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I like to think John was just being cautious, instinctively picked up on the phony accent and used the unloaded gun as a simple litmus test. I never gave it too much thought beyond that. The scene works as is and the watch idea is loving stupid. To contribute: In Godfather 2, Danny Aiello says "Michael Corleone says hello" when he garrots Pantangeli. Danny supposedly ad libbed the line even though it makes no sense in the context of the scene and Coppola just left in for some reason. The line couldn't be to make Frank think that Michael was behind the hit because a) he wasn't and also because b) Frank was supposed to end up dead anyway plus c) everyone else there was already in on the hit/setup. So for whose benefit was this line delivered? Confused the gently caress out of me for years. Kinda still does, especially since in the context of the movie it backfires spectacularly because Pantangeli lives and then turns State's evidence thinking that Michael was trying to kill him.
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Pilchenstein posted:He is a policeman, there are rules for policemen. Cinematic police have different rules. Mostly about never looking towards explosions (that they are completely and righteously justified in causing, drat the Captain's wrath).
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Sep 9, 2021 17:54
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ynohtna posted:Cinematic police have different rules. 
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Sep 9, 2021 17:56
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That just reminds me of the intro of Demolition Man, a movie in which the protagonist tries on the weird 90s rapey romance and it backfires on him and gets him kicked out of the love interest's apartment. Also the intro is great worldbuilding - not only is the exchange Reporter: "How do you justify destroying a 15 million dollar minimall to rescue a girl who's ransom was only $2000?" Child: "gently caress you lady!" Spartan: "Well said" funny as hell, it's also getting across just how savage the 90s as portrayed in the movie are - even the children swear like sailors.
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BiggerBoat posted:In Godfather 2, Danny Aiello says "Michael Corleone says hello" when he garrots Pantangeli. Danny supposedly ad libbed the line even though it makes no sense in the context of the scene and Coppola just left in for some reason. The line couldn't be to make Frank think that Michael was behind the hit because a) he wasn't and also because b) Frank was supposed to end up dead anyway plus c) everyone else there was already in on the hit/setup. So for whose benefit was this line delivered? Theory is that Roth staged the hit, to make Frank *think* Michael was going to kill him and decide that his best chance for survival was the Senate committee, but I don't think that the whole cop-walks-in-during-the-murder thing was planned at all so that theory doesn't make much sense either.
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Sep 9, 2021 20:24
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Every hitman plans from the start for the chance that the target survives, that's why they always say a badass one-liner. If they live to talk about it you'll look really cool
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Sep 9, 2021 20:42
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BioEnchanted posted:That just reminds me of the intro of Demolition Man, a movie in which the protagonist tries on the weird 90s rapey romance and it backfires on him and gets him kicked out of the love interest's apartment. What I never liked about Demolition Man was everyone in the future acts like John Spartan/the 90's were SO LONG ago and everyone was a violent sex monster. Yet...the captain of the precinct was probably born in the 80's or early 90's...we SEE Spartan's former partner working a desk job, so it's not like a good portion of these people have no experience with actual violence or weapons. It really should have been set more like 100 years in the future, not 50ish.
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Sep 9, 2021 21:23
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DrBouvenstein posted:What I never liked about Demolition Man was everyone in the future acts like John Spartan/the 90's were SO LONG ago and everyone was a violent sex monster. To be fair... we kind of treat the 90s like that now :P
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Sep 9, 2021 21:29
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You gotta remember what the nineties were like. We were on the cusp of the new millennium, amazing new technology and ideas were being invented every day, and everybody was pretty sure we'd have sexism and racism and war and poverty beaten for good any day now That enthusiasm died suddenly exactly twenty years ago this Saturday
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BioEnchanted posted:To be fair... we kind of treat the 90s like that now :P The 90s was only a couple years ago until its funny to be horrified about how long its been since the 90s gently caress, this must be how boomers felt about the 60s
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Sep 10, 2021 00:21
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As someone from Oklahoma City let me just say that the 90s were not universally a time of unbridled optimism and rosy futures. I think the fact that most goons are 40ish and thus in their teens in the 90s definitely colors that time as much as any actual facts about the era.
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Sep 10, 2021 00:27
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It is a strange duality, on the one hand I remember plenty of cynicism about all the big millenium boondoggles they started building, but on the other hand they were building them. I think there was a lot of manufactured optimism at the top and that is what really ate poo poo immediately afterwards.
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Sep 10, 2021 00:35
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We are closer to 2050 than 1990
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Phanatic posted:Theory is that Roth staged the hit, to make Frank *think* Michael was going to kill him and decide that his best chance for survival was the Senate committee, but I don't think that the whole cop-walks-in-during-the-murder thing was planned at all so that theory doesn't make much sense either.
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Sep 10, 2021 03:41
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I just know the whole "I have a message from ____" phrasing from an assassin is literally as old as the Bible. Just ask King Eglon of Moab. Oh wait, you can't, because Ehud got to him first.
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Sep 10, 2021 03:50
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DrBouvenstein posted:What I never liked about Demolition Man was everyone in the future acts like John Spartan/the 90's were SO LONG ago and everyone was a violent sex monster. Make a person who is like 18 watch Friends or some poo poo and see what they think of it. I feel like it tracks. The only reason we're not as dystopian as Demolition Man is that we haven't figured out cryogenics or hypnotic brain imprinting. Or the three seashells.
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Sep 10, 2021 04:27
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DrBouvenstein posted:What I never liked about Demolition Man was everyone in the future acts like John Spartan/the 90's were SO LONG ago and everyone was a violent sex monster. Demolition Man was set in 2032, with the first half set in 1996. That's just 36 years. I'd always thought it had been 70 years or something that he'd been frozen - until the last time this discussion came up. Was a bit of a shock. But it does make sense in that their utopia hasn't existed so long that you can't still have people like Denis Leary around causing trouble and Spartan's old partner as a touchstone for him to see just how much things have changed from someone who lived through it. But then they totally ignore the old cop and have Sandra Bullock do all the exposition. So he's kinda meaningless as a character after all. Oh, but there was that speech from Nigel Hawthorne about how bad the post-earthquake US was, so he had to have been around for that. But that makes me wonder whether this utopia is world-wide, US-wide or only covers San Angeles. Because a single city utopia surrounded by 'normal' cities makes no sense.
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Sep 10, 2021 05:48
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It does if your utopia runs on the backs of an exploited underclass that you push out to the margins so their meager shacks won't spoil the skyline
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Sep 10, 2021 05:52
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So, is there ever a movie in which someone is shot and killed with a silenced gun but they scream really loud? Like in movies people can be shout with loud guns and make loud screams, but when anyone gets capped with a silenced pistol they usually just grunt or die silently. Same thing with knives - getting stabbed to death has been movie/videogame logicked into being a Silent Kill but I've worked on a farm and butchered animals and those poor bastards can get mighty loud even with a cut throat. Just once I'd like to see a movie with Super Stealthy Silent Operators who expertly chuck a throwing knife into a guy's chest and have him just start screaming bloody murder. EDIT: In a similar topic: Is there any medieval/fantasy movie in which armor actually matters? Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, whatever, they like to make a big deal about how armor is important but in any given battle scene it is entirely irrelevant and arrows will penetrate it just as well. Like, in The Two Towers they make a big speech about 'weakpoints' on Uruk Hai armor but then they die just as well to flimsy arrows penetrating their plate. Same in Game of Thrones, where I remember a scene of some guy wearing a shield on his back getting stabbed right through the shield, then his back armor, and then the sword blade penetrates right out the front of his breastplate too. I also like how no one wears helmets. Obviously this is because they pay big money for actors and want their faces on the screen. But whenever you look at actual historical images, it seems like if you only can afford one piece of armor then it's gonna be a helmet long before you get a breastplate or chainmail or something. Which, obviously makes sense, but movies always ignore it. I think the only proper time to wear a helmet is so it can be dramatically opened/torn off to reveal that GASP IT IS A WOMAN Mr. Grapes! has a new favorite as of 06:21 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 06:15
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I want to see a movie where the silenced guns actually sound like silenced guns. They’re still loud. Even the quietest ones like a Welrod are still like “slamming door” loud.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I want to see a movie where the silenced guns actually sound like silenced guns. They’re still loud. Even the quietest ones like a Welrod are still like “slamming door” loud. The one time I got to shoot a suppressed .22lr pistol with subsonic ammo it was shockingly "not-loud." Like I could have my ear pro off & it was definitey hearing safe. Still not "whisper-quiet" but yeah a "slamming door" level noise seems right. If anything, the end of Casino where Andy getting whacked is somewhat believable as you'd want to be pretty close to put .22lr to the back of a person's head & cause catastrophic damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhrnuPlVq4U Also reminds me, of all movies… Assassins. Both Rath & Bain use internally suppressed Ruger Mk II's, which paired with subsonic ammo would be an ideal weapon if you have the skill to get close enough & put rounds in critical areas. Lucky for them nobody's wearing very heavy clothes or any form of body armor either… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MaOE8YiJy8 A little exaggerated for sure (especially the bullet holes they're leaving) but not too much. I mean, when you get things like this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrrpjsAKp7k …Assassins looks like a documentary.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:EDIT: In a similar topic: Is there any medieval/fantasy movie in which armor actually matters? Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings, whatever, they like to make a big deal about how armor is important but in any given battle scene it is entirely irrelevant and arrows will penetrate it just as well. Like, in The Two Towers they make a big speech about 'weakpoints' on Uruk Hai armor but then they die just as well to flimsy arrows penetrating their plate. Same in Game of Thrones, where I remember a scene of some guy wearing a shield on his back getting stabbed right through the shield, then his back armor, and then the sword blade penetrates right out the front of his breastplate too. The classic example of course being Stormtroopers in Star Wars, whose armor is, as far as I'm aware, not shown to jack diddly poo poo once in 11 loving movies and almost as many TV series. Things Stormtrooper armor demonstrably does not protect from: - Explosions - Blaster Rifles - Blaster Pistols (not even small civilian "holdout" pistols) - Lightsabers - Stun batons - Wookie punches - Droid punches - Vehicle crashes - Blunt melee weapons such as staves - Rocks thrown by ewoks - Wooden spears wielded by ewoks - Human punches Seriously, what the gently caress are they good for.
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Sep 10, 2021 06:48
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Imagined posted:Seriously, what the gently caress are they good for. Intimidation.
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I might be mis-remembering but on Endor doesn't Han Solo throw a Scout Trooper over his shoulder, who then doesn't get up? Like, Stormtrooper armour might be actively detrimental to their health if all it takes is a judo throw to take them out.
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Sep 10, 2021 06:54
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Imagined posted:Seriously, what the gently caress are they good for. Graft and kickbacks.
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Keromaru5 posted:I just know the whole "I have a message from ____" phrasing from an assassin is literally as old as the Bible. Just ask King Eglon of Moab. Oh wait, you can't, because Ehud got to him first. Tony Lazuto says hello.
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Sep 10, 2021 07:21
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Imagined posted:
Avoiding lawsuits.
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Android Apocalypse posted:The one time I got to shoot a suppressed .22lr pistol with subsonic ammo it was shockingly "not-loud." Like I could have my ear pro off & it was definitey hearing safe. Still not "whisper-quiet" but yeah a "slamming door" level noise seems right. Yeah, and subsonic .22 is a very small amount of powder. I saw something about a shotgun suppressor that took it from 160 dB to 150 dB. On the one hand, that’s about half as loud. On the other hand, 150 dB is still loving loud, like “jet taking off” level loud.
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I always wondered about the loudness of the bullet from a suppressed gun hitting a wall. Like a really fast chunk of metal hitting the side of a container's gotta be pretty loud, right? Though you might not recognise it as an "I'm being shot at!" noise, I guess. Do modern military or armed police units make much use of silencers?
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Sep 10, 2021 10:52
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Special forces use suppressors pretty regularly in their work, but finding testimonials of how well they perform will be difficult.
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Memento posted:Special forces use suppressors pretty regularly in their work, but finding testimonials of how well they perform will be difficult. There’s an enormous amount of youtube comparing suppressed and unsuppressed weapons, although probably not of the quality used by special forces. I’ve heard tall tales suggesting you can suppress weapons enough that the action cycling is louder than the report.
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Torquemada posted:There’s an enormous amount of youtube comparing suppressed and unsuppressed weapons, although probably not of the quality used by special forces. I’ve heard tall tales suggesting you can suppress weapons enough that the action cycling is louder than the report. Oh that's a hundred percent true. There's videos out there of people using the Beretta 9mm pistols that have locks on them so that they don't cycle automatically between shots, to further reduce sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPsf_wDbmU&t=690s Even with the kit as supplied to the USAF the report of the pistol is quite loud. The suppressor used is a wipe-style suppressor that has its absolute best sound reduction with the first shot, and it's still fairly loud.
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Phanatic posted:Theory is that Roth staged the hit, to make Frank *think* Michael was going to kill him and decide that his best chance for survival was the Senate committee, but I don't think that the whole cop-walks-in-during-the-murder thing was planned at all so that theory doesn't make much sense either. Remulak posted:It’s not a theory, it’s flat-out text. The cop interrupts right on schedule and everybody gets away. It was Roth all along. Maybe I'm dense but this still doesn't track for me. If all the men are in on it and Frank is going to be dead anyhow than what difference does that make? And why invoke Michael's name? Help a dumb goon out here. Thanks EDIT: Also, why does Hulk need to wear glasses? I don't recall Banner wearing them but even if he did wouldn't Hulk's eyes get stronger anyway like Tobey Maguire in Spiderman? BiggerBoat has a new favorite as of 13:04 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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Sep 10, 2021 12:51
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Hulk and Beast wear glasses to look smart.
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Memento posted:I might be mis-remembering but on Endor doesn't Han Solo throw a Scout Trooper over his shoulder, who then doesn't get up? Like, Stormtrooper armour might be actively detrimental to their health if all it takes is a judo throw to take them out. Are blasters supposed to be plasma/something solid? I always thought something used to diffuse a laser would not necessarily protect you against blunt force trauma, but then again it's clear that ST armor doesn't work against blaster either.
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Sep 10, 2021 13:29
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Mr. Grapes! posted:
GoT had a couple of scenes. One where Khalesie's henchman pins an unarmoured Dothraki's sword between his armoured arm and torso so he can't move it. Another when Aria tries to kill the Hound but can't stab through his armour. The mithril armour in LotR. Any armour that's foreshadowed as special will probably do something. Armour and getting around it was a subplot of A Knights Tale
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The transformation warps Hulk's cornea and makes him very nearsighted. That's part of the reason he goes on unstoppable rampages, he genuinely can't tell which moving blur is friend or foe That's also why it takes a character getting close enough to touch his face for him to calm down
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Just rewatched True Detective S1 and there is a "checkov secret technique" or should I say, there isn't one. Rust is shown multiple times grabbing people's wrists in a specific way when they are having a confrontation - once when Marty grabs him by his collar, once again when they are fighting outside the precint; another time when they are trying to get informations from 2 criminals, Rusty gets back inside and the last thing we see is him putting one of the criminals in a hold, grabbing him by the hand the same way, then coming back a bit later with the info. In the first occasion, they have Rust mention how if Marty doesn't let him go "he could lose his hands" by application of "a few pounds of pressure in the right spot"; this is after Rust has grabbed Marty's hands in a specific way. The second time, it looks like Rust is trying to somehow stop Marty from attacking him, but after being punched a few times, he grabs Marty's wrist the same way - then the fight is immediately stopped by the rest of the department. In the last episode, we even have a reminder of Rust's mysterious secret technique when Marty asks him "back then, were you holding back?" And Rust gives a non-commital-commital answer. Later in the same episode, they have a big fight with Childress. Rust's secret technique has no part in it. That Italian Guy has a new favorite as of 14:53 on Sep 10, 2021 |
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That Italian Guy posted:Are blasters supposed to be plasma/something solid? I always thought something used to diffuse a laser would not necessarily protect you against blunt force trauma, but then again it's clear that ST armor doesn't work against blaster either.  Blasters are basically particle beam cannons that fire bolts of energy made by superheating gas in the chamber. So the damage ends up being a mix of kinetic— which is why people go flying when they get hit— and heat which is why things sometimes get melty/there’s sparks and poo poo. The light beam is just a byproduct of the bolt, like the muzzle flash of a gun. Stormtrooper armor is just intimidating, effectively useless paper mache. In the offshoot stuff there’s plenty of examples of armor that actually does its job.
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Bussamove posted:Stormtrooper armor is just intimidating, effectively useless paper mache. In the offshoot stuff there’s plenty of examples of armor that actually does its job. In one of Star Wars cartoons, Rebels, I think, a clone states outright that only the first generation stormtrooper armour is any good. Of course, they were a first generation clone, so they might be biased.
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