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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Pretty sure they can spare someone to go lower a flag, it takes a minute.

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Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
Niece caught covid at Reading Festival. Was around my parents on Wednesday for a family take away that I was too lazy to go to.
Now crazy sister who won't get vaxed and is visiting isn't allowed to leave for 10 days while everyone else in the family can carry on.

I'm a mixture of incredibly smug that my sisters selfishness has bitten her in the arse and still slightly concerned for my parents, they are vaccinated but they are both in their 70s and not in the best of health.

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Brave solider lowers the last remaining flag to half mast 9 minutes and 58 seconds after the Queen dies, thus preventing a new civil war.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Daniel Craig returns as Colonel Flag Shagger

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Johnson goes up on the roof to try and lower the flag and gets trapped, thus boosting the nations spirits

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Daniel Craig returns as Colonel Flag Shagger

James Bond will return in Flagfall.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Ghost Leviathan posted:

A lot of those vehicles really bring to mind how the whole definition of 'car' legally has fringes.

Reminded of that Top Gear episode where they try out a ton of vintage vehicles to try to find out who was the first to have what would become the standard manual control scheme, with three pedals and a gearstick. Quite a few had very weird controls. (the Model T being no exception) And one of them actually had a setup that would become standard for quadbikes.

I have driven Model Ts a couple of times, and the thing that makes them a complete mindfuck is that they have three pedals, a lever that looks like a handbrake and two stalks behind the steering wheel but none of them do what they would do in a modern (post-1920s) car.

The 'handbrake' is actually a combined parking brake and (sort of) clutch. Pull it all the way back and it's a parking brake. Put it to the middle and it's as close as a Model T can be to being neutral.

To make the thing move you have to push down on the left pedal, which is partly a clutch pedal that works backwards to a normal one and partly a way of engaging first gear. To get into second (top) you have to put the gear/clutch/brake lever all the way forwards, then you come off the left pedal and that engages second gear. The middle pedal is what engages reverse (so long as the lever-thing is in the mid position) and the right pedal is a transmission brake. The stalks behind the wheel are your ignition timing and throttle controls.

Given that the Model T was conceived when everything about car design was very much up in the air and it was intended for people who had never driven a car before, it makes a certain amount of sense. It's basically a modern automatic transmission but not automated - it's all epicyclic gears and band brakes. So once you've got it all sussed you never miss a gearchange, you can't grind the gears and you don't have to master biting points or clutch control.

As a modern driver it's much more confusing. I found I got the hang of it quite quickly...until something unexpected happens and you revert to muscle memory. Then you end up trying to put it into first and reverse gear simultaneously and the man from Ford Heritage gives you angry looks.

BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Sep 3, 2021

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
It does own that the Tories leaned so hard into nationalist signifier bullshit like millimetric measurement of flags, and now they're scared of reaping the consequences

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I thought the whole point of a codeword, even if everyone knows what it is, was to give everyone time to prepare.

Like "big bridge fell over 😢" gets whatsapped out to everyone and then they have some time to stop doing lines in the toilets and pick someone to send up to the roof, so that by the time someone (I assume in a delightfully unusual uniform and hat) strides to the palace gates to announce "The Queen is Dead" there's someone already in place.

I'm sure someone will manage to balls it up somewhere though, even with all the 10 minutes and flag widths and that being matters of convention.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Makes me wonder if this is some kind of limited hangout situation, and there's actual a different supersecret codeword they haven't revealed. But also like, why bother

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BalloonFish posted:

I have driven Model Ts a couple of times, and the thing that makes them a complete mindfuck is that they have three pedals, a lever that looks like a handbrake and two stalks behind the steering wheel but none of them do what they would do in a modern (post-1920s) car.

And that just makes me imagine what it must have been like to go the other way around.

I do hear that Model Ts show up a lot in early silent films because at that point they were easily available cheap old beaters, and their controls made them good stunt cars.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


​John McTernan (that's Blair's former Political Secretary) is the latest addition to the guilt by association club.

https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/1433750987823587328?s=20

These days, if you say Novara Media are reasonable people and TWT "looks interesting" you're arrested and thrown in jail an antisemite.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

kecske posted:

what the gently caress

Oh, FFS. It was understandable when there wasn't one for Phillip, but for the Queen I think we should get one. Better get one for the coronation then.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

Were there ever any that were operated like the Cessna/light aircraft layout, where engine speed and braking is by hand and you steer (on the ground) with your feet?

I imagine it'd be a complete pain on the roads but that never stopped any of the other horseless carriage designs.

I think there is at least one tank (possibly the T34?) that has no steering at all, and instead you have differential brakes on the tracks. To make the tank turn left you put your foot down on the accelerator and then haul on the left brake to make it drift left. This was easier than setting up a differential drive system.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

sebzilla posted:

​John McTernan (that's Blair's former Political Secretary) is the latest addition to the guilt by association club.

https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/1433750987823587328?s=20

These days, if you say Novara Media are reasonable people and TWT "looks interesting" you're arrested and thrown in jail an antisemite.



Lmao the Labour right started this train rolling and now it’s running away and everyone is in it’s path, hilarious

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

sebzilla posted:

​John McTernan (that's Blair's former Political Secretary) is the latest addition to the guilt by association club.

https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/1433750987823587328?s=20

These days, if you say Novara Media are reasonable people and TWT "looks interesting" you're arrested and thrown in jail an antisemite.



Signed on to twitter to respond to that rabbi guy but after typing and not posting 300 comments had to sign out, uncommented, for the benefit of my blood pressure.

Noxville posted:

Lmao the Labour right started this train rolling and now it’s running away and everyone is in it’s path, hilarious

Like the tale of the scorpion and the frog.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Sep 3, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

I think there is at least one tank (possibly the T34?) that has no steering at all, and instead you have differential brakes on the tracks. To make the tank turn left you put your foot down on the accelerator and then haul on the left brake to make it drift left. This was easier than setting up a differential drive system.

That was the majority of (internal-combustion[1]) tracked vehicles up to and through WW2, and is how even most modern tanks run[2]. It's actually really, really hard to set up a system to allow one track to reverse, and many of the WW2-era solutions were incredibly hard to use and maintain - stuff like having two gearboxes that had to be run simultaneously by the driver, manual reversers which took 10 or 15 seconds to drop in and out, leaving the tank paralysed while they did so, or weird planetary gearsets that detonate if you pull the wrong lever at the wrong time.

Even today, most of the time, tracked vehicles are just steered that way in the majority of cases because it's much less wearing on the tracks and gearboxes to do so - that's why diggers and other heavy equipment still have turrets despite theoretically being able to turn in their own footprint, it's just cheaper and easier to do it that way despite the addidional weight and complexity. . Some lighter vehicles can actually bend the track somewhat and so can be steered like a car, but that's more for crew comfort and to not tear up roads than anything else.

[1] The very first tracked vehicles were steam-driven and so could be run backwards and forwards directly, and the British and Germans both experimented with hydraulic piston-driven tracks to try and replicate this but again complexity and difficulty to maintain killed that off. [2] Most modern tanks use hydraulic torque converters which can't be instantly reversed - it takes a second or two - but the relative reliability more than makes up for it. The Yanks had one that used electric motors but if there's one thing that has a less-fun failure mode than high-pressure hydraulic fluid it's high-current electricity.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think I saw a youtube video of an old steam lorry design that reversed by literally just fiddling with the valve on the steam engine to reverse the piston direction.
E:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFKa8K9qZBQ

(good fun youtube channel if you like cars, also runs a general mechanics/woodwork channel)

(I think my favourite bit is tensioning the drive chain by moving the entire rear axle backwards)

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Sep 3, 2021

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008
A robust and independent disciplinary system:

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1433787067461472258?s=19

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

I think I saw a youtube video of an old steam lorry design that reversed by literally just fiddling with the valve on the steam engine to reverse the piston direction.
E:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFKa8K9qZBQ

(good fun youtube channel if you like cars, also runs a general mechanics/woodwork channel)

(I think my favourite bit is tensioning the drive chain by moving the entire rear axle backwards)

Yeah, that's how most steam engines work - running backwards is just a matter of reversing the valve timing so it can be done with a simple valve. For stuff like locomotives you turned that into a linear control so you could fine-tune the valve timing for high-speed running.

Fun fact - the ease of doing this means that early steam locos and even road rollers only had a screw-brake (fnarr), basically like a handbrake to hold it in place when parked, you just chucked it in reverse when you wanted to slow down.

e: There is, of course, a Tom Scott video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3woUopc1ZS4

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Sep 3, 2021

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

What a shame the Women's PLP didn't stick up for Diane Abbott following the sheer amount of abuse she gets including from Jess 'I told DA to F Off' Flaps.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The invasion of Iraq was a dead cat to distract us from the true atrocity that Blair committed in 2003, recalling and scrapping every last Invacar rather than letting owners and collectors keep them.

there's the odd one about, this bloke has some great videos with his

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaSeo0D0nDs

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
but yeah what a pointless and poo poo thing to do

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
welp looks like we gave all the vaccines to the boomers, kids get nowt.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1433804389408444429

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Huh we're already vaccinating people 12-18 here and thinking of younger ages. Also a new finnish vaccine on the way as a nasal spray.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Yesss, children of men speedrun here we fuckin gooo

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
going to love it in about 10 years when they discover covid gives you lung cancer or something

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

We're mass-vaccinating over 12s in Canada too.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's heart disease and we already know.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
Cases have been shooting up in Scotland since their schools opened. Brace for impact

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Guavanaut posted:

It's heart disease and we already know.

oh yeah i forgot that it gave you heart disease :suicide:

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

keep punching joe posted:

welp looks like we gave all the vaccines to the boomers, kids get nowt.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1433804389408444429

Well hold on a minute, if we are holding off vaccinating the kids and instead giving these much needed vaccinations to nations desperate for them then..... they arnt doing that are they?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's only in about 40% of mild-moderate cases as far as we know, so it's only slightly worse for your ticker than smoking for decades.

Only nobody ever said "I don't normally want a covid but I'll have a few if I'm out for a drink"

No wait, everyone packing into the pubs on the last day before lockdown and the first day after said that too :suicide:

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The invasion of Iraq was a dead cat to distract us from the true atrocity that Blair committed in 2003, recalling and scrapping every last Invacar rather than letting owners and collectors keep them.



:tipshat:

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
My Dad had a three wheeler in the early 70s because he already had a motobike licence and you didn't actually need to be licenced for a car to drive one.

He then parlayed his motorbike licence into a full yemeni drivers license because he needed to drive trucks while he was working there, and then when he moved back to the UK he was able to use his yemeni licence to get a full british drivers licence without ever actually taking a driving test.

It's an extremely boomer story.

I think they changed the rules eventually and he did have to do a proper driving test, which he is still bitter about.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Specialist in Messerschmitts and Heinkels over London, featured in the Daily Mail, recently operating under a new name.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

My Dad had a three wheeler in the early 70s because he already had a motobike licence and you didn't actually need to be licenced for a car to drive one.

He then parlayed his motorbike licence into a full yemeni drivers license because he needed to drive trucks while he was working there, and then when he moved back to the UK he was able to use his yemeni licence to get a full british drivers licence without ever actually taking a driving test.

It's an extremely boomer story.

I think they changed the rules eventually and he did have to do a proper driving test, which he is still bitter about.

That's wild. I was surprised to learn that I can drive an 11t truck or towed vehicle combination (with a towed vehicle up to 4.6t) on a standard license in Canada. I've just checked and yeah, I can't translate that to getting a higher class of license if I come back to the UK, and in fact, even if I had an actual truck/bus license from Canada, I'd need to take a new one in the UK:

"I Have a Large Truck / Bus License from Canada. Can I drive a Truck or Bus?

No. The DVLA website indicates that you must pass a driving test in Great Britain to be able to drive larger vehicle. In fact, you probably need to take a regular car license driving test as well. The DVLA site says, “Driving test candidates are required to pass a motor car (category B) test first before applying for provisional entitlement for larger vehicles.”

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1420439702923059201?s=19

Shocked, I tell you.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Now enjoying the peculiar mental image of a 7-foot tall goth wearing £600 trousers casually emerge from a beaten-up three wheeler

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Wouldn't be much weirder than the things people turn up to goth weekend in.

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