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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Blame! rocks. THis e: 
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Hodgepodge posted:This time, mankind will use its own power to bring the apocalypse, and there's poo poo all you can do about it. That's also true. The way they just churn out absurdly scaled infrastructure projects in reaction to catastrophe feels positively utopian today. Don't they care about their children's debt burden?
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jet alone was robbed!
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Maya Fey posted:THis this is from biomega, not blame 
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Mirello posted:sorry to undermine this piss discussion, but this video is pretty excellent Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Cuck Philosophy video about the Nietzchean philosophy of Berserk is actually really good, even for an hour long youtube. It really does help draw into focus what makes Berserk stand out from its imitators in all sorts of media. A lot of them miss the focus on both the development of the characters and the underlying lack of contempt for them or the struggle to live - instead they get stuck on the whole GRIMDARK MATURE spectacle stuff, or seem to move past cynicism into active spite. Meanwhile when the cynical tragedy is done correctly, it emboldens and celebrates the smallest acts of living - even as minor as a flower growing after being trod on takes on a powerful sense of life affirming defiance in the face of the whole theatre of poo poo on display. Its an interesting effect that ends up being common in a lot of my favorite stories and settings, so I'm glad that someone was able to contextualize that with an hour long philosophy talk.
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Sep 4, 2021 14:09
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Tiler Kiwi posted:It really does help draw into focus what makes Berserk stand out from its imitators in all sorts of media. A lot of them miss the focus on both the development of the characters and the underlying lack of contempt for them or the struggle to live - instead they get stuck on the whole GRIMDARK MATURE spectacle stuff, or seem to move past cynicism into active spite. Meanwhile when the cynical tragedy is done correctly, it emboldens and celebrates the smallest acts of living - even as minor as a flower growing after being trod on takes on a powerful sense of life affirming defiance in the face of the whole theatre of poo poo on display. Its an interesting effect that ends up being common in a lot of my favorite stories and settings, so I'm glad that someone was able to contextualize that with an hour long philosophy talk. When you put it that way, it's a lot like The Watchmen. Mistaking aesthetics for politics is a vice capitalism depends on a great deal.
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Sep 4, 2021 14:14
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Hodgepodge posted:When you put it that way, it's a lot like The Watchmen. Mistaking aesthetics for politics is a vice capitalism depends on a great deal. I think its also just that there is a particular crowd of people that just plain celebrate the idea of the world being Harsh, and view arbitrary harshness itself as the height of morality - the weak are properly punished for their weakness while the strong dominate. which is kind of a recurrent problem for Nietzschean / cynical grimdark stuff in general
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Cuck Philosophy video about the Nietzchean philosophy of Berserk nope
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Gripweed posted:nope nah he's not one of those kinds of people, just philosophy brained enough that he felt naming his channel that in reference to some obscure philosopher was a good idea. if you give it a fair shot and still thinks it sucks i'll give you a free "6'er a posting enemy" pass
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Tiler Kiwi posted:I think its also just that there is a particular crowd of people that just plain celebrate the idea of the world being Harsh, and view arbitrary harshness itself as the height of morality - the weak are properly punished for their weakness while the strong dominate. which is kind of a recurrent problem for Nietzschean / cynical grimdark stuff in general Those types are also big fans of rape in general, whereas Miura and Moore were both interested in, once again, humanizing the resulting trauma. Even to some extent to the perpetrator, but moreso the victim(s); ultimately the attempted rape in The Watchmen is just as central to the story as the full blown demon blood sacrifice cuck rape of the Eclipse is to Berserk. (The role of full blown demon blood sacrifice cuck rape is covered by America in The Watchmen). Which makes the part where they're also uncomfortably into it at the same time even more unfortunate. I guess they're both poster cases for how the topic of sexual violence comes to be sensationalized and exploitative, often before it even leaves the author's own mind. e: a better part of a decade ago I read an incredible manga on the topic called Nijigahara Holograph. Be warned, the main theme is directly confronting how the trauma of sexual violence towards (primarily female-assigned) children traps all of society in trauma-driven karmic patterns which come to seem as mysterious and yet regular as the natural world in their ebb and flow of tragedies and their rippling effects. It's very surreal in general and beautiful in many parts, but I shouldn't have to spell out further that it is a story which requires really driving home a point which involves sexual violence towards kids. So a very high recommendation with a huge trigger warning and caveat. Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 14:59 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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Sep 4, 2021 14:41
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A lot of Eva makes more sense when you see what sort of guy Anno was/is. Aoi Hono is a series I've recommended before, and will recommend again. It's the story of Kazuhiko Shimamoto's time as a student at the Osaka University of Arts, which he attended alongside Hideaki Anno, Hiroyuki Yamaga, and Takami Akai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmLhXr8rm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eq5y-Dyg5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxHeQM1oLQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXmZAja_BUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJP5QxwMng And it's extra instructive to watch Return of Ultraman, Anno's 1983 fan film, which has a lot of Eva, long before Eva was a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwm6fw7lu3w
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Tiler Kiwi posted:I think its also just that there is a particular crowd of people that just plain celebrate the idea of the world being Harsh, and view arbitrary harshness itself as the height of morality - the weak are properly punished for their weakness while the strong dominate. which is kind of a recurrent problem for Nietzschean / cynical grimdark stuff in general That's been a problem with how Nietzsche was presented practically from the beginning, when his fascist sister edited his works to be copacetic with Nazism. The idea of master-slave dynamics being a natural good is exactly what Nietzche is not arguing in favor of. Insofar as Nietzsche advocates for hierarchies, it's only in terms of the overman drawing in followers through their creative capacities instead of forcing dominance through destruction or violence. Gutts draws in so many followers because he is engaging in a superhuman struggle against cosmic forces of destruction, and his ability to survive and save others nurtures their creative capacities. Gutts is a superman not because he can massacre people and demons alike, but because his strength defies the overwhelming forces of fate and rescues the weak from an early doom. It's completely opposed to a vulgar nihilistic interpretation, which is also attributed to Nietzsche despite him diagnosing nihilism as a sickness.
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reading hegemony of morals for the first time and i wonder when did his sister caught hold of his work, prob after he started talking to horses
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cuck. philosophy.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:cuck.
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is gundam wing the only gundam series to have a second op that isn't noticeably worse than the first
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why does wing exist???
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Sep 6, 2021 03:19
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so that kouta hirano could get his manga start drawing porn of it and then go on to create hellsing
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Hodgepodge posted:Those types are also big fans of rape in general, whereas Miura and Moore were both interested in, once again, humanizing the resulting trauma. Even to some extent to the perpetrator, but moreso the victim(s); ultimately the attempted rape in The Watchmen is just as central to the story as the full blown demon blood sacrifice cuck rape of the Eclipse is to Berserk. (The role of full blown demon blood sacrifice cuck rape is covered by America in The Watchmen). Which makes the part where they're also uncomfortably into it at the same time even more unfortunate. I guess they're both poster cases for how the topic of sexual violence comes to be sensationalized and exploitative, often before it even leaves the author's own mind. That said, I do think Miura leaned on sexual violence as a bit of a crutch in the early years of the manga. Casca in particular gets almost-raped more than once in the Golden Age and especially with Wyald it felt a bit gratuitous IMO
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Southpaugh posted:why does wing exist??? to loving own
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Seyser Koze posted:so that kouta hirano could get his manga start drawing porn of it and then go on to create hellsing oh that rules i love kouta hirano
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Southpaugh posted:why does wing exist??? *rips up a teenage girl's handwritten birthday invitation* "I'll kill you."
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dont get me wrong wing loving rules, but its so little like the rest of gundam, or maybe its just more overtly camp.
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Southpaugh posted:dont get me wrong wing loving rules, but its so little like the rest of gundam, or maybe its just more overtly camp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAf-mp4yYNU
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lmao ofc there were depths I could not conceive of Sick
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Stairmaster posted:is gundam wing the only gundam series to have a second op that isn't noticeably worse than the first Century Color rules.
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Southpaugh posted:lmao ofc there were depths I could not conceive of they never made another one like G Gundam because they got it right on the first try. Meanwhile, they've been trying to redo UC for like 40 years.
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Second OP for Gundam X is still good even if it's not quite as good as Dreams
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Gripweed posted:Century Color rules. fair
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I had to check if Re Rise even had two OPs because I had literally forgotten the first one. Not only is the second one a massive improvement over the first, that scene elevates it to an all time great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwoR971qbA
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re:rise is legit one of the best isekai anime ever made. that might be damning with faint praise, though.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:re:rise is legit one of the best isekai anime ever made. that might be damning with faint praise, though. Build Divers Re Rise is flat out unnecessarily good. Build Divers is across the board bad and the most forgettable Gundam TV series, and then they do a followup that's not only one of the best Gundam series, it retroactively makes Build Divers a little better.
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The Winner versus Men of Destiny is a tough competition.
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I'm hosed up and prefer Suvivor to Raise Your Flag. For IBO s2 I do prefer the first OP though.
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Wing is so good because it called everything about Drone warfare and expressly told the audience it would be used by international capital to isolate first worlders from its mass murder in developing nations 15 years before anyone had heard of a Predator Drone. The only thing it got wrong would be everyone bringing back Napoleonic fashion, which honestly makes this a worse timeline.
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What they didn't count on is that eventually everyone would have drones, and that the first world would get lapped by developing powers producing economy class drones while we continue making ridiculously expensive Sport Utility Drones.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What they didn't count on is that eventually everyone would have drones, and that the first world would get lapped by developing powers producing economy class drones while we continue making ridiculously expensive Sport Utility Drones. They did predict that though. The entire climatic conflict of the series is about radical elements in the developing world making their own drones and then the Space Taliban decides to blow up the Earth.
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I don't remember a lot of the specifics of Gundam Wing. I just remember not liking it much in high school because the Gundams were way too OP even compared to other gundams, and certain mobile suits were way more OP than other mobile suits. It just sucked out all of the dramatic tension from all the fights knowing they're foregone conclusions. I mean, being OP is the defining characteristic of every Gundam, but most series have enough sense to not make them so OP that they're never in any kind of danger or can't get outplayed by a smarter or more experienced pilot.
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