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TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Tsilkani posted:

And it was because he was kicking so many people out that people put 2 and 2 together. Even by the standards of cheating morons, Arcadum stands out as particularly dumb.

Especially since he seems to have done it as a "my wife MADE me do this, im so soree" thing

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Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Warthur posted:

I mean, I am an old man who doesn't understand VTubers but I am peripherally aware that attractive anime avatars are kind of the norm for that, but even so... nobody with a male persona? Nobody whose persona is, like, a twisted little monster or a spooky old sorceress or something?

You're not likely to find a lot of creepy monster vtuber avatars for the same reason you're not likely to find aspiring pop stars who dress as grubby coal miners: there is considerably more audience for attractive sexy ladies. (Also a lot of people, given the choice, would much rather present themselves as an attractive character than not.)

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

Short update: the Avatar kickstarter has barely ended, and Magpie has already issued me an unasked-for refund, to lock me out of the comments and make all my comments read 'this pledge has been canceled'. So, if anyone was curious as to Magpie's position on the matter, there you go.

Eastmabl
Jan 29, 2019

Tsilkani posted:

Short update: the Avatar kickstarter has barely ended, and Magpie has already issued me an unasked-for refund, to lock me out of the comments and make all my comments read 'this pledge has been canceled'. So, if anyone was curious as to Magpie's position on the matter, there you go.

Which matter is this?

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

The final stretch goal announced for the Avatar RPG Kickstarter was an AP involving, among other people, Satine Phoenix. This was a concern for a lot of people because Satine was an accomplice for noted harasser Zak S when he was using G+ and the fanbase he had built up to harass many people out of the hobby. She has never apologized for any of this, and even after distancing herself from Zak when rape allegations came out against him, she has gone on to defend other horrible people in the hobby. Several people, including myself, have been asking Magpie Games to explain why they would work with a known abuser. They have yet to comment on the matter.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Tsilkani posted:

The final stretch goal announced for the Avatar RPG Kickstarter was an AP involving, among other people, Satine Phoenix. This was a concern for a lot of people because Satine was an accomplice for noted harasser Zak S when he was using G+ and the fanbase he had built up to harass many people out of the hobby. She has never apologized for any of this, and even after distancing herself from Zak when rape allegations came out against him, she has gone on to defend other horrible people in the hobby. Several people, including myself, have been asking Magpie Games to explain why they would work with a known abuser. They have yet to comment on the matter.

refunding your pledge and removing your posts is the comment, isn't it?

sasha_d3ath
Jun 3, 2016

Ban-thing the man-things.
"we already got 8 million bucks, fucko"

Warthur
May 2, 2004



Ah, the classic Luke Crane tactic.

Zark the Damned
Mar 9, 2013

Tsilkani posted:

The final stretch goal announced for the Avatar RPG Kickstarter was an AP involving, among other people, Satine Phoenix. This was a concern for a lot of people because Satine was an accomplice for noted harasser Zak S when he was using G+ and the fanbase he had built up to harass many people out of the hobby. She has never apologized for any of this, and even after distancing herself from Zak when rape allegations came out against him, she has gone on to defend other horrible people in the hobby. Several people, including myself, have been asking Magpie Games to explain why they would work with a known abuser. They have yet to comment on the matter.

Ugh that sucks, kinda glad I ended up not backing that project. Amusing seeing all the brainworm folk coming out and saying people are dumb for cancelling pledges over it...

Eastmabl
Jan 29, 2019

Tsilkani posted:

The final stretch goal announced for the Avatar RPG Kickstarter was an AP involving, among other people, Satine Phoenix. This was a concern for a lot of people because Satine was an accomplice for noted harasser Zak S when he was using G+ and the fanbase he had built up to harass many people out of the hobby. She has never apologized for any of this, and even after distancing herself from Zak when rape allegations came out against him, she has gone on to defend other horrible people in the hobby. Several people, including myself, have been asking Magpie Games to explain why they would work with a known abuser. They have yet to comment on the matter.

I wonder what the license holder thinks about it.

Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Eastmabl posted:

I wonder what the license holder thinks about it.
They 100% don't care

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Eastmabl posted:

I wonder what the license holder thinks about it.

quote:

$9,535,317
pledged of $50,000 goal

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
So The Broken Token guy made another insufficient and kinda lovely statement.

He's gone from "it was all consensual and fine, and also lies" to "okay it was true but consensual and, okay, still not a great look I suppose."

He's stepped down from operations but it looks like he still owns the company, so that's obviously insufficient for anyone who gives a drat.

Oh and he laid off over a dozen employees, while failing to take sole blame for that, leaving the door wide open for chuds to blame the accusers for those lost jobs.

https://twitter.com/tbt_gaming/status/1433528322474971137?s=19

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

There's already one response basically saying 'you lost your contracts, you had to fire people, don't feel bad about it' and my dude, why did he lose those contracts. Come on, think about it.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
It has major "just look what you made me do" abuser undertones for 100% sure.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

dwarf74 posted:

It has major "just look what you made me do" abuser undertones for 100% sure.

woah hey don't get taylor swift all mixed up with this

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
I'm hoping the remaining 10 just walk the gently caress out. It's clear he hasn't learned since he continues to focus on calling the behavior consensual, despite that being something of a fraught concept when you have so much loving power over another person.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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My "favorite" part is where he just ignores that he is now saying he directly lied in his last statement.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Tsilkani posted:

There's already one response basically saying 'you lost your contracts, you had to fire people, don't feel bad about it' and my dude, why did he lose those contracts. Come on, think about it.

Cancel Culture, duh

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
This is kind of industry-related: GM app has to shut down due to a breach enabled by hardcoded credentials.

https://twitter.com/gmtheapp/status/1433840472577957891

Edit: VVV LOL, egg on my face it's a Good Morning not Game Mastering app. :doh:

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Sep 3, 2021

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

This is kind of industry-related: GM app has to shut down due to a breach enabled by hardcoded credentials.

https://twitter.com/gmtheapp/status/1433840472577957891

I’m confused this app seems to have been about wishing everyone else good morning. What does that have to do with trad games beyond the abbreviation?

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


Yeah, that app was entirely about wishing people "Good Morning", it has nothing to do with Trad Games.

Rhandhali
Sep 7, 2003

This is Free Trader Beowulf, calling anyone...
Grimey Drawer
What's that company worth out of curiosity? A lot less now that it looks like they've lost contracts, but there is still value in the tooling, setting and fabrication stuff.

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

Rhandhali posted:

What's that company worth out of curiosity? A lot less now that it looks like they've lost contracts, but there is still value in the tooling, setting and fabrication stuff.

Broken Token? Quite a lot, considering they were the premier board game insert company and pretty much dominated the market. Now, though, as long as that guy still owns the place, they're mud.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Warthur posted:

That's extra context which is helpful, but I would personally consider it at least a red flag if someone were exclusively GMing for VTubers with attractive anime avatars.

I mean, I am an old man who doesn't understand VTubers but I am peripherally aware that attractive anime avatars are kind of the norm for that, but even so... nobody with a male persona? Nobody whose persona is, like, a twisted little monster or a spooky old sorceress or something? I start getting the same vibe as I get off, say, the guy who shows up to a party and only talks to the women he finds attractive there and communicates with everyone else in monosyllables.

(EDIT: I mean, thinking it through and reading more of the accounts, it sounds like it's not so much that he's drawn himself as the protagonist of a harem anime, he's tried to make himself the protagonist of a harem anime, so there's that.)

There's totally a guy who vtubes as an orc out there, but the internet being what it is, anime girl avatars are what bring in the clicks so you'll generally only see the less usual stuff in the indy scene.

Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 3, 2021

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
So over the last 3 days, Games Workshop has taken their bolter and blown off their foot. Again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/pha70k/hello_again_guy_here_the_copyright_claim_has_been/

quote:

Hello again, Guy here. The copyright claim has been removed. Thanks so much for all your support.

So, after a bit of a stressful couple of days, the copyright claim on my video reviewing Warhammer+ has now been removed. The GW legal team acted quite quickly on this, and they have my thanks.

The info that I received was that it had been flagged erroneously, so I'm sure it was just an accident and nothing malicious.

Not exaggerating here, I've been blown away by all the support and kind words many of you have offered me. Whatever weird stuff is happening in our hobby at the moment, the kindness of the community always amazes me. Thank you.

GW manually demonitized this review, that all of 3 seconds of viewing, would have known is a review and covered under fair use. With 254K subscribers. Well done GW head of copyright control. You sure protected the brand in a good way!

They removed it today, but I know this is going to happen again.


Also, GW does not credit the artists who made their Warhammer+ content.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



I think GW will weather the storm pretty effortlessly.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Games Wankshop

Talas
Aug 27, 2005

GW does not credit artists or writers in their rule books and other material, because people would take offense of their existence. What happened to Matt Ward is just one example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/dv0nry/games_workshop_matt_ward/
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/f/p/1907079874871853679 https://spikeybits.com/2016/08/100-accurate-history-gw-matt-ward-satire.html
He even got death threats if I recall correctly.

Talas fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Sep 4, 2021

Booley
Apr 25, 2010
I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE
Grimey Drawer

Comstar posted:

So over the last 3 days, Games Workshop has taken their bolter and blown off their foot. Again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/pha70k/hello_again_guy_here_the_copyright_claim_has_been/

GW manually demonitized this review, that all of 3 seconds of viewing, would have known is a review and covered under fair use. With 254K subscribers. Well done GW head of copyright control. You sure protected the brand in a good way!

They removed it today, but I know this is going to happen again.


Also, GW does not credit the artists who made their Warhammer+ content.

GW does not credit artists because when gw credits people they get death threats. Hell, one animator got a bunch of abuse just the other month for saying he was going to work for gw, to the point that he ended up backing out.

And I don't actually trust midwinter when he says it was manually reviewed and demonetized, the guy has a history of posting bullshit to make himself look better. It was probably an algorithm flagging it and someone just hitting yes without paying attention.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Booley posted:



And I don't actually trust midwinter when he says it was manually reviewed and demonetized, the guy has a history of posting bullshit to make himself look better.

...?

Staltran
Jan 3, 2013

Fallen Rib

Booley posted:

GW does not credit artists because when gw credits people they get death threats. Hell, one animator got a bunch of abuse just the other month for saying he was going to work for gw, to the point that he ended up backing out.

And I don't actually trust midwinter when he says it was manually reviewed and demonetized, the guy has a history of posting bullshit to make himself look better. It was probably an algorithm flagging it and someone just hitting yes without paying attention.

Idgi, if someone hit yes then was it not manual?

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Staltran posted:

Idgi, if someone hit yes then was it not manual?

If they get a list of 100 videos that the algo says are infringing and just smack yes to all of them with no further review, it's "manual", but not "manual".

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Why do artists working for GW get death threats? Don't GW fans realize that artists are kind of important to make their books look pretty?

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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paradoxGentleman posted:

Why do artists working for GW get death threats? Don't GW fans realize that artists are kind of important to make their books look pretty?

Because artists and writers get blamed for bad takes even when said takes may be editorially mandated.

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Booley posted:

And I don't actually trust midwinter when he says it was manually reviewed and demonetized, the guy has a history of posting bullshit to make himself look better.

I've never heard this before, what happened?

Booley
Apr 25, 2010
I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE
Grimey Drawer

actually3raccoons posted:

I've never heard this before, what happened?

He posted a bunch of crap about how much gw sucks for not sending him preview copies for 9th and just sending him random specialist games stuff, when the actual issue was that he never asked gw to be on the 40k preview list. And then said he was taking a moral stand and ending his relationship with gw so he could be more unbiased in his reviewing (gw doesn't care if you say something sucks lol)

actually3raccoons
Jun 5, 2013



Booley posted:

He posted a bunch of crap about how much gw sucks for not sending him preview copies for 9th and just sending him random specialist games stuff, when the actual issue was that he never asked gw to be on the 40k preview list. And then said he was taking a moral stand and ending his relationship with gw so he could be more unbiased in his reviewing (gw doesn't care if you say something sucks lol)

Thanks, it's kinda disappointing. Certainly not milkshake duck level, but still.

Booley
Apr 25, 2010
I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE
Grimey Drawer

actually3raccoons posted:

Thanks, it's kinda disappointing. Certainly not milkshake duck level, but still.

Nah I don't think he's actually a bad person, just stupid.

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Battle Mad Ronin
Aug 26, 2017

Booley posted:

Nah I don't think he's actually a bad person, just stupid.

He knows exactly what he’s doing, speculating in nerd rage as a way to harvest views for his channel. Invent a controversy involving yourself and the biggest brand on the market so you can take a brave and controversial stand that will garner respect from people in a subculture where opinions on said brand are hotly debated.

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