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I don’t think that statement is true, as it took I think 4 cycles during the last “attack” on my playthrough to get the item needed and I was checking them all before anything happened that would have destroyed it. The rest of the attacks did have at least one needed item per cycle.
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Sep 5, 2021 12:47
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CuwiKhons posted:As an extreme introvert myself, I'm fine with being left alone for 99% of the time but sometimes you do feel the rare urge to interact with people, only now it's weird to do so because you've spent so long avoiding it. You don't want to the interaction to just be "wow, look who's finally coming around to talk to everyone," so you wait for people to come to you, only they don't. Ouch, that hit way too close to home.
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Sep 5, 2021 13:30
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Otto talk Personally I'm really not sure where people are getting the "sociopath Otto" angle from, at all. Nothing about him really suggests that would be the case. There's nothing to suggest he doesn't care about other people, or is particularly manipulative or anything of the sort. If anything, given that the whole fight took place 20 years ago, he seems to be the most healthy of the bunch given that while he regrets things, he was able to move past it and not let it consume him. He also seems to be an introverted fellow who would prefer to tinker with machines all day, but that's okay. That's not any kind of pathology. He's still an active contributor to the psychonaut mission which is more than you can say for, well... any of the other Psychic Six, really, although we don't really have a good idea of how Truman is really doing since he spends the entire game out of commission.
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Sep 5, 2021 13:40
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Truman isn't one of the Psychic Six though As for Otto he just came across as a dude who loves inventing stuff, has some regrets over the past but has moved on based on his understanding of events and has dedicated his life to improving various aspects of psychonauting. He has his own lab due to his pull and performance, and the dude seems happy to tinker in relative quiet and entertain a guest every once in a while
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Otto talk Personally I'm really not sure where people are getting the "sociopath Otto" angle from, at all. Nothing about him really suggests that would be the case. There's nothing to suggest he doesn't care about other people, or is particularly manipulative or anything of the sort. If anything, given that the whole fight took place 20 years ago, he seems to be the most healthy of the bunch given that while he regrets things, he was able to move past it and not let it consume him. He also seems to be an introverted fellow who would prefer to tinker with machines all day, but that's okay. That's not any kind of pathology. He's still an active contributor to the psychonaut mission which is more than you can say for, well... any of the other Psychic Six, really, although we don't really have a good idea of how Truman is really doing since he spends the entire game out of commission. Truman was never a member of the Psychic Six, you are thinking of Bob, his uncle.
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Sep 5, 2021 13:50
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That post originally said ... of the other regular crew..., but then I edited part of it before posting to say the other thing and didn't go back and change the implication. Derp. Point about Otto stands, I think.
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Sep 5, 2021 13:56
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I think I would definitely like a DLC mission focusing on, say, getting Helmut's body back.
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I really hope if we get a sequel or dlc we finally get Bob and Helmut get to actually kiss. I think Double Fine is good for it and it makes 100% why it didn't happen cause not his lips and all that, but it's a thing you see so rarely in games and their relationship is so sweet.
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Sep 5, 2021 14:00
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CoolCab posted:the line i wasn't expecting them to get away with was "yeah, they used to get high up there". definitely would not have made it in the original, had a moment to go gently caress me has the world changed in sixteen years. There's a joke in the hotel room where if you talk to Lizzie and Adam a bunch Raz mentions that his parents' favorite drink is a "Tumble in the Hay," which they would often sneak off to have after shows. That one caught me off-guard big time and got a big laugh. Also good on Raz's parents for a healthy amount of fuckin'.
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Sep 5, 2021 14:01
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also on Otto there is at least one person he probably talks to besides Raz, Sasha, and possibly occasional check-ins from Hollis and Truman: Gisu, since he's apparently her mentor (see: the Psychoseismometer sidequest she gives you)
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kidcoelacanth posted:There's a joke in the hotel room where if you talk to Lizzie and Adam a bunch Raz mentions that his parents' favorite drink is a "Tumble in the Hay," which they would often sneak off to have after shows. That one caught me off-guard big time and got a big laugh. Also good on Raz's parents for a healthy amount of fuckin'. It was "Tumble in the Nets" but yeah. Also, they have five kids so I don't doubt they're getting up to a lot of shenanigans.
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Sep 5, 2021 14:04
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kidcoelacanth posted:There's a joke in the hotel room where if you talk to Lizzie and Adam a bunch Raz mentions that his parents' favorite drink is a "Tumble in the Hay," which they would often sneak off to have after shows. That one caught me off-guard big time and got a big laugh. Also good on Raz's parents for a healthy amount of fuckin'. The family gets some good lines. Like, mid-game you find Dad trying to light a pinecone (With the intern that gives you the "Picture the hottest thing you can imagine." "I'll imagine your mother."
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I just learned today that when you're fighting a Judge, if you're as annoyed as I was having to use Mental Connection to interrupt attacks, psi-blast when they're vulnerable, dodge-combo in some punches after slowing them down, etc. to whittle down their life bar... you can just telekinesis their mallet, throw it at them, and delete half their health bar. I think you get bonus damage if you pyrokinesis them first, since the mallet gets set on fire. The whole fight changes now that I know that, multiple-judge fights or even multiple-panic attack fights-with-a-judge are way easier knowing this. the only bad enemy in this game is the enabler. There is no loving reason why a buff-role enemy should have an impossible-to-read melee attack, perfect psi-blast dodging, and can continue that perfect dodge after [b]i have set them on loving fire with pyrokinesis, causing them to run in panic like every other enemy I destroy with psi-blast after setting them on fire
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Sep 5, 2021 15:42
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Still kinda miffed that there is absolutely no resolution for learning that "Nona" is actually the person that killed Augustus' parents/Raz's grandparents as well as a whole bunch of other people. Like the game just goes "Well, she's good now, let's just forget about the whole thing. Also, for the enabler, just use time bubble to slow them down, can't dodge stuff then. Set them on fire as well for good measure.
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Sep 5, 2021 15:53
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CoolCab posted:the line i wasn't expecting them to get away with was "yeah, they used to get high up there". definitely would not have made it in the original, had a moment to go gently caress me has the world changed in sixteen years. I'm pretty sure he clarifies it as "elevation" and not "drugs" in the next line, sadly. Speaking of lines, has anyone else had a bug where lines of dialogue start and then immediately skip to the next one. FireWorksWell fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 16:13
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FireWorksWell posted:I'm pretty sure he clarifies it as "elevation" and not "drugs" in the next line, sadly. 
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Sep 5, 2021 16:15
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Otto talk Personally I'm really not sure where people are getting the "sociopath Otto" angle from, at all. Nothing about him really suggests that would be the case. There's nothing to suggest he doesn't care about other people, or is particularly manipulative or anything of the sort. If anything, given that the whole fight took place 20 years ago, he seems to be the most healthy of the bunch given that while he regrets things, he was able to move past it and not let it consume him. He also seems to be an introverted fellow who would prefer to tinker with machines all day, but that's okay. That's not any kind of pathology. He's still an active contributor to the psychonaut mission which is more than you can say for, well... any of the other Psychic Six, really, although we don't really have a good idea of how Truman is really doing since he spends the entire game out of commission. It’s the fact that his detachment isn’t just historical as others have suggested. Even in Ford’s memory vaults which show the opening of the Motherlobe, not long after the Maligula incident, the team all look morose but Otto is just as chuffed as can be. Now you can make the argument that he’s just more well balanced and that’s why he isn’t hung up on it 20 years later but even 20 years ago he seemed remarkably blase about the whole thing.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:17
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Broken Cog posted:
They absolutely can still dodge perfectly when time slowed, it sucks.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:17
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Broken Cog posted:Still kinda miffed that there is absolutely no resolution for learning that "Nona" is actually the person that killed Augustus' parents/Raz's grandparents as well as a whole bunch of other people. Like the game just goes "Well, she's good now, let's just forget about the whole thing. Again, if you talk to Ford and Nona post game, they explicitly say THIS IS a conversation that is going to happen, as well as the fact that they're going to have to pull Augustus aside and clear the air/find some kind of resolution that everyone can agree to. It is not being ignored or disregarded, the communications and steps taken just have not happened yet because the post-game is literally the next morning after. Obviously Ford has a pretty hefty bias here, but I doubt that Truman's just gonna ignore it either considering even he wasn't aware that Lucy was still alive
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Sep 5, 2021 16:22
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Mix. posted:Again, if you talk to Ford and Nona post game, they explicitly say THIS IS a conversation that is going to happen, as well as the fact that they're going to have to pull Augustus aside and clear the air/find some kind of resolution that everyone can agree to. It is not being ignored or disregarded, the communications and steps taken just have not happened yet because the post-game is literally the next morning after. Obviously Ford has a pretty hefty bias here, but I doubt that Truman's just gonna ignore it either considering even he wasn't aware that Lucy was still alive I'll believe it when I see it. This isn't just a family matter either, Lucy is borderline a war criminal. Where do they even hang out postgame? I couldn't find them.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:28
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Sep 5, 2021 16:31
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Broken Cog posted:I'll believe it when I see it. This isn't just a family matter either, Lucy is borderline a war criminal. Same place they were before you completed the Green Needle Gulch minds, that building over the water by the Heptadome
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Sep 5, 2021 16:33
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thecluckmeme posted:Same place they were before you completed the Green Needle Gulch minds, that building over the water by the Heptadome Yeah, I found them, and it really feels like they are trying to handwave the whole thing away. Not a fan of the direction they took that. Edit: It worked for Oleander in the first game, because he was basically just a comic book villain, stealing kid's brains and putting them in psychic battle tanks, and more importantly: He didn't actually kill anyone. Lucy is just a mass murderer, there is nothing funny about her at all. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 16:37
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, I found them, and it really feels like they are trying to handwave the whole thing away. Not a fan of the direction they took that. No, she's a victim as much as anyone, did you not pay attention? She went to war at a time when she was a psychologically-fragile and inexperienced young woman, and the Gsar turned her into Maligula. She had no control of what she was doing, she was overwhelmed by the inner aspect of her flight-or-fight response running free.
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Oleander was also suffering from massive amounts of psitanium exposure which makes unstable people more unstable. The history tree log in the first game mentions that the lake used to be a town before it was flooded by the government because most of the town was going nuts. Grwt place for a summer camp
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where do bob and helmut hang out in the postgame? Or did they already leave on holiday? Also, after the second level (hollis' gamble stravaganza), Raz has a conversation about what he has learned from that escapade. Does Hollis have a different answer for each option? The game autosaved before I could reload, I'm curious which dialogue choices she considers a 'good' answer.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:47
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Neddy Seagoon posted:No, she's a victim as much as anyone, did you not pay attention? She went to war at a time when she was a psychologically-fragile and inexperienced young woman, and the Gsar turned her into Maligula. She had no control of what she was doing, she was overwhelmed by the inner aspect of her flight-or-fight response running free. Yeah, that's Ford excusing her actions, and it's a really lovely excuse for what she did. Edit: it could work if she didn't murder a bunch of people, killing peaceful protesters and whatever. It has too many bad connections to real life to deserve a redemption arch. Edit2: It's kinda like saying "My actions doesn't matter because I was on drugs." Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Sep 5, 2021 16:47
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, that's Ford excusing her actions, and it's a really lovely excuse for what she did. She demonstrably had no control over what she was doing with Nona overwhelmed by Maligula inside her own head.
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Sep 5, 2021 16:50
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Neddy Seagoon posted:She demonstrably had no control over what she was doing with Nona overwhelmed by Maligula inside her own head. Which is the most artificial identity here? Maligula, or Nona?
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It sounds like a lot of this can be discussed and resolved if a third game would take place in Grulovia. Involve Raz’s family, have Nona make amends with her home country and get Ford to realize the extent of what he’s done, find Helmut’s body… I’d be down for a Grulovia adventure. Probably wouldn’t have to be any different from the woodsy forests of the first two games anyway.
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, that's Ford excusing her actions, and it's a really lovely excuse for what she did. We don't know the 'real' conditions she was in 20 years ago. What we do know is during the confrontation with Maligula, and there we do see two personality aspects fight each other, one a bloodthirsty rampaging monster and the other a protector of her (raised) family and her old friends. We do not know if Ford is at all speaking the truth about the origin of Maligula (the Czar or their experiments or something else) but there being two extremely conflicting personalities is clearly true.
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Broken Cog posted:I'll believe it when I see it. This isn't just a family matter either, Lucy is borderline a war criminal. The following statements are not entirely connected one to the other because it's very late in my day and I can't string my disparate thoughts together well. Maligula is a war criminal, Lucy is a victim who was exposed to a lot of psychic trauma while in a very psychically sensitive state, and dissociated into a magnification of the fight-or-flight reflex to protect herself, before having her brain literally blasted into another shape by the coward Ford Cruller. The people who need to be punished for Maligula's actions are, in order, Maligula (Who has been), the Gzar of Grulovia, Gristol (Both of whom have gotten off very lightly), and Ford Cruller (Whose escape into fragmented personalities may or may not constitute sufficient self-inflicted punishment). Lucy comes a distant fifth at best. While the similarity is tenuous at best, attempting to prosecute Nona for Maligula's actions would be similar to prosecuting Truman for Gristol's actions while in his skull.
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, that's Ford excusing her actions, and it's a really lovely excuse for what she did. it's not an "excuse," you dingbat. she'd had her psyche literally drilled open just before going off to try and use her superhero clout to quell unrest in her home nation, and the vulnerability of those experiments plus the trauma of what her superiors made her do caused a psychotic break that led to maligula's takeover. yes, there's some psychic science mumbo jumbo mixed in there, but the game takes sufficient measures to clarify that "maligula" is a runaway id that hijacked lucrecia's mind after a severely traumatic moment e: and you haven't even bothered with postgame yet? go find augustus at the top of the QA's waterfall, that gives plenty of closure about his feelings towards nona Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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double nine posted:where do bob and helmut hang out in the postgame? Or did they already leave on holiday? They're in the Nerve Center.
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Broken Cog posted:I'll believe it when I see it. This isn't just a family matter either, Lucy is borderline a war criminal. Here's my question What does it matter? What purpose this thirst for meaningless retribution? They're both doddering old people now. Their lives are over and ruined by their own actions. In Lucy's case, her own accidents and her subsequent coercion by her head of state. What exactly are you looking to accomplish here and why?
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Dareon posted:The following statements are not entirely connected one to the other because it's very late in my day and I can't string my disparate thoughts together well. or to use a more pertinent example: if forsyth had gambled away the rest of the mother lobe's funding while sasha and milla got mulched by security, then who's to blame - her, or raz? that's the irony at the core of psychonauts 2's story and the biggest connecting thread between the game's otherwise pretty disparate halves. raz spends the opening act getting a hard lesson in the responsibility that comes with being a psychonaut, only to learn that the psychic 7 were doing this poo poo to each other constantly, with even more disastrous results
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Oxxidation posted:it's not an "excuse," you dingbat. she'd had her psyche literally drilled open just before going off to try and use her superhero clout to quell unrest in her home nation, and the vulnerability of those experiments plus the trauma of what her superiors made her do caused a psychotic break that led to maligula's takeover. yes, there's some psychic science mumbo jumbo mixed in there, but the game takes sufficient measures to clarify that "maligula" is a runaway id that hijacked lucrecia's mind after a severely traumatic moment Yes yes, trauma excuses horrible actions, age resolves all sins. The issue I have is that Lucy's (or Maligula's or Nona's) actions shouldn't be excusable with "Psychic mumbo jumbo" or whatever. They were legitimately horrible actions that hit too close to reality. As I said, there is nothing funny about her, it's like saying that someone should be excused for murder if they did under inflence of drugs. And Ford should definitely answer for what he did as well, but it really doesn't seem like it's moving in that direction at all. Guess it's up to Truman, he seems like the only somewhat sensible person at that whole agency. Captain Oblivious posted:Here's my question Some resolution. Right now we have "We'll talk about it *wink wink*" from Ford, and "I need some time to think about it" from Augustus. Really nothing big, though Augustus is probably the biggest victim in all of this.
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Broken Cog posted:Edit2: It's kinda like saying "My actions doesn't matter because I was on drugs." I feel like this is an incredibly harsh interpretation given if anything, the Lucy/Maligula stuff is an analog to a dissociative disorder. She literally created another personality through trauma. e: As well, The protesters we -know- she killed, was purely by accident, and is what triggered her break. You can maybe argue that she should have to answer for that, but again, she was being manipulated by the Gzar. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Sep 5, 2021 |
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Broken Cog posted:Yes yes, trauma excuses horrible actions, age resolves all sins. The issue I have is that Lucy's (or Maligula's or Nona's) actions shouldn't be excusable with "Psychic mumbo jumbo" or whatever. They were legitimately horrible actions that hit too close to reality. As I said, there is nothing funny about her, it's like saying that someone should be excused for murder if they did under inflence of drugs. Kinda dodging the question here. What kind of resolution? Does it not count as resolution if it's not the kind you want because that seems to be what you're implying.
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