Pennywise the Frown posted:

Mutant Headcrab posted:

Predator was an 80s action movie, but a Predator shows up.

Predator 2 was a hard-boiled cop movie, but Gary Busey a Predator shows up.

We clearly need to go back to this formula. *Genre*, but a Predator shows up.

BiggerBoat posted:

Was it "tits"?

BiggerBoat posted:

Was it "tits"?

Mutant Headcrab posted:

Predator was an 80s action movie, but a Predator shows up.

Predator 2 was a hard-boiled cop movie, but Gary Busey a Predator shows up.

We clearly need to go back to this formula. *Genre*, but a Predator shows up.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Nope. Most people in here like the theatrical cut. We've had many conversations about this before.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

"These things ain't ants, pendejo"

skasion posted:

Merchant-Ivory drama, but a Predator shows up

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Someone play with me.

I don't know how to leave a multiplayer game without exiting the entire game to the desktop.

I've seen a few bugs as well that I hope they fix.

SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

(By the time I finished this post, like a whole page had been added to the thread and now this sort of feels like beating a dead horse a bit. But it's all in good fun and I'm not going to let all that typing go to waste!)



This inquest is here to pass judgment on Aliens: Special Edition who stands accused of adding a lot of unnecessary bloat (42 million in adjusted minutes) back into 'Aliens,' for reasons unknown.

The analysis team went over the film centimeter by centimeter to determine what has been altered and if anything can be salvaged:

Ripley's Daughter
Ripley losing a daughter is touching. Ripley finding a surrogate daughter is touching. Doing both in the same movie is some corny as gently caress Hallmark Channel poo poo that makes it seem like Ripley regards children as replaceable pet gerbils. Would Alien3 have played any better if it ended with "it's ok that Newt died because Ripley finds yet another little girl to replace her with?" No, that'd be obscene! Verdict: Remove!

Van Leuwen's Verdict
Nobody cares that Ripley loses her license. Not even Ripley: she doesn't go back to LV-426 to restore her license, she goes back so she can destroy the aliens. This movie is about fighting the aliens. Also it's much more enjoyable to go directly from Ripley's freak out to "Case Closed." Verdict: Remove

The Colony/The Jordens' Discovery
Guilty of multiple crimes, the first being these are two of the worst looking scenes in the movie and almost look like they were shot by another DP. It's mostly because it's so bright and that's by design, but it reveals how cheap everything looks. The Jordens' vehicle has a charming design but looks like a child's hand is going to move in from off-screen and grab it because we're actually watching toy commercial footage.

If it looks like a different movie, it also feels like one, too, as these scenes establish that the movie is no longer from Ripley's perspective but Ripley and Newt's, and shifts from a focused thriller to a family drama. Verdict: Remove!

Burke's Answer
Burke explains why he's coming along with the mission, blah blah, causing some meandering to a scene that is already hurt by this extended cut: 20 minutes into the film we are less patient watching characters argue over whether to get the plot started, especially now that we know there's a little girl in need of rescuing. We already know you're gonna go, Ripley, quit dragging your feet! Verdict: Remove!

Int. Sulaco
A nice homage to 'Alien' as we get quietly acquainted with the corridors of the ship we're going to be spending most of the movie in... wait, we're NOT? What the gently caress is the point of this, then? Verdict: Remove!

Hudson's Hubris
After some fine character introductions and getting to know our cast, including wise-cracking wannabe badass Hudson, we're finally in the dropship and can get this show on the road... Wait, I guess the movie isn't done showing us how Hudson is a wise-cracking wannabe badass. Can we hurry the gently caress up, please? No wonder Hicks is asleep. Verdict: Remove!

False Alarm
Hudson and Vasquez get the drop on what turns out to be some pet hamsters, which is like a metaphor for the audience watching the movie at this point. In Aliens theatrical when the marines don't encounter any aliens upon their initial entry into the colony, it's a relief. Here it's a disappointment because we're nearly an hour into the movie and we really should be receiving some kind of payoff by now. The tension is diffused to the point where we really can believe we've missed all the alien action.

Also: the film is obviously sped up when Hudson and Vasquez bust through the door and it looks really goofy. Verdict: Remove!

Ripley Pauses
I don't mind the idea behind this scene, but I'm not wild about the execution. Sigourney Weaver uses this kind of innocent expression that feels off. Also she's holding the movie up again. Verdict: Remove!

At 1 hour and 14 minutes the xeno action finally commences in earnest. That's like an entire Pokemon movie! Couple the aliens' extreme fashionable lateness with the fact that their presence hasn't scaled along with the rest of the runtime (in fact in some ways their presence has been reduced, as I'll get into later), and the aliens feel sidelined in their own movie.

The Sentry Guns
This isn't either of the scenes where we see the sentry guns in action but rather the various extensions to the planning and fort setup scenes that their inclusion necessitates. It's like collateral damage to what was already arguably the most boring stretch of the film. Verdict: Remove!

Newt's Questions
We are so safe and cozy that Ripley and Newt can giggle about where babies come from and such, which is great if you're making a movie for Nickelodeon. Verdict: Remove!

Hudson's "Ant" Theory

Verdict: Remove!

The Aliens Attack
The admittedly tense sentry gun scenes have the nearly catastrophic side effect of confirming that the characters are safe in their makeshift fortress, which was not something you could take for granted in the original cut. This is what I meant earlier by the aliens' reduced presence here: the xenos haunted the theatrical cut like ghosts, and the simmering intensity it managed to sustain through the talk-heavy midsection is dropped almost entirely by the Special Edition, because we know the aliens are kept at bay and are not already here. Verdict: Remove!

The Aliens Retreat
See above. Verdict: Remove!

First Name Basis
In 19 minutes the area's going to be a mushroom cloud the size of Nebraska and in even less time Newt's going to become a feast for facehuggers, but we have plenty of time to drop EVERYTHING and have Ripley and Hicks make puppy eyes at each other. I don't even mind the dialogue, just have the exchange while Ripley's gathering her poo poo and cut out the dramatic pauses. Because the absolute last thing this edition needs, at this moment in the film, is yet another interruption. Verdict: Remove!

CONCLUSION
It is the finding of this court of inquiry that Aliens: Special Edition has been put together with questionable judgment and that each and every one of its additions is excisable.

Now, no criminal charges will be filed against it at this time and it will be released on its own recognizance for a six-month period of psychometric probation, to include monthly review by an ICC psychiatric technician. These proceedings are closed.

Iron Crowned posted:

James Cameron really needs to hurry up and complete his Avatar bullshit so that I can get Aliens on UHD. I've still got that ancient special edition DVD which has all of that. It's been so long since I've seen the theatrical cut, I forgot how much was added

Neo Rasa posted:

We finally got to play some of the Alien: Fate of the Nostromo board game. The game is fun but having an actual cat in play makes makes accessing the cryo chamber almost impossible.

SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

(By the time I finished this post, like a whole page had been added to the thread and now this sort of feels like beating a dead horse a bit. But it's all in good fun and I'm not going to let all that typing go to waste!)



This inquest is here to pass judgment on Aliens: Special Edition who stands accused of adding a lot of unnecessary bloat (42 million in adjusted minutes) back into 'Aliens,' for reasons unknown.

The analysis team went over the film centimeter by centimeter to determine what has been altered and if anything can be salvaged:

Ripley's Daughter
Ripley losing a daughter is touching. Ripley finding a surrogate daughter is touching. Doing both in the same movie is some corny as gently caress Hallmark Channel poo poo that makes it seem like Ripley regards children as replaceable pet gerbils. Would Alien3 have played any better if it ended with "it's ok that Newt died because Ripley finds yet another little girl to replace her with?" No, that'd be obscene! Verdict: Remove!

Van Leuwen's Verdict
Nobody cares that Ripley loses her license. Not even Ripley: she doesn't go back to LV-426 to restore her license, she goes back so she can destroy the aliens. This movie is about fighting the aliens. Also it's much more enjoyable to go directly from Ripley's freak out to "Case Closed." Verdict: Remove

The Colony/The Jordens' Discovery
Guilty of multiple crimes, the first being these are two of the worst looking scenes in the movie and almost look like they were shot by another DP. It's mostly because it's so bright and that's by design, but it reveals how cheap everything looks. The Jordens' vehicle has a charming design but looks like a child's hand is going to move in from off-screen and grab it because we're actually watching toy commercial footage.

If it looks like a different movie, it also feels like one, too, as these scenes establish that the movie is no longer from Ripley's perspective but Ripley and Newt's, and shifts from a focused thriller to a family drama. Verdict: Remove!

Burke's Answer
Burke explains why he's coming along with the mission, blah blah, causing some meandering to a scene that is already hurt by this extended cut: 20 minutes into the film we are less patient watching characters argue over whether to get the plot started, especially now that we know there's a little girl in need of rescuing. We already know you're gonna go, Ripley, quit dragging your feet! Verdict: Remove!

Int. Sulaco
A nice homage to 'Alien' as we get quietly acquainted with the corridors of the ship we're going to be spending most of the movie in... wait, we're NOT? What the gently caress is the point of this, then? Verdict: Remove!

Hudson's Hubris
After some fine character introductions and getting to know our cast, including wise-cracking wannabe badass Hudson, we're finally in the dropship and can get this show on the road... Wait, I guess the movie isn't done showing us how Hudson is a wise-cracking wannabe badass. Can we hurry the gently caress up, please? No wonder Hicks is asleep. Verdict: Remove!

False Alarm
Hudson and Vasquez get the drop on what turns out to be some pet hamsters, which is like a metaphor for the audience watching the movie at this point. In Aliens theatrical when the marines don't encounter any aliens upon their initial entry into the colony, it's a relief. Here it's a disappointment because we're nearly an hour into the movie and we really should be receiving some kind of payoff by now. The tension is diffused to the point where we really can believe we've missed all the alien action.

Also: the film is obviously sped up when Hudson and Vasquez bust through the door and it looks really goofy. Verdict: Remove!

Ripley Pauses
I don't mind the idea behind this scene, but I'm not wild about the execution. Sigourney Weaver uses this kind of innocent expression that feels off. Also she's holding the movie up again. Verdict: Remove!

At 1 hour and 14 minutes the xeno action finally commences in earnest. That's like an entire Pokemon movie! Couple the aliens' extreme fashionable lateness with the fact that their presence hasn't scaled along with the rest of the runtime (in fact in some ways their presence has been reduced, as I'll get into later), and the aliens feel sidelined in their own movie.

The Sentry Guns
This isn't either of the scenes where we see the sentry guns in action but rather the various extensions to the planning and fort setup scenes that their inclusion necessitates. It's like collateral damage to what was already arguably the most boring stretch of the film. Verdict: Remove!

Newt's Questions
We are so safe and cozy that Ripley and Newt can giggle about where babies come from and such, which is great if you're making a movie for Nickelodeon. Verdict: Remove!

Hudson's "Ant" Theory

Verdict: Remove!

The Aliens Attack
The admittedly tense sentry gun scenes have the nearly catastrophic side effect of confirming that the characters are safe in their makeshift fortress, which was not something you could take for granted in the original cut. This is what I meant earlier by the aliens' reduced presence here: the xenos haunted the theatrical cut like ghosts, and the simmering intensity it managed to sustain through the talk-heavy midsection is dropped almost entirely by the Special Edition, because we know the aliens are kept at bay and are not already here. Verdict: Remove!

The Aliens Retreat
See above. Verdict: Remove!

First Name Basis
In 19 minutes the area's going to be a mushroom cloud the size of Nebraska and in even less time Newt's going to become a feast for facehuggers, but we have plenty of time to drop EVERYTHING and have Ripley and Hicks make puppy eyes at each other. I don't even mind the dialogue, just have the exchange while Ripley's gathering her poo poo and cut out the dramatic pauses. Because the absolute last thing this edition needs, at this moment in the film, is yet another interruption. Verdict: Remove!

CONCLUSION
It is the finding of this court of inquiry that Aliens: Special Edition has been put together with questionable judgment and that each and every one of its additions is excisable.

Now, no criminal charges will be filed against it at this time and it will be released on its own recognizance for a six-month period of psychometric probation, to include monthly review by an ICC psychiatric technician. These proceedings are closed.

Capt.Whorebags posted:

I was Thinking About Aliens and decided to fire up Aliens3. Unfortunately Disney+ is the theatrical cut.

I only just noticed that Ripley's rank is Lieutenant, is there any discussion in the expanded universe about the promotion from Warrant Officer? I thought she boarded the Sulaco as a civilian.

SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

remove

Parkingtigers posted:

Another thing that I didn't like about Alien 3 (and I honestly can't remember it being specific to the assembly cut or not), is that the company lets that one random prisoner survive. They abandon Fury 151, taking that one remaining prisoner with them (presumably to a different prison elsewhere), and even just his story about the existence of a deadly and hostile alien is going to be bad for WY at some point for a bunch of reasons.

Really feels like him not getting killed makes the company seem... not so bad after all?

85 hitting not-Bishop out of the blue and getting shot is also a bit... "why?" for me. I know he's not the sharpest tool in the box, but not-Bishop isn't even the one who fired a gun at Ripley and the prisoner, walloping him just got himself killed. His constant talk about his wife and kid shows he wanted to survive and go back to his own life, and suddenly attacking the company guy who has armed commandos surrounding him is more suicidal than most of the stuff they did facing off against the alien.

Yeah, people do dumb things, the last couple of years really proves that point, but still... doesn't sit right with me. Guy could do nothing and go home, probably with a promotion for being helpful to the company.

Sentinel Red posted:

Maybe my eyes are a bit hosed but the I thought the Bluray looked great in terms of detail, is a UHD really necessary? That said, I’ve not seen the new Alien release some have been going gaga for.

Dunno, I just find it all diminishing returns a bit. I saw Godzilla v Kong at both 1080 and 4k and couldn’t really tell the difference. It doesn’t feel like the jumps that VHS to DVD to Bluray was.

Parkingtigers posted:

Another thing that I didn't like about Alien 3 (and I honestly can't remember it being specific to the assembly cut or not), is that the company lets that one random prisoner survive. They abandon Fury 151, taking that one remaining prisoner with them (presumably to a different prison elsewhere), and even just his story about the existence of a deadly and hostile alien is going to be bad for WY at some point for a bunch of reasons.

Really feels like him not getting killed makes the company seem... not so bad after all?

85 hitting not-Bishop out of the blue and getting shot is also a bit... "why?" for me. I know he's not the sharpest tool in the box, but not-Bishop isn't even the one who fired a gun at Ripley and the prisoner, walloping him just got himself killed. His constant talk about his wife and kid shows he wanted to survive and go back to his own life, and suddenly attacking the company guy who has armed commandos surrounding him is more suicidal than most of the stuff they did facing off against the alien.

Yeah, people do dumb things, the last couple of years really proves that point, but still... doesn't sit right with me. Guy could do nothing and go home, probably with a promotion for being helpful to the company.

Neo Rasa posted:

Sounds like they ripped off Lily C.A.T.

BiggerBoat posted:

I remember watching Aliens a few years back for the first time in forever without realizing it was the special edition and wondering why in the hell it was so slow and boring. The person I was watching it with had never seen it and after about an hour asked me if there were any aliens in this movie.

Capt.Whorebags posted:

I was Thinking About Aliens and decided to fire up Aliens3.

mudskipp posted:

Ali3 n 3
......\_/




It was supposed to be alittle face

skasion posted:

Merchant-Ivory drama, but a Predator shows up

Parkingtigers posted:

Alien ᗡ===3

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I might play Fireteam later if anyone wants to join.