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Who should get into trouble for that? The players? The Argentine Football Administrators for selecting the players, and/or allowing them to be on the pitch? The Premier League clubs for making them play in England/not giving enough time off so they could do their quarantine in Brazil? Coz any and all of those people should have known about Brazil's quarantine rules long before the match, and either done something about it, or just not be picked for the game. Also, who and what authorities will be doing the charging? FIFA will probably do a little punishing/fining of the teams/countries involved, but more importantly making a false declaration to immigration must surely be a federal crime, (I dunno Brazilian law as well as I should), so the players must surely face some sort of consequences for that. How will this affect their future international travel/work visas?
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were these the same players who decided a 20 person banquet in the middle of lockdown was a good idea? and an even better idea to post the photo to instagram?
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BrigadierSensible posted:Who should get into trouble for that? AIUI the Argentinian FA were trying some rules-lawyering because the Brazilian travel and quarantine regulations had a Copa America exception for travel for elite sportspeople moving within South America, so they had a training camp in Venezuela and travelled in from there. The Brazilian authorities claim that the bans on travel from the UK, SA and India say that there was a specific question about those countries on the immigration forms which the Argentinian players lied about, and that it's this lie is why they're being deported. Now if it were any other match than Brazil v Argentina I'd assume that was the long and short of it and just settle for pointing and laughing at the Argentinian FA, but whenever this game comes up there's some sort of shithousing and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a lot more going on.
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Argentina seem to be trying to do the same rules lawyering to get the players back into the UK without quarantining. First flying them into Croatia and then on to the UK. Surely this is going to attract the ire of the British authorities too.
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Flayer posted:Argentina seem to be trying to do the same rules lawyering to get the players back into the UK without quarantining. First flying them into Croatia and then on to the UK. Surely this is going to attract the ire of the British authorities too. As best I can tell the plan is to go through Croatia so they can spend the 10 days that they would otherwise have to quarantine in a government hotel free to move around and train, and then come back to the UK without quarantining. They still miss 10 days, but at least theyre not stuck in a hotel room.
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This is pretty grim reading. Tons of players basically taking benzos and ambien regularly so they can sleep often related to night matches/international travel and taking a bunch of caffeine before/during matches https://twitter.com/TheAthleticUK/status/1435498386686451716?s=20 quote:Here, The Athletic can reveal:
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Hold up, I gotta slam some benzos to get some sleep before our match against Andorra tomorrow
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The Vardy Slumber Party: Ribena and Phenobarbital
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Vinestalk posted:The Vardy Slumber Party: Ribena and Phenobarbital 
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Don't knock it until you try it, buddy. I hear it's the new favorite drink for season ticket holders at the Emirates.
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Jose posted:This is pretty grim reading. Tons of players basically taking benzos and ambien regularly so they can sleep often related to night matches/international travel and taking a bunch of caffeine before/during matches Okay who's gonna be the first player to do a Jorp and be put into a coma in Russia to kick benzos? My money is on the entire Arsenal team, although they've not really been doing much in the way of long distance travel the last few years.
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Fans set off fireworks outside hotels where the away team is staying, meanwhile the players are all completely knocked out on benzos.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Fans set off fireworks outside hotels where the away team is staying, meanwhile the players are all completely knocked out on benzos. Who profits? Big Pharma and Big Firework. Follow the money. 👀💰
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Jose posted:This is pretty grim reading. Tons of players basically taking benzos and ambien regularly so they can sleep often related to night matches/international travel and taking a bunch of caffeine before/during matches I hope this is being released to coincide with FIFA's dumbass plans for the biennial World Cup, to highlight the toll fixture congestion already takes on top-level players with quadrennial major international tournaments.
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They must have some seriously backwards doctors if they are using benzos as night sedation. Unless there is some performance athlete thing I'm missing you are asking for trouble and withdrawal is awful
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Not surprising really - The NHL had a real problem with players taking a shitload of Sudafed for a while. They've probably just switched to all the drugs mentioned above now though.
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Slotducks posted:Not surprising really - The NHL had a real problem with players taking a shitload of Sudafed for a while. They've probably just switched to all the drugs mentioned above now though. Well it's largely about recovery while sleeping so sudafed and other stimulants would be useless
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Jose posted:Well it's largely about recovery while sleeping so sudafed and other stimulants would be useless The NHL's preferred stimulant is cocaine anyway.
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:They must have some seriously backwards doctors if they are using benzos as night sedation. Unless there is some performance athlete thing I'm missing you are asking for trouble and withdrawal is awful Most (UK) doctors will give you a prescription for a couple of valium if you tell them you're scared of flying and going on a long flight, the combo of anti-anxiety and sleep aid is still pretty much unbeatable if you genuinely are scared of flying, and I assume they started off by (ab)using that, then the fact that almost all clubs now have a doctor on the staff (and said doctors have been sacked just for coming on to the pitch too quickly) I guarantee that they'll have no problem at all getting anything they want prescribed. Are there any legit drugs to help with insomnia between the various antihistamines you can get over the counter and the big bad bennies though? AFAIK anything that helps you get to sleep is potentially abusable and addictive, and I know some of the sleeping pills they use in the US have some pretty severe side effects. Slotducks posted:Not surprising really - The NHL had a real problem with players taking a shitload of Sudafed for a while. They've probably just switched to all the drugs mentioned above now though. Sudafed would be for the stimulant properties though, surely?
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Benzos wouldn't accomplish a restful sleep either. They could do melatonin for the most conservative approach but some people get no benefit and others will get drowsy the following day. There's also trazodone, hydroxyzine, eszopiclone, and zolpidem which are safer than chronic benzo use but come with their own side effects like racist tweeting.
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tramadol during the day and zopiclone during the night would make you pretty much invincible until your hamstring just popped randomly
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:They must have some seriously backwards doctors if they are using benzos as night sedation. Unless there is some performance athlete thing I'm missing you are asking for trouble and withdrawal is awful A lot that article uses benzos and sleeping pills interchangeably. It does differentiate in the part about the manager, but not when speaking generally. There are effects to sleeping pills, but nothing like the blackouts described. goddamnedtwisto posted:Most (UK) doctors will give you a prescription for a couple of valium if you tell them you're scared of flying and going on a long flight, the combo of anti-anxiety and sleep aid is still pretty much unbeatable if you genuinely are scared of flying, and I assume they started off by (ab)using that, then the fact that almost all clubs now have a doctor on the staff (and said doctors have been sacked just for coming on to the pitch too quickly) I guarantee that they'll have no problem at all getting anything they want prescribed. Doctors will give you a fairly low dose for this, though. I wonder what the players are getting. I have been taking Xanax for years, but at 0.25mg or something. That amount a couple of times per week (the article seems to say they're taking them in specific situations, rather than all the time) isn't going to lead to massive problems, imo. goddamnedtwisto posted:Are there any legit drugs to help with insomnia between the various antihistamines you can get over the counter and the big bad bennies though? AFAIK anything that helps you get to sleep is potentially abusable and addictive, and I know some of the sleeping pills they use in the US have some pretty severe side effects. Personally, I have found melatonin helpful. I get it on prescription, not sure about the UK.
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Jel Shaker posted:tramadol during the day and zopiclone during the night would make you pretty much invincible until your hamstring just popped randomly What the gently caress are you on about
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Jel Shaker posted:tramadol during the day lmao
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CyberPingu posted:What the gently caress are you on about He just popped a couple tramadol and he’s feeling invincible
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Melatonin is only available on prescription in the UK, which sucks
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Tsaedje posted:Melatonin is only available on prescription in the UK, which sucks Wait, really?
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Wait, really? Yeah same with Flonase lol
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Wait, really? Yeah but we can buy all the Sudafed we want
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wait you guys arent' slamming 2 extra large monsters in the morning just to get some semblance of being awake and then needing to slam melatonin drinks in the evening to get to sleep??
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Tsaedje posted:Melatonin is only available on prescription in the UK, which sucks I've got some I ordered online though this is a couple of years ago now. I sleep like poo poo taking it because it gives me such insane dreams I wake up a ton lol Whenever I have something like exams.or job interviews I get a zopiclone prescription so I can sleep the night before and that's always great. I can see players being idiots and taking it regularly after the first great night sleep though instead of just after late matches/the night before
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Mickolution posted:A lot that article uses benzos and sleeping pills interchangeably. It does differentiate in the part about the manager, but not when speaking generally. There are effects to sleeping pills, but nothing like the blackouts described. they're also footballers so maybe one in five is actually getting this poo poo prescribed from a doctor at all, let alone a doctor who has the best interests at heart
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Minimal sleep hygiene and tapering off stimulants after lunchtime can do wonders for sleep Of course, that is not universally feasible even for us regular people because life and work and video games will get in the way, and definitely not for international footballers with late match times and frequent timezone leaps
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:they're also footballers so maybe one in five is actually getting this poo poo prescribed from a doctor at all, let alone a doctor who has the best interests at heart They’re actually all getting it from a doctor so they have a TUE when they piss hot
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Gigi Galli posted:just Genuinely think it's stupid this is considered performance enhancing
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Jose posted:I've got some I ordered online though this is a couple of years ago now. I sleep like poo poo taking it because it gives me such insane dreams I wake up a ton lol https://www.healthline.com/health/melatonin-overdose#symptoms There's a pretty narrow "This will help you sleep" to "This will loving ruin your sleep" threshold. Any booze at all and it'll keep you awake too, so avoid that. Otherwise it works well.
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Jose posted:I've got some I ordered online though this is a couple of years ago now. I sleep like poo poo taking it because it gives me such insane dreams I wake up a ton lol Having crazy dreams means you're probably taking way more than you need to. The recommended dose according to my sleep specialist is .5-1mg 
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