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Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

101 posted:

For some reason I always get Waterfox and Pale Moon mixed up

I got it mixed up with Iceweasel initially

All these fork names are kind of silly

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astral
Apr 26, 2004

And most of them have no reasonable expectation of security updates. Be careful with those.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Yea I'm cautious of updates on these alternative browsers.

Like Vivaldi didn't even finish setting up before getting a fatal bug. Iceweasel has been renamed (never a good sign), and its front page has a timestamp that's years outdated. Yikes, people.

Waterfox installed cleanly, has an updated github page, and looks like it's pulling updates from the main firefox branch, so maybe there's hope there? It also restored Unity UI functionality, something that I didn't know how much I missed and is probably a killer feature for me on Ubuntu.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
GNU IceCat was only 'renamed' if you take into account its original release in the Firefox 1.5 days, before it got renamed because Debian already had a Firefox debranding named Iceweasel. Debian just uses Firefox nowadays. IceCat isn't out of date (it's on 78.13, which is brand new) but it doesn't appear to have any binaries being built for whatever reason.

Not that I'd use it, since it's an entirely-ideological free software version and ESR switches to 91 in like a month.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

101 posted:

For some reason I always get Waterfox and Pale Moon mixed up

Coincidentally Waterfox does have a version of the browser that's basically their Pale Moon, Waterfox Classic, if anyone REALLY still needs to use XUL add-ons and blacklisted plugins

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Insurrectionist posted:

I believe it was adding these lines to userChrome.css:

Ugh, none of these are doing anything for me.

The correct file location is \AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\####.default\chrome , right?

spacebard
Jan 1, 2007

Football~

Schwarzwald posted:

Ugh, none of these are doing anything for me.

The correct file location is \AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\####.default\chrome , right?

Yeah, that seems right for windows.

Is toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets enabled in about :config?

NFX
Jun 2, 2008

Fun Shoe

Schwarzwald posted:

Ugh, none of these are doing anything for me.

The correct file location is \AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\####.default\chrome , right?

You should be able to see the exact folder by going to about :profiles. I have a "Root directory" and a "Local directory" - the local directory is in Local, while the Root directory is in Roaming. I don't know if both work, but I can see that my chrome/userChrome.css is in the Root directory (so AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\###.default\chrome\userChrome.css). And I think I read somewhere that capitalization of "userChrome.css" is important, even on Windows?

euroshopper
Aug 14, 2021
My faith in mozilla maintaining gecko throughout the next decade is extremely low rn lol

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

spacebard posted:

Yeah, that seems right for windows.

Is toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets enabled in about :config?

Yes, that's set.

NFX posted:

You should be able to see the exact folder by going to about :profiles. I have a "Root directory" and a "Local directory" - the local directory is in Local, while the Root directory is in Roaming. I don't know if both work, but I can see that my chrome/userChrome.css is in the Root directory (so AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\###.default\chrome\userChrome.css). And I think I read somewhere that capitalization of "userChrome.css" is important, even on Windows?

I did have another directory in Roaming. Copying over userChrome.css to the other folder still hasn't done anything.

I guess I can put up with it for now. If it gets too obnoxious, I might downgrade to 89 or something. :shrug:

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
The profile folder in AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ is the correct one. The one in Local is just cache type stuff, nothing important is stored there.

You have to quit firefox and open it again for it to read the userChrome file.

Also you should make sure that Windows Explorer has View -> "file name extensions" checked. Otherwise you might have made a file that's actually userChrome.css.txt because it's a text file, but the txt is hidden.



complete instructions

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
Yeap! I've got all that.

Still nothing.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

Schwarzwald posted:

Ugh, none of these are doing anything for me.

The correct file location is \AppData\Local\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\####.default\chrome , right?

I had an awful time copying my userchrome.css to windows firefox. I think (I just changed the userchrome.css to userchrome.css.bak) that the [values].default folder doesn't affect anything, and that it's actually reading from [values].default-release.

So if you have one there, try copying your chrome folder there, too.


f.e.: Actually I checked, it's the default-release one that makes everything not look like dogshit, so try putting your stuff in a chrome folder there.

f.e.2: Also yeah, Roaming, not local.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf
Go to about:support. Near the top you should see a "Profile Folder" entry. It has your full directory path for your Firefox profile. It also has a handy "Open Folder" button that opens up a Windows Explorer window right to the profile location. Now you can create your "chrome" directory and inside it create your "userChrome.css" file.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
You can always rename your entire profile folder to like JeevesFirefox.profile or something, as long as you change the text in profile.ini to match or whatever.

I backup my profile every few months because I have a lot of tweaks including a crazy old GreaseMonkey code to make the forums look better. Having it not be some randomized name helps you recognize when Firefox fucks with your folder in the future or something.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Zenostein posted:

I had an awful time copying my userchrome.css to windows firefox. I think (I just changed the userchrome.css to userchrome.css.bak) that the [values].default folder doesn't affect anything, and that it's actually reading from [values].default-release.

So if you have one there, try copying your chrome folder there, too.


f.e.: Actually I checked, it's the default-release one that makes everything not look like dogshit, so try putting your stuff in a chrome folder there.

f.e.2: Also yeah, Roaming, not local.

I don't see a [values].default-release folder? Only [values].default.

Nalin posted:

Go to about :support. Near the top you should see a "Profile Folder" entry. It has your full directory path for your Firefox profile. It also has a handy "Open Folder" button that opens up a Windows Explorer window right to the profile location. Now you can create your "chrome" directory and inside it create your "userChrome.css" file.

That just brings me to the folder I've been using.

astral
Apr 26, 2004

it's actually userChrome.css and not like userChrome.css.txt with a hidden file extension or something, right?

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
Explorer tells me that it is indeed a cascading style sheet.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Schwarzwald posted:

Explorer tells me that it is indeed a cascading style sheet.



Uh, did you paste Insurrectionist's code or mine? Insurrectionist's CSS is bad and doesn't work if you paste it directly.

code:
:root {
 --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 2px 8px !important;	/* padding fix for bookmarks */
}

menupopup > menuitem, /* padding fix for bookmarks */
menupopup > menu {
  padding-block: 2px !important;
}
That would be the fixed, directly paste-able CSS.

Klyith fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 18, 2021

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink
Motherfucker.

Thanks, y'all! That fixed things.

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003
What are these idiots doing with the Android FF? I'm using the nightly, and after updating the whole tab management is ruined. And the setting for whether to work from the top or the bottom is gone. And it's been divided into active tabs and inactive tabs. When I open the tab screen, it starts me at the bottom, where there are no active tabs. If I go up to the active tabs, the list of inactive tabs is the wrong way, e.g. oldest tabs at the top.

Is there some about:config stuff I can do to remedy this?

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

PirateBob posted:

What are these idiots doing with the Android FF? I'm using the nightly, and after updating the whole tab management is ruined. And the setting for whether to work from the top or the bottom is gone. And it's been divided into active tabs and inactive tabs. When I open the tab screen, it starts me at the bottom, where there are no active tabs. If I go up to the active tabs, the list of inactive tabs is the wrong way, e.g. oldest tabs at the top.

Is there some about :config stuff I can do to remedy this?

No, but you can use the actual release version instead of an unstable test and development version.

PirateBob
Jun 14, 2003

Ola posted:

No, but you can use the actual release version instead of an unstable test and development version.

I switched to nightly because the release version had a similar problem, I don't remember what. Guess I'll switch back...

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf
Nice! Mozilla finally got around to addressing my many months old Ideas post about increasing theming options by deleting it and telling me it is a duplicate of a much newer post asking for a built-in theming color wheel.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire

Nalin posted:

Nice! Mozilla finally got around to addressing my many months old Ideas post about increasing theming options by deleting it and telling me it is a duplicate of a much newer post asking for a built-in theming color wheel.

Being killed from within via Google assassins are the only explanation that makes sense for this sheer incompetence.

I haven't heard a single person say anything good about the UI changes.

Then again I don't personally know anyone else who even uses Firefox anymore so that above sample size is just me.

effika
Jun 19, 2005
Birds do not want you to know any more than you already do.
They added a dedicated button to see my desktop tabs on Android Mobile, so that's nice.

I had to stop using Firefox on my desktop as it started getting really buggy and slow with half the sites I use, so it's not really useful.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

On desktop, is there a setting or an extension that will preserve the default behavior of middle-clicking/three-finger tapping a link to open in a new tab, but give me an equivalently easy command (e.g., shift+that) to open a new tab that would go in the tab bar to the left of the current one? Searching gives me a lot of stuff in the ballpark but I don't see exactly this.

I am also willing to and I think probably capable of like copy/pasting the code of some existing extension and modify it to produce the desired behavior if that's the answer. And primarily want this in FF but also interested in the same for Chrome as well.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
This is what I use:




There's also a version of Tab Mix Plus still around which, although a pale shadow of what it used to be, still has some useful features.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Sep 2, 2021

Ortho
Jul 6, 2021


Most wonderful Thank you. Used Mozilla/Firefox since its inception, Netscape since it t was a paid program, but can't abide by the new changes. I've long known how to disable auto-updates, but not the nag screens.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
I think I originally swapped to Firefox Nightly in a comically elaborate scheme to get Greasemonkey scripts working on mobile but I think this tab nonsense bothers me more than whatever the gently caress I was trying with userscripts.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Another version, another dumb about :config toggle needed...

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/o7rjdl/any_way_to_remove_this_awkward_firefox_suggest/

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Even Waterfox is showing some Firefox fake email address service pop-up when I'm just trying to log into my pizza pizza account

astral
Apr 26, 2004

dustin.h posted:

Most wonderful Thank you. Used Mozilla/Firefox since its inception, Netscape since it t was a paid program, but can't abide by the new changes. I've long known how to disable auto-updates, but not the nag screens.

Please keep the program you use to access and interact with the internet up to date so it gets useful things like critical security updates.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

astral posted:

Please keep the program you use to access and interact with the internet up to date so it gets useful things like critical security updates.

People burn out on that though; lots of software has 'security updates' that have bloat piggybacked onto it (Microsoft was terrible for this a while ago, unsure about nowadays). Even stuff like some email clients don't have legacy support, devs understandably only want to maintain one rolling release.

The 'correct' thing to do is just update and accept any and all changes, but people have breaking points.

zachol
Feb 13, 2009

Once per turn, you can Tribute 1 WATER monster you control (except this card) to Special Summon 1 WATER monster from your hand. The monster Special Summoned by this effect is destroyed if "Raging Eria" is removed from your side of the field.
Like, I keep a very old version of Firefox preserved for some specific extensions, but I also only ever browse specific safe websites, and it's on a semi-disposable laptop anyway (disposable in the sense that I'd be fine wiping and reinstalling everything if I needed to). If you don't like your current everyday browser you definitely should find a different one instead of disabling updates and continuing to use it.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I was going to make a joke about Firefox letting me use picture-in-picture on sites like imgur, but it turns out the image stays on-screen even when you open a new tab.

You can even have multiple picture-in-picture* running at the same time and move and resize them.

I have no idea when I might actually use something like that**, but it's actually adding something to the user experience, is easy to use and, most importantly, they didn't take anything way from us to bring it in like they usually do.

So, you know, bravo to Mozilla for that one.



* pictures-in-picture? Picture-in-pictures? Pictures-in-pictures?

Why, hello there semantic satiation, haven't seen you for a while.



** it's porn, isn't it?

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

I wanted to use pictures-in-picture a while back. I often use PiP to watch youtubes that drag on a bit while reading something else. Then I was also watching a sports tournament with the sound off, waiting for my favourite event to begin. It would only allow one picture-in-picture then, so I had to somehow make do without it, but I'm glad to see they've enabled my unhealthy attention-destroying media habits to b..ooh a new slow my guys, I'll finish this post later.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Megillah Gorilla posted:

I was going to make a joke about Firefox letting me use picture-in-picture on sites like imgur, but it turns out the image stays on-screen even when you open a new tab.

You can even have multiple picture-in-picture* running at the same time and move and resize them.

I have no idea when I might actually use something like that**, but it's actually adding something to the user experience, is easy to use and, most importantly, they didn't take anything way from us to bring it in like they usually do.

So, you know, bravo to Mozilla for that one.



* pictures-in-picture? Picture-in-pictures? Pictures-in-pictures?

Why, hello there semantic satiation, haven't seen you for a while.



** it's porn, isn't it?
Yes, Firefox can act like a windowing manager (the thing that's built into Windows, macOS, and which there are many variants of for Unix-like systems).
You might wonder why a browser needs to act like an OS, and the only answer I have is that that's a very good question.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
So Firefox updated and my active tab no longer looks different from inactive tabs. They're all the same washed out grey color. Oh but the active tab has a single-pixel-wide slightly darker-grey ring around it so everything's fiiiiine. Seriously though it's impossible for me to tell at a glance what tab I'm actually on.

Jeeves a couple posts above nailed it. What the gently caress is going on at Mozilla and what spy/saboteur did they hire from Google to ruin the browser with these idiotic changes? Between this and the "close windows to the right" function hidden behind a secondary menu and it being the MIDDLE of three options in that menu so users don't "accidentally" close windows, and then making the bookmarks "folder" icon that annoying grey outline that takes up way too much space... they can go gently caress themselves.

Is there any hack or config change I can do to make the Firefox window title bar and inactive tabs a specific color, and my active tab a different color? If this is impossible, I'm moving back to Chrome. I don't like Chrome but at this point it's better than being on Firefox's slow slide into UI hell.

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Sep 10, 2021

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I've found messing around with themes does the trick. By which I mean, just keep trying them on until one does what you want without being too obnoxious.

I'm currently using the Axis Light Blue theme and it shows the active tab quite nicely.

I did have the Firefox Color extension for a while, but it's just themes 'Mozilla style'. Meaning you can't do all the things you want to do and there are countless arbitrary stupid limitations on what you can do.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 10, 2021

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