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fadam posted:Llanowar Visionary if you're like me and remember it as a 3/3 instead of a 2/2 lol. Disregard previous statement. also it was a common lol
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Lone Goat posted:also it was a common lol lol drat I'm dumb  This is cool. Even the second floor of 5 mana for a 3/3 haste guy that Snapcasters a 3cmc spell seems good to me. fadam fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Sep 7, 2021 17:08
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The white adversary is the only one where you get jack poo poo if your opponent kills you after you pay the cost, right?
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goferchan posted:The white adversary is the only one where you get jack poo poo if your opponent kills you after you pay the cost, right? So far, I think W is the anthem effect, B is zombies, U is phases, R is the Snapcaster and I don't think we've seen the G one yet. So yes, lol. I still think the White one is pretty good, probably even the best mana sink of them all maybe, and it also works arguably the best in multiples. fadam fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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fadam posted:lol drat I'm dumb More like a 2 mana 3/3 haste guy that Snapcasters a 3cmc spell, since Adversary lets you cast it for free
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Devor posted:More like a 2 mana 3/3 haste guy that Snapcasters a 3cmc spell, since Adversary lets you cast it for free True, but I guess you need the mana up front.
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Every Adversary has been an absolute banger, really want to see the green one and get these into my cube ASAP.
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Delver back, he's a moth now https://twitter.com/JavierDmagic/status/1435280013360762882
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Cactrot posted:Delver back, he's a moth now I don't like the art
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Griselbrand at home: https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1435271220577067011
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I love the flavor of that moth dude.
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mcmagic posted:I don't like the art Yeah old art is better. So this adds Delver to Pioneer and Historic, I don't think it will be particularly good in either of those formats though, they don't have the tools to protect it like Legacy has.
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Sinteres posted:I love the flavor of that moth dude. definitely another clue towards emrakul corrupting everything
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Was delver powerful in limited? just wondering about the rarity change.
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Not that anyone probably thought this but lol Brainstorm ain't coming back to historic any time soon
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Cactrot posted:Delver back, he's a moth now 
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neaden posted:Yeah old art is better. So this adds Delver to Pioneer and Historic, I don't think it will be particularly good in either of those formats though, they don't have the tools to protect it like Legacy has. Delver is awful in Modern so I doubt it would be good in powered down formats.
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Isn’t delver not even seeing much play in legacy anymore?
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the Orb of Zot posted:Isn’t delver not even seeing much play in legacy anymore? No, It's still one of the best decks like aways.
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I can respect trying something new with an iconic card, but this ain't it chief.
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I’m definitely gonna try just swapping delver for Phoenix in my UR lists. I suspect a bad Darcy is still historic playable.
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I hope we get the current form of the original Delver in one of these two sets. I’ve really enjoyed that progression over time.
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Rinkles posted:Was delver powerful in limited? just wondering about the rarity change. From what I remember it wasnt good at all in 3x isd, and was probably worse when dark ascension was added. With more actual spells matters cards like thermo alchemist it could be better, but that remains to be seen.
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Arivia posted:definitely another clue towards emrakul corrupting everything The ritual is going to free Emrakul who is going to appear and say "I knew you all liked me that's why I was summoned right?" The plot of Crimson Vow will be the interpersonal drama of Emrakul's Vegan option on the menu.
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I know Delver is not nearly the powerhouse it is without the eternal format cards that let you manipulate your library but it does make me giddy to see it reprinted EDIT: It's too bad they didn't make the scientist guy look like Jeff Goldblum just a little bit, given the angle they're going with this one Mike N Eich fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Sep 7, 2021 |
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Bugsy posted:From what I remember it wasnt good at all in 3x isd, and was probably worse when dark ascension was added. With more actual spells matters cards like thermo alchemist it could be better, but that remains to be seen. Delver is insanely bad in limited. Drafting a limited deck with enough spells to actually flip delver even semi-reliably means you end up playing so, so many terrible instants and sorcery cards that could just be beaters
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the Orb of Zot posted:Isn’t delver not even seeing much play in legacy anymore? There's a few delver lists that have gone to 2 delvers or cut delver altogether. It's definitely still around in most lists though
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Bugsy posted:From what I remember it wasnt good at all in 3x isd, and was probably worse when dark ascension was added. With more actual spells matters cards like thermo alchemist it could be better, but that remains to be seen. My guess is that it ends up being a fine build around in draft. I don't think it's unplayable or anything.
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Delver is insanely bad in limited. Drafting a limited deck with enough spells to actually flip delver even semi-reliably means you end up playing so, so many terrible instants and sorcery cards that could just be beaters If there's a format where there's a high density of spells that make creatures! Delver would be fine, but I agree that we haven't seen anything like that so far here. I wonder how good Delver would have been in Strixhaven where you could comfortably play a deck with 15+ Instants and Sorceries.
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https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1435250398395314177 I don't think this has been posted yet - big time LOL on the double pun here
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Mike N Eich posted:https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1435250398395314177 big time  more like
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Mike N Eich posted:https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1435250398395314177 It's sorcery speed?
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Delver is insanely bad in limited. Drafting a limited deck with enough spells to actually flip delver even semi-reliably means you end up playing so, so many terrible instants and sorcery cards that could just be beaters Ux Spells matter is a pretty standard limited archetype that shows up in modern sets though. There aren't that many unplayable spells printed anymore.
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HootTheOwl posted:It's sorcery speed? I guess they don't want to make the flip into a combat trick, so the whole "sac, then if" process has to happen at sorcery speed.
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mcmagic posted:My guess is that it ends up being a fine build around in draft. I don't think it's unplayable or anything. It will remain a trap for people with nostalgia, because spending even one or two picks to "build around" a 3/2 flying will make your overall deck worse. It would need incidental synergy with an already good deck to even be decent. But I'm guessing if you see your opponent cast it, you will be happy, on average.
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ilmucche posted:There's a few delver lists that have gone to 2 delvers or cut delver altogether. It's definitely still around in most lists though
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Devor posted:It will remain a trap for people with nostalgia, because spending even one or two picks to "build around" a 3/2 flying will make your overall deck worse. I'm assuming that there will be a spells matter limited archetype because there usually is.
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Runechanters pike on invisible stalker was my jam. 
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Huxley posted:I guess they don't want to make the flip into a combat trick, so the whole "sac, then if" process has to happen at sorcery speed. I think they don't want to let you sac creatures that you just chump blocked with, or that just ate a kill spell. Or decayed zombies that just attacked.
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