Perry Mason Jar posted:

Sure magic's not real but if you're cold and I offer you Ted Bundy's jacket, that he murdered women in, all of a sudden the jacket is a problem!

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Sure magic's not real but if you're cold and I offer you Ted Bundy's jacket, that he murdered women in, all of a sudden the jacket is a problem!

StashAugustine posted:

from hell is fantastic and everyone in this thread should read it. the "gull catchers" afterward kinda ties into the previous conversation about how a lot of these theories are fundamentally inconclusive- the theory presented in the novel is probably false and all we really know about jack the ripper is that several women were brutally murdered and millions more like them lived in horrific poverty, and no one can or will do anything about it

MLSM posted:

I just finished the Jakarta Method and the Devil’s Chessboard, and I’m deciding between Legacy of Ashes, Organized Crime, and CHAOS. “Enemies” is basically the FBI version of Legacy of Ashes (by the same author) from what I understand. Lots of interesting choices about our hosed up country here!

nut posted:

I genuinely still dunno what woo is, is it that major traumatic events are magic spells?

Danger posted:

yes. white chapel, Columbine, 9/11 were blood sacrifices that changed reality, forwards and backwards in time.

crepeface posted:

drat this thread got wild when i forgot about it.

anyway, i think i saw in here there are sites where you can entire the name of a NGO/non-profit/etc and see where they get their funding from. anyone remember it?

gradenko_2000 posted:

Reality is dependent on mass consensus. Traumatic events tear at the fabric of this shared reality and thins the membrane of what separates us and what lies beyond what we've all collectively decided to lock away centuries ago.

Tubgoat posted:

Ted Bundy as an unwilling agent of the jacket sounds like some good controversial fiction.

nut posted:

ya, stick to canoes or small personal aircrafts like you’re used to

Trabisnikof posted:

You’re probably thinking of open secrets, but that’s for political orgs, most non-profits don’t have to disclose donors

gradenko_2000 posted:

Reality is dependent on mass consensus. Traumatic events tear at the fabric of this shared reality and thins the membrane of what separates us and what lies beyond what we've all collectively decided to lock away centuries ago.

Atrocious Joe posted:

Esoterrorists

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

There's a neat theory that money essentially is an abstract ritual, and our participation in the monetary system effectively attaints all of our souls because of what money actually buys in practice. At some point, you earned and spent money, in the same mechanism of exchange that allows the government to buy bombs or worse with those same dollars. Probably a little too high concept for the usual suspects itt who fail to grasp any kind of metaphor or hidden meaning of things, but there it is.

Danger posted:

Read Chaos.

GWBBQ posted:

As usual, there's massive law enforcement incompetence in failing to prevent it, letting shooters get away, shooting randomly in the chaos, and likely killing at least one of the victims. The TCM stuff is a load of horseshit, and the narrative of bullied kids snapping is both a typical authoritarian response allowing for a wave of paranoia to sweep over every school in the country and get law enforcement into schools as well as encourage militarization of law enforcement. It also serves to cover up the larger involvement of white supremacist groups as part of federal law enforcement's growing refusal to acknowledge that they and right-wing militias were a problem around that time. The chan posts by people seeking to myythologize it are just thrown in in a clumsy attempt to create some sort of narrative, and whatever point they're trying to make about The Matrix is laughable.

Trabisnikof posted:

is harnessing the leftover life energy of billions of dead life in order to fly, travel at inhuman speeds, and create works of unparalleled size and scope called necromancy or petroleum engineering in this society i forget

Regulus74 posted:

The more I read the more it furthers my idea that some rich ghouls way above even epstein's paygrade absolutely believe this saturnalia poo poo, and have access to such unfathomable resources and infinite sycophants that they can probably do a great job gulling themselves and others into believing that literal blood magic is real.

crepeface posted:

drat this thread got wild when i forgot about it.

anyway, i think i saw in here there are sites where you can entire the name of a NGO/non-profit/etc and see where they get their funding from. anyone remember it?

mycomancy posted:

Trabisnikof posted:

is harnessing the leftover life energy of billions of dead life in order to fly, travel at inhuman speeds, and create works of unparalleled size and scope called necromancy or petroleum engineering in this society i forget

Trabisnikof posted:

You’re probably thinking of open secrets, but that’s for political orgs, most non-profits don’t have to disclose donors

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Used to be here: http://www.theyrule.net/ but it's down. That's the only one I know of.

Riot Bimbo posted:

I mean obviously agree but if life has traumatized you into a believing only a narrow subset of the stuff that happens to humans is real in a sense that it impacts us materially, you will never ever concede that and it turns out this epic nation, maybe planet sized sized psychic trauma machine has done that to a lot of people.

I think it has trained me to seek materially-oriented answers where possible, to convey to people who can't take the wilder poo poo seriously. Like, power and capital sustaining itself through intensely violent, horrific methods of control isn't in dispute. At least in this subforum, you can point at a book like CIA As Organized Crime to demonstrate these things really aren't up for debate, but the elite deliberately orchestrating mass trauma as part of ritual action strains credulity to some folks because it means that these actions have at least some power in some sense beyond the immediate psychology of participants, and that's such a violation of their worldview that it must be rejected out of hand, even when it factually makes what is otherwise more plainly seen, straight up invisible to them. Like, I'm not even talking about "magic" here, these things don't need magical properties to have power in the sense I'm talking about but that's probably the easiest way to write all of this off if inclined.

In the case of something like 9/11 or Columbine you also have to deal with the fact that for every eye-brow raising bit of information, like the short-selling of airline stocks, or snipers, or witnesses describing gunmen not ever mentioned in official accounts, but extant in witness reports, you have either the stigma of obsessive cults of personality, or wacky harebrained poo poo obfuscating sincere investigation and discussion of events outside of an official narrative. To someone that knows how to look for the signs of malignant information control, that stuff is easy enough to sift to an eventual and frustrating point where speculation must reign in lieu of more evidence coming to light. Usually just enough for an outsider looking at things carefully to go "official story definitely is horseshit" and little more.

But like, for me, when a bunch of stories have this problem of, "wow the official story is clearly papering over some dark and hosed up poo poo I'll never know the truth about", the people conveying these narratives to me start to look less like benign, incompetent, or blindly self-interested parties, and more like metaphorical/literal demons acting in a demonstrably malignant, possibly truly evil-in-a-metaphysical-sense thing going on that makes doing nothing and ignoring this poo poo seem downright immoral in itself? Like passivity becomes tacit approval? And yeah I'm at a point where I mostly don't wanna be on the wrong end of a domestic Phoenix program, but I can see where things are headed regardless, and as a trans lady I don't see the time bought by staying quiet to be worth the spiritual cost? Like I dunno the next decade will be an interesting one and I'm not sure it's gonna leave me much of a human to merely prioritize survival

quote:

Ron Suskind: “In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend—but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.”

“The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

Danger posted: