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Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Jose posted:

senior political journalist here quoting boris johnson about the extremely regressive tax they've just proposed. forgot to mention that she works for the generally labour supporting paper

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1435262931239936002?s=20

I realize different slang and word usage but whenever I read something written by an English person I have no problem figuring it out EXCEPT English media. every time I read a British journalists tweets I feel like I’m having a stroke and I can’t tel which side they’re on

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
Should come as no surprise but

https://twitter.com/EliClifton/status/1435304589176225793

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

cool article by Responsible Statecraft, but oh my is that an awful name.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


icantfindaname posted:

Not the NYT but close enough

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters/amp

As long as you are an up and coming prodigy professor at an Ivy League institution liberals will lick 19th century race science off your feet

At one point they name Scott Alexander [Siskind] as part of the "hereditarian left" (a ridiculous term) pretty much because Siskind has claimed that label despite Siskind saying Charles Murray "has some very sophisticated theories about class and culture".

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Vomik posted:

I realize different slang and word usage but whenever I read something written by an English person I have no problem figuring it out EXCEPT English media. every time I read a British journalists tweets I feel like I’m having a stroke and I can’t tel which side they’re on
Neither can they.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

copy posted:

every month somebody has to bear the title of "distendo post" and fatly post a trillion smug, tedious words nobody reads but the appointed shrine tenders must quote. it's one of the traditions that givves this place its personality

lol

Segue
May 23, 2007

icantfindaname posted:

Not the NYT but close enough

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters/amp

As long as you are an up and coming prodigy professor at an Ivy League institution liberals will lick 19th century race science off your feet

This is so absurdly bad I love it:

"When their cohort went to see "Hamilton," the others professed surprise that Harden and Tucker-Drob had enjoyed it, as if their work could be done only by people uncomfortable with an inclusion vision of American History."

Yes, history of rich white racists but with a diverse cast is an "inclusive vision" gently caress off.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015



selling miracle cures/investments has been a gold mine for right wing media for decades

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



president xi, my people yearn for freedom

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/robin__craig/status/1435328348348112903?s=20

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1435259355058917381

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
https://twitter.com/JucheMane/status/1390738076016730113

https://twitter.com/JucheMane/status/1435340006449717261

Lol

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Imagine being such a liberal wiener you get bullied by your own kids.

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys
what the gently caress is even going on in england

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

The slow crushing hopelessness that the sun is set on the empire and it’s never coming back has to weigh on a people I guess

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

the milk machine posted:

what the gently caress is even going on in england

melting down over unable to piggyback on daddy to pointless immoral wars

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

the milk machine posted:

what the gently caress is even going on in england

Transphobia rots you till the point where you look like a character made from the oblivion character creation menu.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

icantfindaname posted:

Not the NYT but close enough

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters/amp

As long as you are an up and coming prodigy professor at an Ivy League institution liberals will lick 19th century race science off your feet

Genes can be very deterministic when you have Huntington's or some other lovely disease, and I'm sure they have some influence on intellect and personality, but if she doesn't see that this research is going to be used to justify every kind of atrocity then she doesn't understand the first thing about the humans she studies.

Goatstein
Dec 4, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Vomik posted:

I realize different slang and word usage but whenever I read something written by an English person I have no problem figuring it out EXCEPT English media. every time I read a British journalists tweets I feel like I’m having a stroke and I can’t tel which side they’re on

They're all on the side of the Establishment: their tweets are working as intended.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
can we get a mod to change the title to media fails or something

PostNouveau posted:

How do I get one of them there fake jobs?

And how long do I need to work one before I can go on disability for my Havana Syndrome?

i work there and

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


friendship ended etc.
https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1435432243149869059

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


I'm sure they know what to do

quote:

The president might also seize the “strategic pause” Manchin has proposed and

NEXT

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
He announced a really regressive tax and this is how the guardians chief political reporter is commenting on it

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1435260859090096136?s=19

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Also the guardian

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1435363852703748099?s=19

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Zeroisanumber posted:

Genes can be very deterministic when you have Huntington's or some other lovely disease, and I'm sure they have some influence on intellect and personality, but if she doesn't see that this research is going to be used to justify every kind of atrocity then she doesn't understand the first thing about the humans she studies.

I mean, why wouldn't they? All sorts of physical characteristics are determined, at least in part, by genetics. Why would the brain be any different?

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

icantfindaname posted:

Not the NYT but close enough

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters/amp

As long as you are an up and coming prodigy professor at an Ivy League institution liberals will lick 19th century race science off your feet

the 'hereditary left' jesus loving christ lol.
theres a supernice quote in that article as well

quote:

Her rhetoric is grand, though the practical implications, insofar as she discusses them, are not far removed from the mid-century social-democratic consensus—the priorities of, say, Hubert Humphrey. If genes play a significant role in educational attainment, then perhaps we ought to design our society such that you don’t need a college degree to secure health care.
all those years of study, a phd, to come up with a 70 years old crumbling idea of social democracy which is now entirely outdated as capital erodes it in front of our very eyes.
and all it took was alienating everybody on the left who was saying the exact same poo poo about how society should be, but didn't say it ~scientifically~ enough
no, its not enough to track educational attainment to parent income/social class and see that it correlates like 1:1. nooo we have to drag polygenic scores into this so some racist jackasses can base their theories of social caste onto it, because social scientists must be idiots who havent thought of doing ~real science~
it is so loving stupid on every level lmao

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

christmas boots posted:

I mean, why wouldn't they? All sorts of physical characteristics are determined, at least in part, by genetics. Why would the brain be any different?

Thing is, our understanding of whether and how this actually works in practice is effectively nonexistent. At the most charitable, this is pure theory, and only used to justify the most horrific abuse and atrocities when put into practice.

Ghost Leviathan has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Sep 8, 2021

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Thing is, our understanding of whether and how this actually works in practice is effectively nonexistent. At the most charitable, this is pure theory, and only used to justify the most horrific abuse and atrocities when put into practice.

I don't think that's true since sequencing the genome. There's been a lot of work done on intelligence since, anyway that doesn't rely on kinship studies.

From my limited understanding, the trick always used by race science weirdos is that intelligence scores between individuals is then extrapolated onto aggregated scores between arbitrarily assigned phenotypes which never hold up scientifically. Ancestry kits have helped feed this idea that you can divide our DNA into five common ancestry races, which is also dumb as hell.

Dreylad has issued a correction as of 14:12 on Sep 8, 2021

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Did anyone post this stupid poo poo yet

https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1434938408896548866

Ah we were so close to rewriting society, nonetheless Manchin and the parliamentarian foiled us again!

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The professor that poo poo on the IQ lady in the New Yorker piece is pretty great

https://twitter.com/deonteleologist/status/1435594191380221964?s=20

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Pryor on Fire posted:

Did anyone post this stupid poo poo yet

https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1434938408896548866

Ah we were so close to rewriting society, nonetheless Manchin and the parliamentarian foiled us again!

Ur gonna feel real dumb when I post some manchin cycle memes at you

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


HashtagGirlboss posted:

The slow crushing hopelessness that the sun is set on the empire and it’s never coming back has to weigh on a people I guess

It's actually that nobody has admitted this has happened and some of them (most journalists and MPs) genuinely suffer under the delusion we're still a first rate power

Their brain either starts to fracture under the strain like Zoe Williams or they settle into a stable but insane myopia like Robert Peston

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



lol drat judith butler is so powerful, the terfs just can’t handle them

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
The Failing New York Times: Sorry - there is no content here.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

christmas boots posted:

I mean, why wouldn't they? All sorts of physical characteristics are determined, at least in part, by genetics. Why would the brain be any different?

We honestly don't understand how genes impact traits like intelligence. We don't even understand the structure and workings of the brain well enough to explain why one person is smarter than another. It's also overly deterministic to say that genes explain accomplishment and behavior and smacks of an obsession with genetic hierarchy that's problematic at best.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1435586235330924547?s=20

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


My neuroscience friend told me that in neural cell gene sequences there's a similar thing to the hypervariable gene sequences of the grabby regions of antibodies.

Which is basically an RNG component where your body generates as many conformations as it can so it's got a tool for any infection.

I don't know if that's true but if so it'd explain why people get up to whatever wild thoughts they get up to.

But like everything to a large extent your genes determine your rough potential and the environment and your response to it determines the actual outcome.

In my case I'm a 400 IQ pimp who took a wrong turning somewhere, probably Sonic the Hedgehog

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Zeroisanumber posted:

We honestly don't understand how genes impact traits like intelligence. We don't even understand the structure and workings of the brain well enough to explain why one person is smarter than another. It's also overly deterministic to say that genes explain accomplishment and behavior and smacks of an obsession with genetic hierarchy that's problematic at best.

We don't even have a way to measure objective intelligence at all beyond IQ tests, which were invented by european social darwinists in the 19th century to justify genociding the entire southern hemisphere and are also unreliable and useless

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The Stanford-Binet test was created to identify students who were falling behind and needed help - a far cry from its subsequent use.

Gould (pbuh) on measuring "intelligence" as a single data point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs

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