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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Communist Thoughts posted:

Brits care a lot more about animals than people so the alpaca is gonna bring down kier or Boris

finally jo’s time to shine

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Wilson

A little light reading for you all of that special kind of idiot this country turns out from time to time. Bloke copes with the ennui of the interwar years by trying to climb Everest. Most of his preparation consisted of prayer and fasting and a bit of walking around Snowdonia, then he bought a plane with the intention of landing it somewhere on Everest and walking the rest of the way.

I won't spoil the ending (other than to note he set off 20 years before Edmund Hillary and Tensing Norgay and there's no bits of the mountain named after him), just drink the whole thing in.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Second sentence in the article is absolutely british_psychology.txt.

Also probably proto boomers_on_facebook.txt.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


Very genuine question--what is going on at the Guardian?

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1435436397343789058

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1435363852703748099

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
Scratch a liberal, if I had to guess.

They've been poo poo for a long time.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The "circumstances following publication" are that the guardian and british press in general is terf city and their readership knows what they want to hear.

As others have noted, the guardian genuinely is the reason I think liberal is a slur and would take offence at being called it. I can think of no better example of why I find them detestable really, all the willingness to do harm of the swivel eyed right wing fundamentalists but forever couched in a cringing, simpering veneer of "reasonableness"

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Sep 9, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jakabite posted:

Labour Against the Witchhunt are afaik legitimately anti Semitic and poo poo tho tbf, and p much always have been. Sharing platforms the Holocaust deniers is not comradely or leftist behaviour. (Not saying your friends were in them JA, just saying that there is a decent reason to be going after some people, despite the whole thing being enormously overblown). Will try go into more detail on that tomorrow if anyone wants.

Yeah I'd be interested. Being genuinely honest the naked cynicism with which AS allegations were weaponised against the left of the party has made me instinctively roll my eyes whenever I hear them against anyone in labour now, which is obviously not a good thing if people are saying genuinely racist stuff.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



It's British liberal press, of course it's overflowing with TERF apologia. The only mystery is how this article got past the editors originally

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


OwlFancier posted:

The "circumstances following publication" are that the guardian and british press in general is terf city and their readership knows what they want to hear.

As others have noted, the guardian genuinely is the reason I think liberal is a slur and would take offence at being called it. I can think of no better example of why I find them detestable really, all the willingness to do harm of the swivel eyed right wing fundamentalists but forever couched in a cringing, simpering veneer of "reasonableness"

It goes all the way back to Burke at least, really - the monarchy is bad but any attempts at getting rid of it are even worse and against the natural order of things and all that.

It's always been the paradox of liberalism.

e: On a semi-related note it's hilarious how people get all pearl clutchy about Thomas Paine being persecuted for his views in France, all the while forgetting that their beloved liberal Britain sentenced him to death by hanging for writing the "rights of man" and never rescinded it.

The French never even executed him despite him being actively involved in politics there; and, even if they did, we shouldn't forget the horrid guillotine was actually the humane alternative to hanging and other executions, such as he was sentenced to in Britain for writing a popular book.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Sep 9, 2021

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

https://twitter.com/GabbyBellot/status/1435385097163784193?t=GaxTfNvNsm4tDb_MdS_GDg&s=19
This has the feel of a junior or online editor almost managing to organise something before the terfs noticed, but once they did they threatened to throw their toys out the pram if the seniors don't kill it.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



I’ve been sitting in A&E since 1930 last night to get antibiotics for a bite on my arm that’s starting to trace up my arm. All the nurses agree it needs antibiotics but I have to see a doctor to prescribe them. And I’ve been next in line to see one since 0030.

Our health system isn’t broken at all.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008


:ironicat:

In case you don't get it, that's Emma Raducanu, who moved to the UK aged 2 with her parents, who the Express are (rightly) featuring on the front page, alongside the usual anti-immigration bullshit


Also, how does one 'steer' a boat that's being piloted by someone else, other than ramming it and hoping it changes direction?

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



The Guardian hosed it up with this because their adjustment just brought MASSIVE attention to the whole deal and their apparent cancellation of a whole series on gender stuff. If they had cut the big pro-trans part out before they published nobody would have known, and if Butler said anything it would have become just another thing trans people bring up to get ignored by terves. As it is they seem to have Streisanded themselves pretty effectively, even if the end result is likely going to be the same.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

https://twitter.com/GabbyBellot/status/1435385097163784193?t=GaxTfNvNsm4tDb_MdS_GDg&s=19
This has the feel of a junior or online editor almost managing to organise something before the terfs noticed, but once they did they threatened to throw their toys out the pram if the seniors don't kill it.

That's probably my best guess as well, someone managed to get it through but once it was spotted howls of rage reached the upper echelons, who stepped in. Alternatively someone who doesn't really have a dog in the fight let it through because, well, if you do a big interview you should probably not cut big chunks out without a good reason, and they are now surprised to have caught holy hell because they didn't even realize the terves would care much.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
That's some quality shade:

https://twitter.com/RuairiWood/status/1435559036171194369

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Tbf gender nowadays really is a blank page

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Failed Imagineer posted:

Tbf gender nowadays really is a blank page

It all goes back to Thatcher and section 28. Now you got the dreadful tory oldcunts who “don’t talk about these things” which gives them the excuse to go on hating everything “abnormal” in their heads, and every generation that followed them just not even remotely educated on gender issues who have been trained from childhood to pretend that anything to do with the LGBT+ community does not exist.

And these terf fuckers have the balls to screech about being censored?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


It's interesting because I had noticed a definite shift in the Guardian's coverage to being more sympathetic towards trans issues recently - seemed like they were finally realising they were on the wrong side of this. Maybe that was the US office pushing this and then this Judith Butler interview was just Too Much for the freaks in the UK office.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Also, good news!

https://twitter.com/meadwaj/status/1435873152589041669

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Unless that eion has the inside scoop the series being cancelled may be speculation, mind you that other writer having her piece put in hold seems to suggest it's true

But I wouldn't be surprised if the graun just slinks out with the rest of the stuff to pretend this didn't happen
That's what I'd do if I wasn't an insane terf paper so... Oh

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Apparently there was a letter writing campaign that managed to misgender both the interviewer and Prof. Butler and somehow claim that Butler is 'anti-woman' and 'anti-gay' which is up there with "known antisemite Norman Finkelstein".

https://twitter.com/tristangrayedi/status/1435360121236901888


:bisonyes:

I paean free enterprise and low taxes.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Lmao

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1435902586142474243?s=21

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

quote:

The NHS will have become the state, and the state will have become the NHS: Clement Attlee’s socialist government couldn’t have imagined just how powerful its Left-wing choice of a health funding and delivery mechanism would turn out to be at destroying conservatism and capitalism. [...]In time, Labour will promise to lower the £86,000 cap; eventually, it will be zero, and all care homes will be nationalised.

*in 2041, jeremy corbyn points at the nursing home he's being wheeled into* Nationalised

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.



Step 1. Smash the Left
Step 2. Wait 12 years
Step 3. Tonty Blair

It's foolproof!

SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



Communist Thoughts posted:

Brits care a lot more about animals than people so the alpaca is gonna bring down kier or Boris

Has Corbyn made his feelings on Geronimo known yet?

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe


I always enjoy the way the Telegraph's paywall puts a font fade and ellipsis at the end of the teaser, because it's always at about the point my attention drifts away and it emphasises how it's just another unhinged reactionary rant like the ones from your uncle who spends too much time on Facebook that you try and tune out at family gatherings.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

It's amazing that a man can have a cult of no personality.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

BalloonFish posted:


I always enjoy the way the Telegraph's paywall puts a font fade and ellipsis at the end of the teaser, because it's always at about the point my attention drifts away and it emphasises how it's just another unhinged reactionary rant like the ones from your uncle who spends too much time on Facebook that you try and tune out at family gatherings.

I assume if you're in the market for that sort of thing, the effect is more like a picture of a big buff dude with his pants half down.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I can see the arse at the top :hmmyes:

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

*in 2041, jeremy corbyn points at the nursing home he's being wheeled into* Nationalised

I bet he is still going at that point.

I'd love to see a before/after physiological stress comparison between Corbyn and Stamper for their respective periods as leader.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
Also, I know it's the modern Torygraph and all, but the mood whiplash is incredible. 18 months ago the GE result meant that the stalwart yeomen of Britain had decisively, overwhelmingly, finally rejected all forms of left-wing politics and thought forever and we were going to be a sceptred isle of free enterprise, property rights and common sense for ever more.

Now there's been a 1.25% tax rise and suddenly we've become a Soviet republic and the NHS is destroying capitalism...[I can barely type that with a straight face, although it's yet another entry in the "right-wingers making reality sound much more awesome than it actually is" list]

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

BalloonFish posted:

Also, I know it's the modern Torygraph and all, but the mood whiplash is incredible. 18 months ago the GE result meant that the stalwart yeomen of Britain had decisively, overwhelmingly, finally rejected all forms of left-wing politics and thought forever and we were going to be a sceptred isle of free enterprise, property rights and common sense for ever more.

Now there's been a 1.25% tax rise and suddenly we've become a Soviet republic and the NHS is destroying capitalism...[I can barely type that with a straight face, although it's yet another entry in the "right-wingers making reality sound much more awesome than it actually is" list]

I mean it's a 10% tax rise on National Insurance. All so that private companies can get more money from the NHS. Still, gotta keep up kayfabe.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


BalloonFish posted:


I always enjoy the way the Telegraph's paywall puts a font fade and ellipsis at the end of the teaser, because it's always at about the point my attention drifts away and it emphasises how it's just another unhinged reactionary rant like the ones from your uncle who spends too much time on Facebook that you try and tune out at family gatherings.

Here's the full text, if you're interested. It's pretty bonkers - he mainly appears to be extremely upset that the government isn't doing the common-sense reforms of turning the NHS into a US-style insurance system, like that would just be a no-brainer.

quote:

Shame on Boris Johnson, and shame on the Conservative Party. They have disgraced themselves, lied to their voters, repudiated their principles and treated millions of their supporters with utter contempt. And for what?

To momentarily wrong-foot Sir Keir Starmer? To steal Labour’s clothes, not for a greater purpose but because it’s easier than actually devising their own conservative policies to improve Britain? To pat themselves on the back, and boast of how brilliant they are at the Machiavellian, unprincipled game of Blair or Osborne-style triangulation politics? To further convince the electorate that every politician is only in it for themselves, for their ministerial cars, for the pathetic pretend power? Is this why all those Cabinet ministers joined the Tory party, and penned all those paeans to free enterprise and low taxes? To be complicit in the moral destruction of the Conservative Party?

This is a seminal moment in British politics, one that could turn out to be as toxic, as poisonous and as destructive as the ERM crisis, the Iraq dossier or the bank bailouts. The damage wreaked by the Government’s juvenile approach to policymaking will be immense and long-lasting, even if it doesn’t immediately register in opinion polls. Promising not to raise or to cut taxes was always the one weapon Labour couldn’t match, the most powerful way to remind voters that the socialists would steal their money; now any such pledge would remind voters that the Tories are utterly untrustworthy.

The scale of Johnson’s shift to the Left is staggering: his tax increases combined are the largest in half a century. The Treasury’s claim that it is hiking National Insurance by 1.25 percentage points is sub-Brownite spin: the tax rate on labour income has actually jumped by 2.5 percentage points. Combined with frozen income and other tax thresholds and the raid on corporation tax, total tax rises will be worth 1.6 per cent of GDP. The tax burden will hit its “highest-ever sustained level”, the Institute for Fiscal Studies calculates.

The NHS will have become the state, and the state will have become the NHS: Clement Attlee’s socialist government couldn’t have imagined just how powerful its Left-wing choice of a health funding and delivery mechanism would turn out to be at destroying conservatism and capitalism. In 2004-05, the NHS and social care accounted for 28 per cent of current public spending; by 2024-25, this will have reached 40 per cent, according to the Resolution Foundation. How long will it take to hit over 50 per cent?

The ratchet is out of control, guaranteeing the gradual socialisation of British society and the need for ever higher taxes. Just when the Left thought they had lost, their assumptions shattered by Brexit, their triumph is about to be near total.

The Tories’ have only themselves to blame: why did they never reform the funding and structure of the NHS? Why are they perverting the noble concept of private property by turning it into a taxpayer-guaranteed entitlement? Why are they nodding through Johnson’s decision to pick an absurd, statist plan for social care rather than a more insurance-based option?

Placeholder image for youtube video: KiTC0HRqCwU
In time, Labour will promise to lower the £86,000 cap; eventually, it will be zero, and all care homes will be nationalised. The Tories have learnt nothing from previous extensions of the welfare state in 1906-15 and 1948: a conservative approach is to build on the private sector, to fill in the gaps, to supplement private initiative – not supplant it, which is the way social care will now also eventually go.

In the shorter-term, Johnson’s extra spending will fail to tackle the NHS backlog. The pressure will be on to raise the levy again, but the unfairness of hammering younger generations priced out of the housing market will make calls for even more destructive taxes, this time on capital, hard to resist. Never forget that the Government was considering imposing a wealth or mansion tax shortly after it was elected. What fresh hell will Britain’s beleaguered Tory voters face next?

The present tax rises are a choice, not a necessity. The ongoing additional spending caused by the pandemic could have been met by cutting expenditure in other areas, and the one-off costs of Covid added to national debt. The coronavirus is an excuse for Johnson’s strange urge to adopt full-fat social democracy, although it is likely that the enthusiasm with which so many embraced lockdown encouraged his Government’s collectivist bent.

The National Insurance increase is not merely an unforgivable manifesto broken promise: it symbolises the party’s repudiation of the conservative and classical liberal world view, its rejection of Burke, Locke, Hayek, Friedman and Oakeshott. This Government is no longer Thatcherite, or even conservative: it is Blue Labour. It combines Left-wing economics – more tax and spending on a welfare state in hock to the producer class, ever more regulations, green central planning – with support for Brexit, patriotism and the Armed Forces. It tries (but fails) to be tough on crime, illegal immigration and the woke onslaught.

Old Labour would have loved this combination, but it is not conservatism. Ever since the rise of socialism in the 19th century, and especially during the past 40 years, conservatives have argued that a smaller state, lower taxes, and a greater reliance on markets, civil society and individual responsibility represent a philosophically and economically superior form of social organisation. Lower taxes and lower spending boosts GDP growth, they explained; personal responsibility encourages virtuous behaviour such as saving and hard work. High social costs kill jobs, they wrote: just look at France. Big increases in spending just trigger massive waste and inflation, they argued: remember Gordon Brown?

An entire intellectual tradition now lies trashed by a Conservative Party which has, for the sake of convenience, unthinkingly swallowed its opponents’ ideology. Either the Tories believe that tax rates no longer impact the economy, or they couldn’t care less, and are embracing a low-growth, stagnant future. For decades, Tories boasted about how better the UK model was than that of the Eurozone; today, they are adopting it out of laziness, despite having fought so hard to leave the EU. Reaganomics is dead in Britain: there are now two Labour parties at one on economics, but divided on culture. How bitterly, heartbreakingly disappointing.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think I am getting radiation poisoning from the intensity of the piss-fission, pission, that is happening in that author's bladder.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

As long as I live I will never be able to empathise with the position of people who were fine with Boris cheating on a wife with cancer, the ppe corruption, (allegedly) cheating on his pregnant partner, the incompetence, the needless covid deaths and the utter destruction of any scrap of trust Britain had on the international stage; but he talks about raising taxes by 1.25 percentage points and that is the thing that gets them howling for blood.

E:

Oh my god, 'I am a committed left-winger' I am so loving sick of these cunts just throwing around terms they don't remotely understand. loving google "left wing vs right wing," google even puts up a little boxout summarising it for what's left of their lead poisoned brains:



You cannot look at that, see equality, rights and progress on the left, see duty tradition and reaction on the right, and still call yourself left wing while denying trans rights.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Sep 9, 2021

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Bobby Deluxe posted:

As long as I live I will never be able to empathise with the position of people who were fine with Boris cheating on a wife with cancer, the ppe corruption, (allegedly) cheating on his pregnant partner, the incompetence, the needless covid deaths and the utter destruction of any scrap of trust Britain had on the international stage; but he talks about raising taxes by 1.25 percentage points and that is the thing that gets them howling for blood.

Because none of the other stuff affects them (at least, not directly)

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

luv racism, ate taxes, simple as

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It effects THEM

Gotta remember that the new torygraph readership are Tommy Robinson’s lot and that’s a demographic filled with people in the building trade already pissed off that cash in hand got too hard and that they have to pay NI at all.

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish
https://twitter.com/StabbinsMcGee/status/1435388320066928641

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Oh my god, 'I am a committed left-winger' I am so loving sick of these cunts just throwing around terms they don't remotely understand.
Reminds me of when some of the more out there reactionary Catholics were calling Pope Francis 'a socialist Marxist anti-Catholic' like mate you just called the Pope anti-Catholic, sit down before you break semiotics.

luv making words mean whatever I want them to, ate postmodernism, simple as

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