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Why does the minor bugfix patch require a 14GB download? 
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Sep 3, 2021 16:39
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I'm glad people are talking about the interns right now because I'm only a bit into the game I've "fixed" one ford out of three and I kind of don't like them? I like most of the other characters and interactions. But all of the interns just kind of feel like assholes, or wacky one note gimmicks who hang around for far longer than they should. Like, most of the kids in the first game were just one note personalities or were basically defined by how they dressed but also they pretty much only had any kind of interaction with the player if you went out of your way to talk to them whereas the interns are kind of just inserted into the plot and they keep showing up. And they're just jerks? Even after the big finale of the lucktopus where it feels like there's supposed to be some kind of big turnaround and everyone works together, they just kind of go right back to being jerks again. Except Adam who will just have chill conversations about the history of the psychonauts with you. I dunno, I'm interested in basically everything else about the plot except them and every time they show up it's like cool, time to hang with the burgerking kids club again.
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Sep 3, 2021 16:48
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There's a blatantly missing plot thread of Norma somehow being a snitch to the Is it that out of nowhere? Every time I've used clairvoyance on her since the casino she sees Raz as a mole
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Sep 3, 2021 17:05
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Its not out of nowhere, theres literally a chat with Gisu and Norma early in the game, I think immediately after Hollis's Hot Stream, where Gisu flat out says "Yeah, Norma thinks your the mole and is stalking you" in front of Norma
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Sep 3, 2021 17:10
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Barudak posted:Its not out of nowhere, theres literally a chat with Gisu and Norma early in the game, I think immediately after Hollis's Hot Stream, where Gisu flat out says "Yeah, Norma thinks your the mole and is stalking you" in front of Norma Aaaand that's the last it comes up, best I could tell. It doesn't get built on, it just blips from there to the finale like there's a plot thread that was meant to be built on over a few more missions.
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Sep 3, 2021 17:22
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Aaaand that's the last it comes up, best I could tell. nah, she then starts obviously patronizing your father to spy on your family around here too. it's very obvious tbh.
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Sep 3, 2021 17:24
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CoolCab posted:nah, she then starts obviously patronizing your father to spy on your family around here too. it's very obvious tbh. Huh, I somehow missed that detail.
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Sep 3, 2021 17:26
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She shows up in the Questionable Area, but it'd be really easy to miss unless you're just going around interacting with everything in the hub. Speaking of the hub, there really wasn't a whole lot of sidequests, huh? I imagine, again, that there were going to be way more of that stuff but it was cut.
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Sep 3, 2021 17:35
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This isn't a nitpick or anything, but something I keep wondering about is if the Whispering Rock campers got sent home after getting their brains stolen for a world domination plot or if they've just been sitting around the campgrounds totally unsupervised. Maybe Sheegor and Mr. Pokeylope are watching them.
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Sep 3, 2021 20:08
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Mikedawson posted:This isn't a nitpick or anything, but something I keep wondering about is if the Whispering Rock campers got sent home after getting their brains stolen for a world domination plot or if they've just been sitting around the campgrounds totally unsupervised. Well we know Dr Loboto left his kid at camp so we can assume they are still there.
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Sep 3, 2021 21:14
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jimmydalad posted:Well we know Dr Loboto left his kid at camp so we can assume they are still there. If you talk to Milla and Sasha who are in the bowling alley post-game, they reveal that a new batch of campers is about to arrive, so most likely the old group is either already gone or preparing to leave at that point- which could be a hook for either another game or DLC, maybe?
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Sep 3, 2021 21:17
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I'm missing 5 figments in the Sensorium and it's killing me. I've cleared Backstage, The Woods, Concessions, and I think Eye Shrine (although that one I guess I can't say 100% for sure). That leaves me somehow having missed 5 in the Sound/Smell/Touch/Hear Shrines. This level is cool but it's tough to pick out figments in all the chaos.
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Sep 3, 2021 21:57
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Mix. posted:If you talk to Milla and Sasha who are in the bowling alley post-game, they reveal that a new batch of campers is about to arrive, so most likely the old group is either already gone or preparing to leave at that point- which could be a hook for either another game or DLC, maybe? I was about to say that doesn't make any sense but I just remembered that Psychonauts 1 opens on Oleander introducing the kids to the camp and some of the kids, like Dogen, reacting as though it's their first day there. So I guess what probably happened is that it's still very early in the summer and after a day of nonsense and attempted-world-take-overs, plus a week or so of drama with this game and the VR game, the original campers largely got sent home other than Loboto's kid, who probably didn't have anybody to pick them up. So now with things settled down, they can open up the camp again.
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Sep 3, 2021 22:49
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To be fair, it's actually pretty common for summer camps to have multiple groups, since depending on the camp it usually only lasts a week or two, tops. So I could honestly see it being as more of a thing where there are regulars (esp those with family ties to the psychonauts like Dogen, Lily, etc) but the actual groups get shuffled around depending on which timeslot they end up registered for. Sasha says something about the camp being one of the biggest sources of income for the Psychonauts so only having one batch a year wouldn't really work with that
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Sep 3, 2021 23:16
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Managed to get Sensorium down to two figments. Can't say that I like figment hunting as much in this one. I don't like when they do annoying stuff like put a figment against an identical colored background. That's not clever it's just annoying.
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Sep 3, 2021 23:59
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Since there is no new game plus yet, I really don't feel the need to completionist the game since I already won. I am seeking out those last two vaults though because story content!
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Sep 4, 2021 00:06
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PantsBandit posted:Managed to get Sensorium down to two figments. Can't say that I like figment hunting as much in this one. I don't like when they do annoying stuff like put a figment against an identical colored background. That's not clever it's just annoying. I was in this same situation, the two I were missing were behind the statue at the end of the Vision area, and another behind a decoration stage left in the back of the Backstage area. A whooole lot of the figments in that mind were really obnoxious to hunt down.
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Sep 4, 2021 00:08
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ArchRanger posted:I was in this same situation, the two I were missing were behind the statue at the end of the Vision area, and another behind a decoration stage left in the back of the Backstage area. I think those were the exact two I was missing as well.
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Sep 4, 2021 00:14
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ArchRanger posted:I was in this same situation, the two I were missing were behind the statue at the end of the Vision area, and another behind a decoration stage left in the back of the Backstage area. The Eye statue was one of them so thanks for that. Wasn't lucky enough to go 2/2 though, looks like I already have the backstage one. My notebook doesn't show any figment groups incomplete so it must be a unique figment. I'll give it some time and look again.
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Sep 4, 2021 00:36
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There's a blatantly missing plot thread of Norma somehow being a snitch to the You didn't pay a single attention to Norma at all outside of cutscenes. She has numerous conversations with the other interns about Raz being the mole. Gisha literally says "Norma thinks you are the mole Raz!" if you interact with them during that conversation. If you use clairvoyance on her she see's Raz as a literal mole. Once you unlock Raz's family she changes her location and hovers around the family and is very obviously worried they are going to do something. It doesn't come out of nowhere, you just didn't pay attention to it and the game didn't throw it into your face.
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Sep 4, 2021 01:34
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It looks like the patch still hasn't hit the GOG version of the game, which is making me want to put off finally getting started. Weird, because I would have assumed that GOG was easier to patch than Steam or a console.
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Sep 4, 2021 02:20
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What does this patch even do? 16gb, it should be something...
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Sep 4, 2021 03:14
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Actually there is one plot thread that seems like it got caught in a rewrite or something; How'd Gristol Malik implant suggestions in Loboto's mind? He's not psychic! Thinking on something else a little as well; Contriving Nona as the cause of Raz going to Whispering Rock is an odd choice when it would've slotted into Gristol's plans much better considering it leads to the same fundamental outcome. IUG posted:What does this patch even do? 16gb, it should be something... Depending on how it's built, even if it's just a few lines of code here-and-there might mean submitting entire compiled modules of the game engine for overwriting the local install, and that's where it'll all add up. Plus there might be changes to the models and other assets to optimize them as well, and those are going to be big on their own. Remember it's not necessarily 16GB of NEW data, it's just changing 16GB worth of the existing data.
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Sep 4, 2021 03:47
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Actually there is one plot thread that seems like it got caught in a rewrite or something; How'd Gristol Malik implant suggestions in Loboto's mind? He's not psychic! Based on what we see inside his own mind, while Gristol isn't psychic, he's accomplished at brainwashing techniques to "program" people to act in certain ways, including himself, without the benefit of being able to just do it with his mind like the Psychonauts.
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Sep 4, 2021 03:55
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Actually there is one plot thread that seems like it got caught in a rewrite or something; How'd Gristol Malik implant suggestions in Loboto's mind? He's not psychic! Gristol didn't implant anything - he just intimidated the poo poo out of him. Loboto's already unstable so it probably wasn't that hard to convince him that Gristol already had Maligula on call and he could totally kill Loboto whenever he wanted. quote:Thinking on something else a little as well; Contriving Nona as the cause of Raz going to Whispering Rock is an odd choice when it would've slotted into Gristol's plans much better considering it leads to the same fundamental outcome. I don't think Gristol knew who Raz was before he interfered with his plans. Gristol also didn't know that Nona was Maligula (so he didn't know the Aquatos were important) - he only knew that Maligula was still alive somewhere and he presumably wanted Ford fixed so Ford could lead him to her. Gristol probably would have attempted to manipulate any of the interns or even Lili into fixing Ford if Raz wasn't there. I thought it was actually very sweet that Nona wanted better for Raz than he was getting at the circus with his family.
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Sep 4, 2021 04:02
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CuwiKhons posted:Gristol didn't implant anything - he just intimidated the poo poo out of him. Loboto's already unstable so it probably wasn't that hard to convince him that Gristol already had Maligula on call and he could totally kill Loboto whenever he wanted. Fair on the first part. As for the second; You're talking about the plot as-is, I meant more in how it was written for the script from a planning level. It's also inferred it wasn't Nona wanting to help her grandson, but Maligula looking for a way to resurface as the dominant aspect of her mind.
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Sep 4, 2021 04:10
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Neddy Seagoon posted:As for the second; You're talking about the plot as-is, I meant more in how it was written for the script from a planning level. It's also inferred it wasn't Nona wanting to help her grandson, but Maligula looking for a way to resurface as the dominant aspect of her mind. I think the issue with that is that I'm not sure how you could write a scenario where Gristol knew that the Aquatos were important enough to be worth bringing in without also knowing that they had some connection to Maligula (whether he knew Nona was her or not) and wouldn't just skip dealing with the Psychonauts entirely and go after the Aquatos to get the information he wants. He might try sweet talking/manipulating them rather than using violence (probably by telling Raz that he works for the Psychonauts without revealing that he's not himself psychic) but he definitely wouldn't send Raz to Whispering Rocks where he'd run into two uncompromised Psychonaut agents and one compromised one that I'm not sure if Gristol knew about. That'd just be incredibly dangerous. If Psychonauts 2 had already been planned when Psychonauts 1 was being written then I'd agree that you could probably come up with a better way to get Raz to camp and integrate Gristol better into that plot, but I doubt it was and the team had to work with the canon they had, in which case Nona's probably the best explanation.
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Sep 4, 2021 04:24
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uh, did you find the memory? because it wasn't maligula trying to get out, the memory is for nona - lucy. she's was starting to remember her old life and totally understandably feels frustrated and trapped, that's why she sent raz to go learn skills that could rescue her. if you're not intending to go back and do all the missable stuff you are doing yourself a huge disservice if you don't watch all the memories on youtube. quite a few of the misconceptions here are covered in the memories, it covers the cassie bee thing for example
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Sep 4, 2021 04:27
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I am now 2 figments on Bob's Bottles away from platinum. I have no idea what or where they are, but they can't hide from me forever!
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Sep 4, 2021 04:48
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PantsBandit posted:I am now 2 figments on Bob's Bottles away from platinum. Check on the palm trees or in the bomb flowers in the overworld, loooots of poeple miss those. Or you can be me and have your last missing figment be the one that is designed to be 100% unmissable, whatever.
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Sep 4, 2021 04:50
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there has been times where i've been running to another figment and pick up one that I didn't even see so let's not put it past a good group of dummies to miss unmissable figments 
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Sep 4, 2021 05:03
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All done, I got every achievement, completed every level, found every figment and vault and nugget etc. I'm surprised I put less time into this game than the original, because it feels larger than I remember the original being... maybe a large chunk of those hours were on collecting figments in Black Velvetopia and trying to jump off that loving post in Meat Circus?  I got to Level 101 when I completed the last collectible and got confused as to how I could possibly get to Level 102 with nothing left to do. I assumed that maybe completing everything would cause Sasha to show up and give me one last challenge card or something, since I only had 9 and you need 10 to combine with a psi-core and rank up. That didn't happen so I figured I'd go see if maybe Otto would give me one as a "good customer bonus" or something, went to an Otto-matic.... and was reminded you only need 9 psi-cards and a psi-core to rank up  So yeah... fully in-keeping with Raz as a character, I somehow managed to do and accomplish everything and still look like a big doofus!  If this is the last Psychonauts we ever get I'll be satisfied, but man oh man do I want a Psychonauts 3 now. 
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Sep 4, 2021 05:12
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Barudak posted:Check on the palm trees or in the bomb flowers in the overworld, loooots of poeple miss those. Was it the bus as you slide down one of the bottles? Because just now that was my final one, and it looked literally impossible to miss so it must not spawn in your first time through the level. There's also no reason to think you'd have to go back through that bottle entrance since you can teleport to that area instead, but there you go. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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Sep 4, 2021 05:12
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Yeah, I had a few of those figments I walked over without seeing them, which made me very concerned about tracking them all down.
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Sep 4, 2021 05:12
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CoolCab posted:uh, did you find the memory? because it wasn't maligula trying to get out, the memory is for nona - lucy. she's was starting to remember her old life and totally understandably feels frustrated and trapped, that's why she sent raz to go learn skills that could rescue her. That memory is quite clearly Nona having no clue as to why she did what she did afterwards. It was Maligula looking for a way out and getting a brief moment of control to nudge Raz towards Ford and provide the opportunity it did. Lucy was fundamentally buried under Maligula, remember.
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Sep 4, 2021 05:17
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That memory is quite clearly Nona having no clue as to why she did what she did afterwards. It was Maligula looking for a way out and getting a brief moment of control to nudge Raz towards Ford and provide the opportunity it did. Lucy was fundamentally buried under Maligula, remember. it's literally titled "nona's cry for help". you see, directly, that her reflection is of lucy. i don't understand where your interpretation comes from at all.
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Sep 4, 2021 05:20
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Yeah, it's absolutely Lucy prompting/pushing Raz, because she wants to be fully herself again, but Ford's conditioning takes hold again soon after and Nona has no idea why she is suddenly wearing these clothes and has this wig/fake beard on. Endgame level: Maligula doesn't get involved/free until her dam is weakened by Ford and Raz working to restore Lucy's mind, knowing that it will shake Maligula free too but that they can then work together to jam her deep back down into the primitive part of Lucy's mind that she came from - Gristol interfering, as was always his plan, means Ford is overpowered and Maligula temporarily is back in charge until Raz gets help from Nona/Lucy to finally overcome her.
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Sep 4, 2021 05:29
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PantsBandit posted:Was it the bus as you slide down one of the bottles? Because just now that was my final one, and it looked literally impossible to miss so it must not spawn in your first time through the level. Laffo it absolutely was the bus. I have no idea how you miss that and I never thought to check that slide ever again. For Hollis' Hot Streak they move figments around from the story to the return visits, but I don't know where that Van would be otherwise.
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Sep 4, 2021 05:35
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So I just got to Compton's mind and it feels like a weird ramp up in difficulty just because of how many obstacles feel nearly unavoidable, or entirely unclearly telegraphed as to how much damage they do? Like there's heat pads on the floor, but they hurt you through levitation. There's a rotating platform - but it does absurd amounts of damage on top of being tricky to navigate. I get what they were going for with its design, but geeze this just feels kind of unpleasent to deal with as a gameplay stage.
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Sep 4, 2021 13:07
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Make sure you're using slowdown on the rotating stuff, I was all 'eh I can get through this without bothering' then got constantly owned lol The heat pads are annoying but they don't do a ton of damage I just jumped a lot and hoped for the best.
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Sep 4, 2021 13:13
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