being like, a Roman gladiator for some reason, presumably because Russo rewatched Gladiator at some point in the recent past and was struck with inspiration
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Wasn't it because Russo knew he was doing the UK Gladiators revival.
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was there a TNA live thread when Steiner cut his maths promo?
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karmicknight posted:Wasn't it because Russo knew he was doing the UK Gladiators revival. that would make a lot of sense, yeah
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karmicknight posted:agree with this. yeah, and like a focused Rumble, a number one contender's tournament inside of one match, something like that. the six-man match format also lets somebody on the periphery of the main event scene scrape in -- remember the year where they Pushed Cesaro and he knocked the loving house down in the Elimination Chamber? Good times. the best-bad thing about Hell in a Cell is seeing one of the tables gimmicked up with a huge balloon to take the Inevitable Bump Off the Cell.
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Seams posted:was there a TNA live thread when Steiner cut his maths promo? e: Saints Crow posted:Aww, it's sad that that horrible one is fake, because now I feel like a fool for trying to outdo it with this. Coaaab fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Sep 1, 2021 |
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edogawa rando posted:Even the earlier ones that are quite fondly remembered were exposed a bit when that WarGames DVD was put out, and you got to watch them all one after another. The matches themselves are fine, but when they're basically the exact same match over and over again, it diminishes the concept a fair bit, IMO. No, you're just eating chocolate chip cookie ice cream for like an entire week for your only meal when you do that. Doesn't make it bad.
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edogawa rando posted:It's like the Hell In A Cell match. The HIAC and WarGames matches should be reserved for conflicts that are at the point where there is, in kayfabe, no other option for resolution other than a match that takes years off of a career. Like "oh gently caress, it's gotten to this point, has it?" HIAC matches in the first ever official HIAC PPV: - Undertaker squashing CM Punk because Punk refused to wear a suit backstage as champ or whatever - Orton/Cena in what wasn't even the blowoff to the feud - loving 2009 DX
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harperdc posted:yeah, and like a focused Rumble, a number one contender's tournament inside of one match, something like that. the six-man match format also lets somebody on the periphery of the main event scene scrape in -- remember the year where they Pushed Cesaro and he knocked the loving house down in the Elimination Chamber? Good times. Lukewarm take: the only reason the crash pads around the Hell In A Cell were bad was because WWE already made falling off the cell completely meaningless by that point. If it's a safety feature to let people do a cool stunt, then you laugh about it for five minutes and it's fine because you don't have to worry about someone's spine turning to dust when they land.
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D.N. Nation posted:HIAC matches in the first ever official HIAC PPV: It always blows my mind that "CM Punk vs Undertaker in HIAC for the World Heavyweight Championship" happened, and it was a 10-minute curtain jerk match lmao
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If you're going to have a regular recurring gimmick match, it needs to be one where the match is the story and has space for a bunch of people can be involved and do their own thing. Battle royals and multi man ladder matches work great for this because there can be competition to get in them, you can stagger the announcement of who is in the match, and there's room for surprises. They're the start of stories. A cell match or a cage match is a poor choice because they're the culmination or escalation of a feud, and come across as hokey if you're having that match just because it's that time of year.
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this has been settled law for 15 years at minimum
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If they're not going to use it as the feud-ending stip and need to base a PPV around it, then the cell should be down for the entire card. Don't just make it an attraction, make everyone wrestle in it.
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At this point I don't know what they have to lose by just giving up all pretense of reality and having everyone wrestle in the Cell and the winner gets to eat the dust in The Undertaker's urn and gain the power to do the Tombstone Piledriver or whatever.
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sticklefifer posted:If they're not going to use it as the feud-ending stip and need to base a PPV around it, then the cell should be down for the entire card. Don't just make it an attraction, make everyone wrestle in it. Worked for TNA. Supposedly Lockdown was consistently one of their most watched PPVs every year.
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I want dumber theme ppvs. Make three feuds a year suddenly have to cram in an ambulance match for WWE Ambulance Armageddon
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projecthalaxy posted:I want dumber theme ppvs. Make three feuds a year suddenly have to cram in an ambulance match for WWE Ambulance Armageddon The absolute last time NXT was good was last October when they did a pastiche of Halloween Havoc and whole heartedly leaned into the camp right down to Shotzi Blackheart cackling while saying SPIN THE WHEEL MAKE A DEAL
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Halloween Jack posted:At this point I don't know what they have to lose by just giving up all pretense of reality and having everyone wrestle in the Cell and the winner gets to eat the dust in The Undertaker's urn and gain the power to do the Tombstone Piledriver or whatever. WWE going 100% Lucha Underground cinematic plot might actually make me watch it. They already ripped off the possessed doll from the Ricky Mundo angle, but it's dumb in WWE because nothing else in the fed is presented that way. I want the main event roster to all be vessels for dark gods, and midcarders to die and get repackaged and have their souls rescued through time travel.
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sticklefifer posted:WWE going 100% Lucha Underground cinematic plot might actually make me watch it. They already ripped off the possessed doll from the Ricky Mundo angle, but it's dumb in WWE because nothing else in the fed is presented that way. I want the main event roster to all be vessels for dark gods, and midcarders to die and get repackaged and have their souls rescued through time travel. Sadly I doubt anything would be as cool as Mil Muertes The Man of a Thousand Deaths sitting on his throne like he’s Shao Khan ever again.
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Dawgstar posted:Sadly I doubt anything would be as cool as Mil Muertes The Man of a Thousand Deaths sitting on his throne like he’s Shao Khan ever again. Mil Muertes being the coolest Shao Kahn pastiche in wrestling is just another humiliation for loser Hunter.
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sticklefifer posted:WWE going 100% Lucha Underground cinematic plot might actually make me watch it. I agree, it'd be awesome if WWE lost a shitload of money and went out of business in 4 years
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I watched the Jumbo/Tenryu TC match in 1989/06/05 and loved it. Any further match recs for Jumbo or Tenryu?
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Lily Catts posted:I watched the Jumbo/Tenryu TC match in 1989/06/05 and loved it. Any further match recs for Jumbo or Tenryu? So, I'm a massive Kojima fan & would be remiss if I didn't recommend Tenryu vs Kojima for the Triple Crown, 17/7/02. Another of his All Japan return matches worth watching, 8/6/01 vs Keiji Mutoh, Mutoh's 4th ever match in AJPW. 11/9/96, Tenryu vs Nobuhiko Takada, if you enjoy shootstyle at all, well, enjoy. 11/2/06, Kensuke Sasaki & Kenta Kobashi vs Genichiro Tenryu & Katsuhiko Nakajima, Nakajima would be a month shy of his 18th birthday. There's also a couple Tenryu vs Hashimoto matches worth watching, one from 93 in WAR & the other 98 NJPW. And as curiosities, Tenryu vs Macho Man Randy Savage is a fun match, & Tenryu was also an entrant in both the 1993 & 1994 Royal Rumbles, where he doesn't do much but it's funny as a novelty. There's probably more '80s AJPW stuff that's well worth tracking down but I have not seen much of that.
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Lily Catts posted:I watched the Jumbo/Tenryu TC match in 1989/06/05 and loved it. Any further match recs for Jumbo or Tenryu? Tsuruta-Misawa, June 1990, the match that made Misawa. There's a couple Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi vs Tsuruta/Fuchi/Taue six-mans from the early 90s that were great but that singles match is the top-of-mind for "gently caress, Jumbo Tsuruta, man"
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Who is RJ City? I always see stuff from him being retweeted but I never hear about him wrestling and google doesn’t help explain why he has such a high profile.
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comic wrestler guy mostly known for working with david arquette when he did his big indie wrestling comeback
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