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OwlFancier posted:Well there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, and horror is the known unknowns, otherwise it's sci fi. You watch those forbidden ritual phrases, lest we have zombie Rumsfeld bursting from the grave and dragging us back to
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Neito posted:It's also this weird reverence to the idea of Genres as sacred categories, rather than helpful tags that describe what happens to give you an idea of what's going to happen. It's like the perscriptavist vs descriptavist debate, but even dumber. I had a friendly argument with a friend on a performing arts course when I described "The Crow" as an action movie. Her point was basically that the film a gothic fantasy rather than an action movie, mine was that it had too many gunfights not to be an action movie and that being an action movie doesn't mean it can't also be a gothic fantasy or whatever. A lot of people latch onto the idea of genres being a singular thing, and it's stupid. I think it's to do with people thinking "I'm not interested in genre X, so if I like film Y, it can't be genre X." Some of my favorite films can't be lumped into one genre, or are so good that the genre they're in is irrelevant to just how great they are. "Predator" is basically a slasher film, but it's also a kickass action flick. "The Thing" is a horror film done with so much skill and effort at every level that it transcends the genre. Basically, genres are a guideline, not a rule.
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Becomes especially clear when talking about video game genres, which are a total mess of trappings, mechanics and subgenres with distinct examples but very fuzzy lines between them. And doesn't help that the norm for mainstream games now is to basically try to cram in every genre at once.
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Sunswipe posted:I had a friendly argument with a friend on a performing arts course when I described "The Crow" as an action movie. Her point was basically that the film a gothic fantasy rather than an action movie, mine was that it had too many gunfights not to be an action movie and that being an action movie doesn't mean it can't also be a gothic fantasy or whatever. A lot of people latch onto the idea of genres being a singular thing, and it's stupid. I think it's to do with people thinking "I'm not interested in genre X, so if I like film Y, it can't be genre X." Some of my favorite films can't be lumped into one genre, or are so good that the genre they're in is irrelevant to just how great they are. "Predator" is basically a slasher film, but it's also a kickass action flick. "The Thing" is a horror film done with so much skill and effort at every level that it transcends the genre. I see genres as more of a "here's the type of content to expect" sorta thing. Like Shaun of the Dead could be considered a horror movie, but more people would likely call it a romantic comedy featuring zombies.
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Some people just get way too into classifications of things that can't be easily fit into specific boxes. See: the existence of tv tropes.
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Kruller posted:I see genres as more of a "here's the type of content to expect" sorta thing. Like Shaun of the Dead could be considered a horror movie, but more people would likely call it a romantic comedy featuring zombies. The eternal debate of if Neon Genesis Evangelion "counts as a Mecha" show shows that nerd fights are turtles all the way down.
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rydiafan posted:How did you guess?!?! Look at her website and see how much you respect her judgement then.
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Kruller posted:I see genres as more of a "here's the type of content to expect" sorta thing. Like Shaun of the Dead could be considered a horror movie, but more people would likely call it a romantic comedy featuring zombies. Yea that's really what it comes down to, genre classifications are for before you see the movie as way to give you some idea of what you're in for. After you've seen the movie they're worthless. You've seen it already, you've experienced it, there's no need to categorize it or specifically define it.
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Beachcomber posted:Look at her website and see how much you respect her judgement then. Jesus, that literally made my eyes hurt.
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OwlFancier posted:Well there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, and horror is the known unknowns, otherwise it's sci fi. LOL I was going to post about the Donald Rumsfeld School of Horror Film Critique. FreudianSlippers posted:Whose gonna testify against a known mobster who just killed someone for essentially no reason? That's true but it seems to me any cops investigating it wouldn't have a tremendously hard time identifying who was at the dinner/casino. They wouldn't even need anyone to testify if they checked out the casino's security footage. It seemed like one of the more easily solved murders in the show. Also, now that I'm thinking about it, the FBI had Adriana as an informant who was last met with the idea of getting Christopher into the WPP and then she just vanished. I know she wasn't wearing a wire but it's not real hard to figure out what happened to her. Pussy WAS wearing a wire and the feds were still all just "welp, that's that I guess". I suppose you can argue that there's still no hard evidence but none of the FBI even used these disappearances to even LEAN on Tony or Chris.
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You mean the FBI agents who were regularly eating at Satriale's and had been almost completely retasked to terrorism stuff? I haven't watched the show since it was being broadcast for the first time but I thought Tony especially was in reasonably well with the feds, only getting pinched when it was clear-cut interstate crime like the plane tickets.
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The FBI's lack of reaction to Adriana's disappearance is partly to emphasis how little she meant to them. The Sopranos was not interested in having people think the Feds were square-jawed heroes trying to build a better world.
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I like the part in The Wire where McNulty's FBI buddy goes "Sorry we don't care about organized crime anymore because of 9/11. Can't help you."
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Memento posted:Considering how much emphasis was placed on learning "Stop, Drop and Roll", I assumed I would have been on fire a lot more times than I have* at this point in my life. I know right? I've only caught on fire a half dozen times at the most. Seriously though, I assumed that everyone was in danger of burning to death all the time when I was a kid. It seemed like every other day would be a lecture on stop, drop, and roll. I did catch on fire once but it was just a little bit and I knew to smother the fire instead of running around like a crazy person so I didn't get hurt. I guess it was useful information.
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war movie medics have the worst triage always use 100% of their bandages/suture/morphine on every single casualty whether its a toe splinter or loss of both arms i know its for script reasons, but still
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You're right, there are way too many scenes where they'll just put the entire roll of gauze on the wound rather than unrolling it and tearing off a piece.
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mostlygray posted:I know right? I've only caught on fire a half dozen times at the most. It probably is one of those things you want to hammer into people early, because panic can cause much more damage than a single accident. We've all seen how people wildly overreacting to even a minor problem can make everything much worse. Catching fire was probably more of an everyday problem when everyone smoked all the time, too. But it's still not exactly an uncommon hazard, between fireplaces, stoves, campfires, barbeques...
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Or when people regularly cleaned their clothes with gasoline, a fact I still have difficulty understanding
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mostlygray posted:I know right? I've only caught on fire a half dozen times at the most. Same way when I was like 8 I thought the Bermuda triangle was a huge thing that would affect my entire life. I miss that excitement when I was fully convinced that at some point I'd have to deal with an alien abduction of myself or someone I knew. Life is insane now with Trump and climate change and the pandemic but it's so mundane and boring and exhausting. Not at all what I thought my life would be.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Where would a haunted butthole fit? The real horror is what would fit in a haunted butthole. Also there needed to be a season of The Wire where they were assigned as lifeguards, so someone could say "Very first light, chief, Omar comin'".
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Just watched 'Annette' last night and wow. I knew the basic premise but had no idea that it was literally a musical with music by the brothers from Sparks. I feel like if you know that bit of info going in you're a lot more prepared. It's for sure a deliberate artistic choice, but by half-way through the movie I got really tired of how it CONSTANTLY tells instead of showing. There's literally a song where the couple at the center of the movie sing, over and over again, "We love each other so much". The music is literal to the point of being like one of those Literal Video Versions on YouTube. Another obviously deliberate but off-putting choice: the weird doll baby. I get that a real human baby could not do the things they needed that character to do, so I reckon they realized that without the budget to do it properly with CGI, they leaned into how artificial it was by making it a literal marionette. The movie feels really long. It's 2hrs 20mins and I was checking my watch about 45 minutes in. Also I couldn't help but wonder how Bo Burnham felt about getting obviously spoofed / called out like he is by Adam Driver's character. Imagined has a new favorite as of 14:04 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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rydiafan posted:Jesus, that literally made my eyes hurt. I loaded it and it was black and white, but there were lots of gaps, so I turned noscript off and it was like the nuclear bomb scene from terminator.
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Barudak posted:Or when people regularly cleaned their clothes with gasoline, a fact I still have difficulty understanding Lice were a lot more common then.
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BiggerBoat posted:That's true but it seems to me any cops investigating it wouldn't have a tremendously hard time identifying who was at the dinner/casino. They wouldn't even need anyone to testify if they checked out the casino's security footage. It seemed like one of the more easily solved murders in the show. I rewatched the Sopranos for the first time since it originally aired recently and there are a ton of threads that they leave hanging like this where you think there will be some sort of story consequences for their actions but they just sort of drop them without comment. There's the bug in the lamp, the russian in the woods, that waiter murder outside the casino, Adriana and the feds, etc. I realized at some point that the showrunners weren't really interested in a cops and robbers style story and were much more focused on how the characters lived in this really insular bubble where they only ever sort of brush up against the outside world occasionaly, and then its done as a way to highlight the character interactions. Like, the scene being discussed about the casino murder was about the passive aggressive power struggle between Paulie and Christopher that gets partially resolved by them committing a murder together. The outside world intruded on their argument and had to be destroyed. It was really interesting revisiting this show years after I'd first seen it and thought it was just cool gangsters doing cool gangster poo poo. On the rewatch it was much more obvious that it was a show about these super weird, violent throwbacks who's worldview was warped due to being cut off from the rest of society. I remember thinking that Dr Melfi was some 90's post modern gimmick character, like isn't it wacky a mob boss is in therapy?! But I realized that she served as a tether for Tony's connection to the rest of humanity and the show was him alternating between rejecting and clinging to that tether. Such a good show. I'm pretty excited for The Many Saints of Newark and hopefully it lives up to the expectations. For thread content: People in thriller moves realizing that poo poo is getting heavy and they ask their criminal connected buddy if they know where they can get a gun. Motherfucker this is America, you can go to a store
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800peepee51doodoo posted:For thread content: People in thriller moves realizing that poo poo is getting heavy and they ask their criminal connected buddy if they know where they can get a gun. Motherfucker this is America, you can go to a store
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800peepee51doodoo posted:For thread content: People in thriller moves realizing that poo poo is getting heavy and they ask their criminal connected buddy if they know where they can get a gun. Motherfucker this is America, you can go to a store
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That Italian Guy posted:I guess most of the time the characters are either unable to legally purchase a gun because of their past troubles with the law or they don't want it to be traceable if they have to use it (because they don't want their involvement with the shady people they've killed to become known to the authorities). This wildly overestimates both how hard it is to get a gun and how traceable said gun is.
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Captain Monkey posted:This wildly overestimates both how hard it is to get a gun and how traceable said gun is. Movies and TV tend to be made in (or by people from) states with tougher laws, even when set in places that don't. A lot of cop shows will have the police checking for registered guns even if set in a place without a registration law, for example, because the writers live in a place that has one.
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Plus all the CSI-type shows have established in most people's minds that tracing a gun from a single bullet is a piece of cake.
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At the pharmacy we actually have to warn about fire safety a lot because if you use certain emollient creams, and they sink into your clothing like your sleeve cuffs or whatever, and then you get that bit close to an open flame, things can go very bad very fast. Also a few Christmases ago my sister's hair caught fire as she leaned over the table. She thought the candle was out. I patted the small flames out with my hands without even thinking. Didn't get burned though!
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I had a welder who was doing some outside work in the winter. Because it was so cold, he was wearing four layers. Because he was wearing four layers, he didn’t realize slag had caught his pants on fire until they were fully involved. The fire watch was keeping an eye on the stuff beneath him, not him, and totally missed that this dudes pants were all the way the gently caress on fire.
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At least you learned he wasn't trustworthy.
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"The Old Ways" - it was a kind of decent possession movie in like the first 3 quarters, but the ending was just silly. Like imagine if in The Exorcist, after the little girl got the demon out of her she just declared "i'm a loving exorcist" in a trying-to-sound-badass voice and took over the real exorcist's job. That's pretty much how this one went. It's irrational because on one hand I'm sure becoming a "bruja" in remote villages only takes being committed and weird enough to convince people, but I kept finding myself thinking "come on, there's got to be more to it than just putting spooky makeup on". She didn't even go to school for it.
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rydiafan posted:At least you learned he wasn't trustworthy. 
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What is with the obsession with Elvis impersonators even now in 2021, especially in kids media? The guy died almost fifty years ago and yet every single loving movie, show, commercial, etc made for children will eventually have an Elvis impersonator walk in and apparently that in and of itself is the joke with the laugh track reaching a crescendo.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What is with the obsession with Elvis impersonators even now in 2021, especially in kids media? The guy died almost fifty years ago and yet every single loving movie, show, commercial, etc made for children will eventually have an Elvis impersonator walk in and apparently that in and of itself is the joke with the laugh track reaching a crescendo. The Elvis thing is just inherently funny now. The silly hair, the jumpsuit, the goofy voice. It doesn't matter that it's an impression. Everyone around when it was considered cool is long dead.
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Elvis is like Napoleon, it's an entire persona that exists on its own accord. And for Elvis, that is at least deliberate.
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Why exactly is Morpheus tagging along with Neo on his way to the Source? He has nothing to do and somehow does less than nothing.
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I'm just so exhausted with how often the mere appearance of an Elvis or someone dressed like Elvis is treated as the entire joke.
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